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So, without bothering to search or do the research myself... how do you guys do this? I'm picturing someone doing a CSI-esque cotton swabbing during an oil change, carefully placing the swab in a tiny plastic ziploc bag, and mailing it off to some lab somewhere in northern Montana. And how much do you pay for the report or whatever?
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Originally Posted by Zeya View Post
So, without bothering to search or do the research myself... how do you guys do this? I'm picturing someone doing a CSI-esque cotton swabbing during an oil change, carefully placing the swab in a tiny plastic ziploc bag, and mailing it off to some lab somewhere in northern Montana. And how much do you pay for the report or whatever?
I use Blackstone Labs. The basic cost is $22.50, but I pay $10 more and also get a TBN, which measures how much active additives are left in the oil. On my other cars I simply collect my sample from the oil as it is draining. The MS3 gets free oil changes at the dealer as long as I own it, so I bought a $30 sample pump from Blackstone that allows me to collect oil from the sump prior to the oil change.
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Anyone got the UOA on RP? I guess ill order the Sump pump from blackstone.
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Anyone got the UOA on RP? I guess ill order the Sump pump from blackstone.
I searched over at BITOG and couldn't find any RP UOAs for the MS3, MS6, or CX-7, sorry.

The pump is pretty trick; it's designed so that the oil is pumped directly into the sample bottle and the pump itself never touches the oil. The .25" plastic icemaker tubing the pump uses is so cheap-seven cents per foot-that it's not worth cleaning and re-using the tubing.
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I ordered a sample kit and a pump today. So im going to send them in my oil.
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Here's my analysis from a few weeks ago. Taken at 11,000 miles, 4,000 on the oil. I used 5w30 Pennzoil Platinum, and it seems to be doing a great job. I'm gonna extend the interval out a bit to 5,000 this time and then do another analysis to see if the oil can hold up that long.
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Here's my analysis from a few weeks ago. Taken at 11,000 miles, 4,000 on the oil. I used 5w30 Pennzoil Platinum, and it seems to be doing a great job. I'm gonna extend the interval out a bit to 5,000 this time and then do another analysis to see if the oil can hold up that long.
Thanks for sharing. I plan to use 10W30 PP at my next change. It will be my first non-Mobil 1 oil change in about 20 years. I will provide a UOA from my current batch of 5W30 Mobil 1.
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Here's my analysis from a few weeks ago. Taken at 11,000 miles, 4,000 on the oil. I used 5w30 Pennzoil Platinum, and it seems to be doing a great job. I'm gonna extend the interval out a bit to 5,000 this time and then do another analysis to see if the oil can hold up that long.
Those are excellent wear numbers, but I'm surprised that the PP 5W-30 sheared down more in 4,000 miles than the M1 5W-30(in my UOA) did in 4,632. We both had low amounts of fuel in our sample.
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Im reading a lot about shear down.

Just some thing to think about.

The old Mazda 3 manual specd. 5W 20 for turbo and non turbo.
Mazda then changed it to 5W 30 for the turbo and 5W 20 for non turbo.

Begin speculation:
Maybe, just maybe, this was because of sheardown.
The 5W 20 was shearing down to an oil below design spec 5W 10, so Mazda upped the turbo spec to 5W 30 so it would shear down to the correct design spec of 5W 20 during use?

Personally I wouldnt get all wrapped up in it, use the 5W 30 and let it sheardown to 5W 20....... maybe that is what it is supposed to do!??
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Here is the latest UOA on my MS3 as well as the two prior tests. I think that the Mobil 1 5W-30 holds up pretty well- in my case, anyway. The weekend before this latest oil change I spent three days at Putnam Road Course, where @1.5 hours per day were spent lapping the 1.766 mile track. Engine speed remained between 3000-6000 rpm throughout each 30 minute session. Ambient temps ranged from 70F-90F. From the soot on the tailpipe and rear fascia-the MS3 looked like a diesel-I did not expect such good results.


Engine 2.3L Turbo, direct injection

Miles on engine 19955
Miles on oil 5182
Date sampled 7/10/08
Make Up Oil 0.5 qt.
OEM Mazda Filter
Mobil 1 5W-30

Aluminum 3
Chromium 1
Iron 34
Copper 11
Lead 2
Tin 0
Moly 92
Nickel 0
Manganese 1
Silver 0
Ti 0
Potassium 1
Boron 50
Silicon 12
Sodium 14
Calcium 2683
Magnesium 17
Phosphorus 698
Zinc 863
Barium 0

Sus Visc @ 210F 55.8 should be 55-62
cST Visc @ 100 C 9.01 should be 8.8-11.1
Flashpoint in F 390 should be >365
Fuel % <0.5 should be <2.0
Antifreeze 0.0
Water % 0.0 should be <0.1
Insolubles % 0.3 should be <0.6
TBN 3.2

Prior Results:

Miles on engine 14630
Miles on oil 4632
Date sampled 04/08/08
Make Up Oil 0
OEM Mazda Filter
Mobil 1 5W-30

Aluminum 4
Chromium 1
Iron 34
Copper 29
Lead 1
Tin 0
Moly 91
Nickel 0
Manganese 1
Silver 0
Ti 0
Potassium 2
Boron 53
Silicon 11
Sodium 9
Calcium 2400
Magnesium 12
Phosphorus 635
Zinc 787
Barium 1

Sus Visc @ 210F 55.2 should be 55-62
cST Visc @ 100 C 8.83 should be 8.8-11.1
Flashpoint in F 390 should be >365
Fuel % <0.5 should be <2.0
Antifreeze 0.0
Water % 0.0 should be <0.1
Insolubles % 0.3 should be <0.6
TBN 3.0


Miles on engine 9838
Miles on oil 5046
Date sampled 12/31/07
Make Up Oil 0
OEM Mazda Filter
Mobil 1 5w30

Aluminum 4
Chromium 1
Iron 40
Copper 83
Lead 2
Tin 0
Moly 80
Nickel 1
Manganese 1
Silver 0
Ti 0
Potassium 2
Boron 38
Silicon 12
Sodium 6
Calcium 2634
Magnesium 11
Phosphorus 624
Zinc 808
Barium 2

Sus Visc @ 210F 56.2 should be 55-62
cST Visc @ 100 C 9.13 should be 8.8-11.1
Flashpoint in F 375 should be >365
Fuel % <0.5 should be <2.0
Antifreeze 0.0
Water % 0.0 should be <0.1
Insolubles % 0.4 should be <0.6
TBN 2.9
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The MS3 gets free oil changes at the dealer as long as I own it
Free oil changes? What kind of deal is that? Do you work for Mazda or something?
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Free oil changes? What kind of deal is that? Do you work for Mazda or something?
Nope, my dealer(Kings Mazda in Cincinnati) provides that with every new Mazda purchase. I have to provide the synthetic oil, but I still like to let them do it since the job is such a pain compared to my other cars.
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Long Beach Mazda has the free oil changes thingy if you buy something else (overpriced) extra. I think it was thier security system or something of the sort. I imagine they are not the only dealership doing this. Say 30$ an oil change and you keep the car for 100K miles, it only saves you 1k. Thier cost is much lower, and that is only if you are religious about 3K mile oil changes.

They were very pushy and tried to sell me on a "limited availability" markup on the car and wouldn't budge, so I drove 10 more miles and got what I wanted. It is certainly a buyers market for cars in the LA area.
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Good deal. My experience was quite pleasant with my Mazda dealer in Hunt Bch. I usually buy Fords and they were pretty pushy. I would just get up and walk out.. Ford dealerships are a dime a dozen.
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