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Mazda performance shop in Livermore Ca called VL performance doing the build.

Bought car at 80k with stock ms3 ram air..Cobb AP tuner with stage 1plus flash doing 16psi.

So the seals went out and something happened with the pcv system they said that caused oil leak..per a Mazda psb they said I should replace the whole pcv system as well..I agreeed..

Parts we spoke about doing and ordered going in this week.

ATP freshly made GT3071r kit including intake piping
Full pcv replacement..dude said it came with a new intake manifold??
AEM e85 capable fuel pump was told world as good as a walboro255 if not better.
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Um...I'm confused. We have a cam driven pump that needs to be upgraded not the one in the fuel tank.

If the shop doing the work suggested AEM capable fuel pump take your car and run.
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Free intake manifold with a PCV plate?
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Sounds like you need to educate yourself on the fuel system before going one step further. On all systems of the car lest you get ripped off and end up with an expensive aluminum paper weight.

Be very wary of shops that want to sell you shit that doesn't make sense! Many run the stock in tank pump on E30 without issues....
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I would bring your car to a different shop. You are going to spend A LOT of unnecessary money and get a car that still doesn't run right.
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i Would Bring Your Car to a Different Shop. You Are Going to Spend a Lot of Unnecessary Money and Get a Car That Still Doesn't Run Right.
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um...i'm Confused. We Have a Cam Driven Pump That Needs to Be Upgraded Not the One in the Fuel Tank.

If the Shop Doing the Work Suggested Aem Capable Fuel Pump Take Your Car and Run.
Maybe I'm.saying It Wrong... I Didn't Mention the Fuel Tank...can You Explain

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um...i'm Confused. We Have a Cam Driven Pump That Needs to Be Upgraded Not the One in the Fuel Tank.

If the Shop Doing the Work Suggested Aem Capable Fuel Pump Take Your Car and Run.
Also Is the Walboro 255 a Better Option? No One Is Offering Any Solutions as to Why Certain Items Are Had Choicea
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mazda Performance Shop in Livermore Ca Called Vl Performance Doing the Build.

Bought Car at 80k With Stock Ms3 Ram Air..cobb Ap Tuner With Stage 1plus Flash Doing 16psi.

So the Seals Went Out and Something Happened With the Pcv System They Said That Caused Oil Leak..per a Mazda Psb They Said I Should Replace the Whole Pcv System as Well..i Agreeed..

Parts We Spoke About Doing and Ordered Going in This Week.

Atp Freshly Made Gt3071r Kit Including Intake Piping
Full Pcv Replacement..dude Said It Came With a New Intake Manifold??
Aem E85 Capable Fuel Pump Was Told World as Good as a Walboro255 if Not Better.
Turbo Xs Dual Core 1st Gen Fmic .
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Walboro 255 is an in-tank fuel pump. You don't need it.

It's your cam-driven, high pressure fuel pump internals that need to be upgraded...


FWIW: I think the shop is trying to sell you a Valve Cover/Ventilation kit. ( The final smoke at idle fix from Mazda TSB 01-002/11 dated 2/23/11 ) It was a "fix" for smoking turbos back when Mazda had their extended warranty in effect. That too, you don't need.

Stay away from this shop. Read the PM you received when you joined this site and start reading...
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I almost thought you were trolling us. You need to do some research. This is all very basic information.

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Please listen to everyone here. This shop is clearly incompetent and knows nothing about speeds. If you already paid for said parts, get a refund because it seems to me it's just poppycock.
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Lots of us here in Nor Cal if you need help. Read through some build threads and make a competent list of whats needed to go BT. Then post it up for us to review.

I checked out their FB page and Yelp reviews. They seem competent but maybe not familiar with the DISI platform. All I saw were EVO's, Subies, and Miatas....I'm sure they could install the parts, but you should source them on your own.

Secondly contact one of the pro tuners on here so you can get a base map on there once its all installed. Then move forward with the custom tuning process. Using them for tuning is not as wise as using a tuner that has done 100's of tunes on our platform. Make sense?

You might even get lucky and find a couple of us that would be willing to help you build it up yourself. Then you know its done right.
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Lots of us here in Nor Cal if you need help. Read through some build threads and make a competent list of whats needed to go BT. Then post it up for us to review.

I checked out their FB page and Yelp reviews. They seem competent but maybe not familiar with the DISI platform. All I saw were EVO's, Subies, and Miatas....I'm sure they could install the parts, but you should source them on your own.

Secondly contact one of the pro tuners on here so you can get a base map on there once its all installed. Then move forward with the custom tuning process. Using them for tuning is not as wise as using a tuner that has done 100's of tunes on our platform. Make sense?

You might even get lucky and find a couple of us that would be willing to help you build it up yourself. Then you know its done right.
Thor - thanks so much for looking into that as well.

Yes im beginning to realize they aren't DISI experts.

I come from a 300zx turbo I worked with which is obviously a totally different buildup.

At this point I picked all the parts so far and paid them a deposit so I don't think I can run for the hills.

I did straighten out the issue with the HPFP vs the In tank and we are going to make sure that gets done as well.

At this point I'm going to just try and use the knowledge base from you guys here to assist them get the Disi stuff right.

Btw..I did look for a norcal forum.and didn't find one... Would love to get more involved and give some work to anyone local that wants it's.. This shop was literally the only option I had at the time and I couldn't find a norcal forum so I just went for it.

They suggested I do the 3071 from atp and do the supporting mods...

Before the heavy smoking tailpipe I was running a stage 1plus tune on my accessport at 16.5 psi with ms3 ram air and catback...

Turbo XS Dual Core FMIC
Atp 3071r package
Hpff upgrade by Corksport
Corksport downpipe
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Accessport and ram air already have...the shop said I don't need a 3 bar map sensor because I won't be going over 22 psi.

I followed the thread on here that said what to do before BT.

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You need to check the overall health of the engine before slapping on upgrades. It sounds like you're not sure what is causing the smoking.
You should consider your power goals and then pick and choose your parts wisely.
They said the turbo seals went out after tearing it down..and that the pcv replacement and cleaning everything out should get me back running assuming I have a new turbo to use

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You need to check the overall health of the engine before slapping on upgrades. It sounds like you're not sure what is causing the smoking.
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You need to check the overall health of the engine before slapping on upgrades. It sounds like you're not sure what is causing the smoking.
You should consider your power goals and then pick and choose your parts wisely.
I agree.. I listened and trusted a shop unfortunetly

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Use the forums and read some build threads and don't expect to be spoon fed. The gt3071r is a awkward lame turbo imo but have fun if after researching you're satisfied with it's powerband
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Use the forums and read some build threads and don't expect to be spoon fed. The gt3071r is a awkward lame turbo imo but have fun if after researching you're satisfied with it's powerband
Thanks man.. I needed to get things moving and fixed....I almost went to the $dealership.


I'm going to need to do brakes and suspension next..hoping to find someone local I can pay for their time to do the upgrades the right way.

I'm.looking to get the most power out of my stock engine...give the supporting fuel mods,fmic, and get it tuned right.

Luckily I found some help here despite not using search enough..

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Best of luck man, tons of info and experience to be utilized in this forum.
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Best of luck man, tons of info and experience to be utilized in this forum.
Yah using the search better...assumed too many things thanks everyone I'll let you guys know what happens.

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looks like the shop is none-to-kind with your car.
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looks like the shop is none-to-kind with your car.
Nice spot! That should be fun.
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looks like the shop is none-to-kind with your car.
In what way does this picture you quoted tell you they are "none to kind" with my car? Or are you just another troll with nothing to input

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In what way does this picture you quoted tell you they are "none to kind" with my car? Or are you just another troll with nothing to input

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Stop acting like a bitch because your car is geting fucked up. You chose to listen to a shop who knew nothing about the engine they were building. You could have saved yourself a ton of trouble, getting local members to help diagnose and fix your car. People who are educated on this car much more than every person at that "performance shop" combined.

Get the shop to start listening to what people on here are saying. Or get it out of there, and get in contact with locals in your area who know what they are doing.

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Maybe you should pay attention to what he outlined in red in that picture before you throw a bitch fit, yea?
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Maybe you should pay attention to what he outlined in red in that picture before you throw a bitch fit, yea?
I'm not a mechanic..I see the arrow but no explanation as to what the issue he is referring to.

Not a bitch fit..just some forums people are super elitist and want to talk shit instead of help

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Stop acting like a bitch because your car is geting fucked up. You chose to listen to a shop who knew nothing about the engine they were building. You could have saved yourself a ton of trouble, getting local members to help diagnose and fix your car. People who are educated on this car much more than every person at that "performance shop" combined.

Get the shop to start listening to what people on here are saying. Or get it out of there, and get in contact with locals in your area who know what they are doing.

You need to tell them to take better care of your shit, unless you don't give a fuck about it either.
Please explain how my.car is getting fucked up.

Shoulda coulda woulda... Unfortunetly I don't have a time machine and as I stated before I couldn't find the normal forum.

Yes I want to a shop that. Claims to specialize in Mazda vehicles..am I the first person to come to a forum to seek help with my issues?

I'm talking shit back to people who are just throwing in useless banter that doesn't help me resolve the issues.



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Originally Posted by g00s3y View Post
Stop acting like a bitch because your car is geting fucked up. You chose to listen to a shop who knew nothing about the engine they were building. You could have saved yourself a ton of trouble, getting local members to help diagnose and fix your car. People who are educated on this car much more than every person at that "performance shop" combined.

Get the shop to start listening to what people on here are saying. Or get it out of there, and get in contact with locals in your area who know what they are doing.

You need to tell them to take better care of your shit, unless you don't give a fuck about it either.
What's he saying with the arrow..there was no explanation.."hey the pic you guys sent me looks like your none to kind to my car"

Then they reply what do you mean....then I say nothing because I don't have direct feedback..

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The shop rounded off part of your high pressure fuel pump when attempting to remove it. The red arrow points to a rounded off edge.

It may be hard to get that back in torqued to spec, it will definitely be hard to remove again if it does make it back into the hpfp housing.
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Nah man not upset..

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Who tuned it?
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Who tuned it?
I'm gonna do a WOT data log and SEND it to Freek per Thors suggestion...

I'm.really just trying to get my car fixed and working properly...and fast

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Who tuned it?
The shop doing the work claims they can tune it no problem ..they have a dyno etc..but like I said above I'm.gonna send off the data log and hopefully get freeek to do it.

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You should probably have Justin send you a base map before you go WOT....just saying.
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You should probably have Justin send you a base map before you go WOT....just saying.
What's the best way to contact him?

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Through his website...buy the tune, send him a list of mods and he will send you a base map.
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The go: Depo racing: downpipe (100 cell count), custom: FMIC. HTP: 3.5" intake, under route piping. JBR: shortshifter, RSB. Autotech: HPFP internals. Go fast bits: hybrid BPV, VMR: 18x8.5 V710s, Bridgestone: potenza re760 245/40/18, KW: v3 coilovers,SPC: camber arms, freektuned, Damond Motorsports: dual OCC, PMM, PCV plate, RMM, TMM, EGR delete, FoSt mani, Corksport: battery box(fuck this thing), injector seals, Cobb: EBCS, AP v3. AEM: methanol. Seibon: carbon fiber hood. UR: catback. Bosch: 3bar. BNR: s4, DNP: EWG manifold, Tial: 38mm mvs EWG.

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Through his website...buy the tune, send him a list of mods and he will send you a base map.
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Man, what was wrong with that fuel pump? I'm surprised it was still pushing fuel. Are those metal shavings? Carbon build-up?

I didn't read all the posts, but I would suggest you have someone familiar with the Speeds look at your engine. Might need more work....
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Man, what was wrong with that fuel pump? I'm surprised it was still pushing fuel. Are those metal shavings? Carbon build-up?

I didn't read all the posts, but I would suggest you have someone familiar with the Speeds look at your engine. Might need more work....
I was wondering the same thing. Possible it was run off of corn at one point?
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The go: Depo racing: downpipe (100 cell count), custom: FMIC. HTP: 3.5" intake, under route piping. JBR: shortshifter, RSB. Autotech: HPFP internals. Go fast bits: hybrid BPV, VMR: 18x8.5 V710s, Bridgestone: potenza re760 245/40/18, KW: v3 coilovers,SPC: camber arms, freektuned, Damond Motorsports: dual OCC, PMM, PCV plate, RMM, TMM, EGR delete, FoSt mani, Corksport: battery box(fuck this thing), injector seals, Cobb: EBCS, AP v3. AEM: methanol. Seibon: carbon fiber hood. UR: catback. Bosch: 3bar. BNR: s4, DNP: EWG manifold, Tial: 38mm mvs EWG.

The show: 5% tint all around, 50% tint windshield, rally armor mudflaps, Sony XAV64BT touchscreen headunit, katskin leather interior, CPE relocation plate, Maisonvi weighted shift knob, Corksport hoodscoop, black housing headlights.

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