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02-03-2012, 06:14 PM | #1 |
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02-03-2012, 06:40 PM | #3 |
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02-03-2012, 07:14 PM | #5 |
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| Not Ranked : 0 score Very well written sir. Downloaded and did a quick read. Very easy to understand. Will take a look at the corrected one as well. Thank you for your hard work @Bucker |
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| Not Ranked : 0 score in the order they should be read: 1) ATR Help File- Initial tuning guide & the two addendum's 2) Abilors Tuning Guide (still hoping for an update...) 3) Buckners ATR Cheat Sheet With the above reference material, some study time & some common sense any fool can make an acceptable, decently performing and safe daily driver map. You'll note that I said "map", not "tune". I believe there is a vast difference between the results you get from safe acceptable norms and the custom, fine tuned specifically for you custom tunes from the local e-tuners on MSF. AFAIK, this is the list (compliments of @rfinkle2 sig) If you need a tune, contact DIZZYTUNING (Phate or Bucker), FREEKTUNES (atvfreek) or the PERM TEAM (Djuosnteisn, Dano, Lex or Socks), in no particular order
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| Not Ranked : 0 score Good stuff as always Bucker. It is cool to see the ways different people manipulate the tables to get results. One differences to note since Abilor's guide was written: -wgdc table values seen in the wgdc table are now what the ecu will use (much thanks to Dano for his 2x+10 formula, but it is no longer needed) |
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| Not Ranked : 0 score It's interesting how similarly I set some things up, but one thing that I've been sticking with for a while on the cars I tune is a boost biased hybrid tune because of erratic WG behavior. Has anyone been having this problem lately with neutered load tables? I would love to just zero out that stuff from now on for the ease of tuning if nothing else. That would knock out a few steps, but I literally had a guy hitting 22psi, 17psi, 19psi, then trailing off to 15psi before 6500 when I had all the load error tables neutered. @rfinkle2 is actually the one that suggested to try a hybrid tune to fix it, and it works well, it's just a little more work. EDIT: great job BTW @Bucker! I meant to say that first, but my brain was going faster than my fingers, LOL.
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| Not Ranked : 0 score Nataphen, I was having similar issues (cranky wgdc) and Atvfreek, Fobio and Bluestreak convinced me to stop fighting the factory logic, and hybrid tune. Since using a combo of all / most of the available tables, I haven't had a single issue with wgdc not acting as expected. It takes a bit more time, but you'll be less likely to get a map back this way when weather changes, imo. |
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I have, in the past, done some hybrid stuff but I have found that I can get tons of consistency from tunes done in a similar fashion to what I posted here. I don't encounter any significant over boost situations (MAX 1-1.5 PSI over boost with environmental changes) and those are easily adjusted for down the road. This is just me though, clearly everyone has their own methods. etc.
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| Not Ranked : 0 score The way that I set it up now is load x gear tables ~.2 above logged load, 10% of OEM LEC, zeroed load dynamics, and a less aggressive BEC than recommended here. I stay right on my boost targets, but I was just hoping that Cobb may have given the boost tables more control by now. Another thing that is also load based is the throttle close control. You had mentioned how ineffective it was, but adding some load control back in will keep it from being quite so lazy. The main thing that I think is funny about your tuning and mine, Buck, is timing. I also set timing tables in a knock, knock+2=no knock, knock+4=max fashion. Many people set them all the same. |
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| Not Ranked : 0 score Awesome! More reading material about ATR. Thanks so much Bucker. I like having a peek into the logic of those who understand, (atr), more clearly. Definitely reading this tonite. |
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| Not Ranked : 0 score @Bucker Can i plug in your LTFT learing zones on my maf cal? Will i have to re-do my maf cal to those value? Sorry a lil off topic. |
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| Not Ranked : 0 score Right on. Ya my maf cal needs a little rub down. A little lotion and candles if ya know what i mean, wink, wink. |
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I have done a lot of reading and these were all changes I was looking to make and will now go see how they work out Thanks!!! | |
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