Ecoboost going hard

[Dash08]

Ford threw that old mustang 2.3 turbo into this as well...
1986 Merkur XR4Ti


Say hello to my first car. That bitch constantly broke down. It could have been sick had it been built with better components. RWD, 5 speed, good handling, 200 hp out of the box with mod potential.

I'm glad the new 2.3's don't resemble these engines in any way. They had issues.

[SPEED6 KILLAH]

Originally Posted by Tokay444 I heard a cobb rep was quoted as saying it's derivative of an efr 6258

Yeah that what I was heard too..
Check this site out very interesting Turbo supporting up to 440hp
BorgWarner EFR 6258 Turbo - Full-Race.com

[Tokay444]

Not bloody likely. And by 440 hp, they mean bhp.
And when they say "derivative", they mean it'll be nothing like the efr at all.

[Roddiy]

Originally Posted by Tokay444 Not bloody likely. And by 440 hp, they mean bhp. And when they say "derivative", they mean it'll be nothing like the efr at all.

Quoted from Car & Driver magazine review:

The aforementioned 252 hp comes at 5500 rpm.

This goes to suggest that their turbo will be about the same size as ours (starts running out of air early in the powerband)

Perhaps one of you guys could enlighten me if I'm correct, or tell me that I'm wrong because the 2.0L in their engines would react differently than our bigger 2.3Ls when it comes to the turbo running out of air in the top band.



It also states peak Torque comes in at 2700rpm which is quite a bit earlier than our cars (especially considering their smaller displacement), so it supports the "smaller turbo" theory.


Gearhead mention:


@SPEED6 KILLAH @djuostein @rfinkle2 @Bucker @atvfreek @MS6FL

Because you fuckers are gearheads and know more than me, chime in.

[SPEED6 KILLAH]

@Roddiy ford did some changes

[Ziggo]

In b4 "overboost, it kicked in yo"


Zigatapatalka

[Karmat]

Is it possible that they'll use a similar twin scroll ko4 that is used in SS cobalts. Capable of quite a bit power on a 2.0.

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[Tokay444]

They're using a derivative of an efr 6528.
So no. Not possible.

[shadesofgray19]

Doesn't it also have port injection as well as direct injection? I believe it has 8 injectors or is that chevy's di engine?

[Tokay444]

That's the scion/toyota/Subaru. So far.

[Bucker]

Originally Posted by SPEED6 KILLAH @Roddiy ford did some changes

Looks like a shitty tune with that peak in boost at spool, lol.

[Roddiy]

Originally Posted by Ziggo In b4 "overboost, it kicked in yo" Zigatapatalka

Inb4 "Overboost didn't kick in, yo."

[Seatime3]

Originally Posted by Downmented Link or lies, because everything i see shows that it is the same motor that the show has, to include the same turbos.

What Turbo in the Ecoboost F150 - Page 2 - Ford F150 Forum - Community of Ford Truck Fans

This helps a little. So not ko4's.... A ko3 of sorts... I've searched for over 4 hours, called and emailed larger companies, talked to my buddy who has a f-150 EB and for some strange reason no one knows exactly what it is. I think @Tokay444 may also be right on the f-150 being a derivative of an efr. Borg Warner definitely makes the turbos. They have a press release stating this.

[Seatime3]

BorgWarner Turbo Systems - Specialists in advanced turbocharger technology

Just a little info on all ford ecoboost that use Borg Warner turbos

[Mizzle]

The more important question is whether or not we can direct-swap the 2.3L since it's a derivative (word of the day,) of the Duratec/MZR block....

[MS3MYK]

Originally Posted by RedBliss I think ford just developed a 1.0L ecoboost motor also. Don't know what it's for but I remember reading it somewhere.

Ford Fiesta ST, theres already pictures of it floating around the web.

[Tokay444]

I can really only speak to what I've read about, and those are the 4 cyl ecoboosts.

[Downmented]

Originally Posted by Seatime3 What Turbo in the Ecoboost F150 - Page 2 - Ford F150 Forum - Community of Ford Truck Fans This helps a little. So not ko4's.... A ko3 of sorts... I've searched for over 4 hours, called and emailed larger companies, talked to my buddy who has a f-150 EB and for some strange reason know one knows exactly what it is. I think @Tokay444 may also be right on the f-150 being a derivative of an efr. Borg Warner definitely makes the turbos. They have a press release stating this.

So atleast im not the only one who had a hard time finding other wise

I just find it odd how the wiki page for the ecoboost has both the SHO and the F150 in the same section and same specs other than TQ.

Good find none the less.

[Mizzle]

Rumor has it the heads will swap from the ST to our car... controlling the extra hardware is another question but I read somewhere that the blocks are identical.

[Roddiy]

Originally Posted by Mizzle Rumor has it the heads will swap from the ST to our car... controlling the extra hardware is another question but I read somewhere that the blocks are identical.

The head of 2.0 will swap into our 2.3s?

Again, not bashing, just looking to learn.

[Seatime3]

I believe Cobb has an ST now... very soon if not yet @Evan@COBB
Have any insight here for us?

[SPEED6 KILLAH]

Originally Posted by Roddiy The head of 2.0 will swap into our 2.3s? Again, not bashing, just looking to learn.

It look like it will but going to need so swap front timing cover and etc...

[Seatime3]

@Speed6 killah or @Lex
Do you guys know if the ST has engine management like the f-150's Bosch? I've read some about it and its a very tough set up to tune well properly. One of the reasons it took so long to get tuning out for the f-150. Many companies are actually still having troubles getting good driveability with a tune. The 3.5 in the SHO is very easy to tune. Hoping the ST is like the SHO as far as tuning.

[Big sugaaakane1]

fuck that if the 2.3 ecoboost has hat much power, just might as well swap it and put it into my speed3 lol

[Seatime3]

EcoBoost Pyro Readings - Page 4 - Ford F150 Forum - Community of Ford Truck Fans

There is some info ^^ there and a link to more about the Bosch info

[Mi06Speed6]

The ST suites you MS3 guys. I'm in for the newer 2013 Ford Fusion Titanium with AWD. Yes it will have stupid paddle shifters but the wifey won't complain about not being able to drive the car.

[Big sugaaakane1]

honestly but the st is turboed right? and already comes 330 hp? ford did a good job of taking mazda's design, but that would mean mazda would have to come out with something to compete against eventually no? for the mean time i'm swapping the motors if i get the chance

[SPEED6 KILLAH]

Originally Posted by Seatime3 @Speed6 killah or @Lex Do you guys know if the ST has engine management like the f-150's Bosch? I've read some about it and its a very tough set up to tune well properly. One of the reasons it took so long to get tuning out for the f-150. Many companies are actually still having troubles getting good driveability with a tune. The 3.5 in the SHO is very easy to tune. Hoping the ST is like the SHO as far as tuning.

The ST use a bosch MED17 ecu like the mazda skyactiv.
Their a guy in florida that work with ford that tuner that diesel trucks and start to make tune for the F150 on gas and pure E85
I'm sure cobb have a tune for it already the ST lol,,

[Tokay444]

Originally Posted by Big sugaaakane1 honestly but the st is turboed right? and already comes 330 hp? ford did a good job of taking mazda's design, but that would mean mazda would have to come out with something to compete against eventually no? for the mean time i'm swapping the motors if i get the chance

No.
It's a 2.0 @ 250hp

[Seatime3]

Originally Posted by SPEED6 KILLAH The ST use a bosch MED17 ecu like the mazda skyactiv. Their a guy in florida that work with ford that tuner that diesel trucks and start to make tune for the F150 on gas and pure E85 I'm sure cobb have a tune for it already the ST lol,,

Would be fun to see a f-150 getting tunes by Cobb
with tune only the 3.5 in f150's see an average of 360whp and 420plus wtq
And that's through an auto on a pickup seeing 25% + drive train loss

[omgvance]

wow.... I'm really interested to see the mustang... that is going to be a really sweet ride.

[Seatime3]

2011 Ford EcoBoost F-150 picks up 90rwhp with Fastlane's tuning - YouTube

2011 Ford EcoBoost F-150 picks up 90rwhp with Fastlane's tuning - YouTube

Those are bolted Lightning numbers

[Mizzle]

Originally Posted by Roddiy The head of 2.0 will swap into our 2.3s? Again, not bashing, just looking to learn.

Yep. On phone, but will find link if I can.

Turbos:

V6: Dual Honeywell-Garrett GT15
I4 2.0: Borg Warner K03 low inertia integrated turbo system
I4 1.6: Borg Warner KP39 low inertia turbo

Can't find link, but same block...which means swaps are possible so if the aftermarket picks up the ST we could just switch...or try to do hybrid builds like a Honda engine series.

[Roddiy]

Originally Posted by Mizzle Yep. On phone, but will find link if I can. Turbos: V6: Dual Honeywell-Garrett GT15 I4 2.0: Borg Warner K03 low inertia integrated turbo system I4 1.6: Borg Warner KP39 low inertia turbo Can't find link, but same block...which means swaps are possible so if the aftermarket picks up the ST we could just switch...or try to do hybrid builds like a Honda engine series.

Just as I expected on the 2.0s.

Any words on the 2.3s? Those are definetly more interesting.

[Mizzle]

Originally Posted by Roddiy Just as I expected on the 2.0s. Any words on the 2.3s? Those are definetly more interesting.

2.3 = v6 so who cares? lol I mean, it'd be a nice engine, but would likely mean swapping cars.

[Seatime3]

Originally Posted by Mizzle 2.3 = v6 so who cares? lol I mean, it'd be a nice engine, but would likely mean swapping cars.

Next-Gen Mustang And Focus RS To Receive 2.3L EcoBoost Engine? | Ford Authority

The 2.3 is a I-4 not v6

[mr_diggs]

Originally Posted by Seatime3 What Turbo in the Ecoboost F150 - Page 2 - Ford F150 Forum - Community of Ford Truck Fans This helps a little. So not ko4's.... A ko3 of sorts... I've searched for over 4 hours, called and emailed larger companies, talked to my buddy who has a f-150 EB and for some strange reason no one knows exactly what it is. I think @Tokay444 may also be right on the f-150 being a derivative of an efr. Borg Warner definitely makes the turbos. They have a press release stating this.

Ford is keeping things quiet because the turbos are made by "PEZ". I was skeptical at first but since I own a 3.5 ecoboost f150 I thought I'd take a look. The turbos are tucked tightly between the block and the frame but I was able to get one off in about an hour and a half. Once it was off I was able to disassemble the unit. What I found inside confirms the rumors of the manufacturer.....that's right, a bunch of little candies fell out right on the shop floor.

[ajkulish]

Originally Posted by triplejumper18 There will still be a V8 for the Mustang.

sorry for the dead thread revival, but i have an inside source in my field of work that said the 2015 mustang gt will have a flat 8 turbo designed by roush that is good for 450 hp.

[captain slow]

Flat 8 turbo? I don't buy it. And the GT already has 420 so turbocharged would net higher HP.

[2.0t03speed]

the coyote motors already have a relief in the head for a direct injection addition in the coming years. why would ford put out the coyote motors just to can them for a swap to a flat 8 it makes no sense.