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Pictures from all angles would be a good start.

We wanted a full release not just making it available for purchase.
This is a big one. The way the pictures were provided it felt like something was being hidden.
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Originally Posted by maisonvi View Post
This is a big one. The way the pictures were provided it felt like something was being hidden.
not our intention, again we tried to release this asap for you guys. We were off between Christmas and New Years, but we are back now so more pictures will be available shortly
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not our intention, again we tried to release this asap for you guys. We were off between Christmas and New Years, but we are back now so more pictures will be available shortly
Will be good to see those and any data or white papers.

It's just the difference between having something released, available for sale, and having something released, people wanting to buy it because they know what they are getting.
Eg You wouldn't buy a new car based on some pictures if you didn't know any specs
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Originally Posted by www.cp-e.com View Post
not our intention, again we tried to release this asap for you guys. We were off between Christmas and New Years, but we are back now so more pictures will be available shortly
Sounds good. Glad to see you guys are on here and willing to hopefully provide what we are looking for.
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I find it hard to believe that this thing made it all the way to production without any kind of flow data taken or dyno numbers. One would think at this point they would have this information. What is so difficult about posting it here? What is so difficult about spinning that thing around and taking pictures of the other side?
Makes me feel like there's something to hide.
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Wait a second this thing is already being sold but it hasn't been tested... Where are the numbers?
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Please check out the website for updated information.
Havoc? Mazdaspeed Intake Manifold - cp-e?
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impressive airflow it has
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impressive airflow it has
Not to be a prick, or too closely echo a certain permabanned member, but where do you see that?

I may have missed something, but I don't see any actual numbers or data. The section drawings are impressive looking, I just don't see any actual flow numbers or even a CFD model.

I truly want to be excited for this product, just still missing a reason to be excited about it.
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That is the data.
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Not to be a prick, or too closely echo a certain permabanned member, but where do you see that?

I may have missed something, but I don't see any actual numbers or data. The section drawings are impressive looking, I just don't see any actual flow numbers or even a CFD model.

I truly want to be excited for this product, just still missing a reason to be excited about it.
In my opinion they have still provided zero data. Its too bad really, I got tired of waiting for this and found a good deal on a V2 JMF so I went that route. I know I can meet my goals with that, and for a lot less cost, but this really had a chance to shine. I still think it will be a great manifold, but the release was done poorly.

And before anyone says we kept rushing them, and so they just put it out for sale. After this long, if they dont have the data and have it all organized, they need to look at who is working on this project. This isnt how you release products.

And @WetzMS3; you would only be echoing certain permabanned members if you focused on imperfections in the castings as your point of contention and not the lack of data or pictures. There are points worth discussing here, and then there is nit-picking.
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I agree bad release. Looks like a promising mani just wish they would post some actual numbers about the thing so i can fap to em. I seen on facebook that Justin has one and will be surely posting some info up. But I can't help but feel like Justin is doing cp-e's job. Although some independent testing will be also really nice to see.

Chances are if everything looks good. This will most likely be my next purchase this spring.
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Still no mention on TMIC support either.
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I think we are a bit too critical about this. The design is not bad and if the runners meet the head the way illustrated then it is an improvement over another manifold option. The velocity stack setup is decent although I feel the plenum volume could have been slightly larger. I appreciate the overall design and effort. I could not fathom this would underperform a stock manifold. The fact here is most of our setups would benefit slightly from this if not already running an upgraded manifold of some sort. I prefer my ported stocker just for the looks and ease of fitment but I also have no experience with the cpe version. It could bolt up no issue. My question for cpe is regarding how to connect the coldside piping to the throttle body.

Let us all just realize 90% of ms3s are still simple street vehicles and probably over 50% still run a k04. This manifold will not be the weak link.
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They have never done it so they dont know.

Oh...just kidding...I think.
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Still no good shot of the top.

No word on tmic comparability.

Rough casting of velocity stacks appears to be final product.

What updated information was provided.


Also lol at f1 style like every person interested in going fast since the dawn of the automobile hasn't used something similar.
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Will this work on my Focus ST?










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Who really cares about flow numbers provided by the company selling them, it will be biased. Like Freektune said on facebook, the data that really matters in the end is from real world testing. And freek has the perfect opportunity because he has the jmf mani on now and an in-house dyno so we will see a direct comparison soon which is really nice
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I have access to a Superflow flow bench if anyone would like to see some third party flow numbers on this mani. I'll already be flow testing a stock mani.
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I have access to a Superflow flow bench if anyone would like to see some third party flow numbers on this mani. I'll already be flow testing a stock mani.
Austin, Im in no hurry to install if you want to test my brand new V2 JMF for comparison.
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Austin, Im in no hurry to install if you want to test my brand new V2 JMF for comparison.
I'd love to. I'd like to see how all 3 stack up on the same bench. I'm already on my way up to school and past South Haven but I think I'll be coming thru the area around Valentines day. Just shoot me a txt or FB msg and we can work something out.
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I'd love to. I'd like to see how all 3 stack up on the same bench. I'm already on my way up to school and past South Haven but I think I'll be coming thru the area around Valentines day. Just shoot me a txt or FB msg and we can work something out.
I will also be swapping out my ported stocker if you want to test that eventually too. I have a jmf v1 that is going to @speed3 britz; at some point too. If you get a cpe to test that's a lot of data

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Dont just test a stock mani, it would be awesome to test a OEM mani with just VTCS and lump removed.
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Dont just test a stock mani, it would be awesome to test a OEM mani with just VTCS and lump removed.
Relentless has flow numbers for an OEM mani vs. their PnP manifolds.

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Not ported, just VTCS and lump removed if possible to compare to ported.
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Not ported, just VTCS and lump removed if possible to compare to ported.
I would imagine the results to be fairly similar to those Relentless has posted, that's why I mentioned it. If you look at their PnP job, not a ton of material is removed from each runner, and the gains from OEM to PnP, while very helpful, are not gigantic (+/- 40 CFM). I think it'd be safe to assume removing VTCS and the lump would get you somewhere in between those numbers, closer to the results of the PnP mani.

I understand why you're curious, I'm just stating that there is data out there that is close enough, so the extra effort needed to test this specifically, may not be worth it.
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But if you're going to test it, it would be better to get all the data from one location; similar in theory to using a dyno, every one will read differently.

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Wouldn't Relentless' number be possibly biased as well. Not to mention the benefits of all on one bench as stated.
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I would imagine the results to be fairly similar to those Relentless has posted, that's why I mentioned it. If you look at their PnP job, not a ton of material is removed from each runner, and the gains from OEM to PnP, while very helpful, are not gigantic (+/- 40 CFM). I think it'd be safe to assume removing VTCS and the lump would get you somewhere in between those numbers, closer to the results of the PnP mani.

I understand why you're curious, I'm just stating that there is data out there that is close enough, so the extra effort needed to test this specifically, may not be worth it.
I agree it will be simaler and that is only reason why I have wanted it tested. Kind of a moot point at this point. I just removed VTCS and lump.
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I will also be swapping out my ported stocker if you want to test that eventually too. I have a jmf v1 that is going to @speed3 britz; at some point too. If you get a cpe to test that's a lot of data

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But if you're going to test it, it would be better to get all the data from one location; similar in theory to using a dyno, every one will read differently.

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I'll let you know. As of tomorrow I should have one spare IM so I can test it @ stock and then remove the lump and VCTS and then fully port it.
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Who really cares about flow numbers provided by the company selling them, it will be biased. Like Freektune said on facebook, the data that really matters in the end is from real world testing. And freek has the perfect opportunity because he has the jmf mani on now and an in-house dyno so we will see a direct comparison soon which is really nice
This ^^ Back to back testing in a controlled environment will show what its capable of producing in power gains.
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Justin from Freek got one. Let's see what happens after his test.
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In regards to the TMIC questions:
When we started designing our Havoc™ Intake Manifold our main focus was on efficiency and power gains. These were the 2 aspects that the community did NOT want to sacrifice in any way, but still retain a true "bolt-on" design. In order to keep this goal we designed the Havoc™ to work directly with a FMIC as this would provide the best way to establish these end goals, power and efficiency. The smaller TMIC would not allow us to achieve these goals or give the option for a larger throttler body and have it provide any significant gains. After asking surveying the Mazdaspeed community as to what it was looking for a large majority already had a FMIC and of those that already had a TMIC or did not have an upgraded intercooler already, planned to purchase a FMIC in conjunction with the Havoc™.
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So then the weird offset holes that have nothing to do with mounting to the head are not spaced properly for TMIC then. Got it.

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Sadly I'm out for this then, no plans to get rid of my TMIC. Still interested to see what kind of numbers come out of this.
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Welding a bracket for the TMIC would take less time than figuring out new cold pipe routing.
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So then the weird offset holes that have nothing to do with mounting to the head are not spaced properly for TMIC then. Got it.

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Your TMIC setup is going to be completely custom anyway, I'm sure you can make it work.
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