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Arrow Interested in tubular, adjustable MS3 front lower control arms?

I recently started an email dialogue with a gentleman who makes custom suspension parts (he currently is selling a lot of stuff for the Ford Focus) and have asked him if he has any interest in making stuff for our platform (I'm sure his rear Focus camber arms can already be used on our cars, as the SPC arms for our cars are the exact part that they sell for C170 Focuses as well).

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So, for those of you looking for a way to get some more negative camber, these might be the ticket.

Thing is, he needs an OEM arm to get started with and to take some measurements from...

Do any of you guys have some old arms laying around, or are we gonna have to start a collection to buy him some new ones so he can get started on designing/fabricating?

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Greetings-

I've seen the suspension parts that you fabricate for Ford Focuses, and was wondering what it would take for you to be able to adapt your front control arm design to the Mazdaspeed 3, which as you probably know uses a very similar (but not exactly interchangeable) setup.

There are no really good options for adding negative camber to the MS3 (K-Mac plates are all that is available, and quite frankly they're crap - not to mention they won't work with my particular coilover setup without custom adapters), and I know of quite a few guys who are looking for a better way to get negative camber, so there may be some potential for you to expand into the platform if you're interested.

Is that something you'd ever consider?

Yes I would definitely be interested. I would need to get a stock MS3 front control arm to look at. Do you have one available, or know anyone that would have a spare? I know the rear suspension is almost identical already, since the rear camber arms fit the mazda as well. Let me know if you happen to have pics of the MS3 front control arms as well.
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I'd donate for that.
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I'm interested in this. What is the projected cost for this part? Are the control arms different between a mz3 and a ms3? If not i'm sure we could find the part from a wrecked on cheap.
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In need to call a dealer to confirm but i looks like the control arms are different between gen 1 and 2. cost for new OEM arms online is 220 for gen 2 and 310 for gen 1.
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I just call the dealer to confirm, but the lwr control arm from the Gen1 & 2 are different. The Gen 2 control cost less than the Gen 1 arms. I know i'd be interested in helping out for the gen2 folks. Are there any reviews for this persons parts to get an ideal of their quality.
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Are there even any suspension options for genpu yet?
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Some Gen 1 parts work with Gen 2. Coilovers, RSB & Some Chassis Bracing.
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So then we don't need to worry about genpu arms righ now.
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Subbed. Second on cost estimate for the part, and more info background info on this contact of yours to gauge quality of work.
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So then we don't need to worry about genpu arms righ now.
I can't speak for others gen2's but i know i could really use this for autoX and road racing. I'll be doing springs and koni's. If this is a option i'd be willing to do everything at one time.
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I'm gonna work on putting together some links to more info/reviews/etc., but for the time being, here is the guy's Flickr feed (with lots of pictures of his work):

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i could get a hold of gen 1 front lca's probably - can i get a free set of his arms if i donated them?
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i have a bent lower control arm available
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His welds look indestructible. Diggin' the stretched side walls too. Focus is too low for any positive handling attributes, but if this guy can make ms3 parts, he's gonna have a cult following.
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I'd be in for twisted mash of pink metal that gives me negative camber.
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So then we don't need to worry about genpu arms righy now.
Unless the gen 2 arms give more camber out of the box for a gen 1.........
Just a thought of something to look into.

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I wonder what the difference is between gen 1 & 2 LCA are? Can't be to much since we can use just about all the same componets. I'd be willing to donate LCA's for Gen2 depending on the price of the finished product.
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The problem with the longer control arm is that it moves the wheel further out, so you may have to run a narrower tire/wheel.
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my buddy chris has alot of his parts installed on his focus and i can say first hand they are amazing.when you see the pieces in person you can actually tell they were built tough

heres a piece for the rear subframe he made.its badass clear powdercoat

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Those welds looks NICE! I am totally in. I dont have a spare lca but is there anything else i can to do help?
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No need for donations; save your money. I have the OEM control arms for the GEN 1 and will have the GEN 2 arms if and when I need them. I have been working on this for over a month now

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Molly Tubing
Delrin Bushings
Camber adjustment
Powder coated

And the control arms are not longer and there will be no need for a new tire/wheel setup.

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JB If your working on some like this that great.
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That's pretty dope. Hopefully they look/are as solid ad these look/are.
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Hey JB, what are you going to do for bushings? I've been planning on doing these for a while to get rid of some wheel hop:

Mazda 3 04-08 Front Lower Arm Bushings Kit 4 Pcs - eBay (item 230567631401 end time Feb-25-11 1306 PST)
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Originally Posted by jbarone View Post
And the control arms are not longer and there will be no need for a new tire/wheel setup.
How can you get more negative camber from changing the lower control arm without extending the arm further out? If you have aggressive wheels/tires before, the arm will stick them further out the car.
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Hey JB, what are you going to do for bushings? I've been planning on doing these for a while to get rid of some wheel hop:
Delrin bushings.

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How can you get more negative camber from changing the lower control arm without extending the arm further out? If you have aggressive wheels/tires before, the arm will stick them further out the car.
Look at the 2nd picture in the OP.
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Delrin bushings.



Look at the 2nd picture in the OP.
That is moving the arm outwards.... If its at the original location, there won't be increase in camber
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the bushings will tear if you don't find a way to secure them in there. saitek tried to use the topspeed bushings and his own bushings and they both tore. he had to weld a washer at the ends to keep the front/back movement from tearing the bushing.

i'd still like to see this guy make arms for us, even if jbarone is working on them already - more products/competition is better.
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Originally Posted by justint5387 View Post
That is moving the arm outwards.... If its at the original location, there won't be increase in camber
The arm doesn't move. Only the ball joint.
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Dont mean to thread jack, but JB, how bout a front sway bar to match the RSB?

coldrice, i have the topspeed bushings on and so far so good. I am surprised to hear that they tore.

Derlin LCA bushings would be heaven!
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The arm doesn't move. Only the ball joint.
The ball joint is a part of the arm, it will move the wheel out and restrict the size of tires/wheels you can fit within the fender.
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Originally Posted by justint5387 View Post
it will move the wheel out and restrict the size of tires/wheels you can fit within the fender.
No it won't. +camber maybe, but not -camber.
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Yes it will, you gain negative camber by pushing the bottom of the wheel out and keeping the top at the same spot.

With a camber plate, you gain negative camber by pulling the top of the wheel in. This creates a tucking effect, so your tires will tuck inside the fender.

With the control arm, you don't get the effect of tucking the tires inside the fender because it didn't physically change the location at the top of the wheel.



Blue line is how a camber plate works, red line is how the control arm will work for gaining negative camber
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This is the lower control arm, so as you move the lower ball joint out and the strut assembly does not move its spot, the bottom of the wheel is moved out... creating more positive camber.
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This is the lower control arm, so as you move the lower ball joint out and the strut assembly does not move its spot, the bottom of the wheel is moved out... creating more positive camber.
The ball joint connects to the hub, and the hub connects to the strut. It's negative camber.
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Originally Posted by justint5387 View Post
The ball joint connects to the hub, and the hub connects to the strut. It's negative camber.
Ahh yes you are right I was thinking positive was when the tires lean in at the top, my bad.
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