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(Thread Starter) | Not Ranked : 0 score Designed my own short shift plates To start this off, I will say that I have never really been happy with the shift feel / performance of my MS3. Of all the manual trans cars I have owned over the years the speed 3's gearbox has been my least favorite. My major gripe is the inconsistency of the 2/3 shift. I don't want to bash anybody's products on here but I was running a SSP with light counter weight that while the shift throw was shorter, for me the shift feel & performance was terrible. So I decided to try my hand at making my own short shift plate. This is the 3rd design I have made and tested out and I HONESTLY FUCKING LOVE THE WAY MY CAR SHIFTS FOR THE FIRST TIME SINCE I BOUGHT IT! My design is simple. Its a self weighted plate with adjustment slots for 15-30% reduction in throw. Going to 40% requires raising the ball end and that creates other major issues by itself. Also it has 2 added counter weight plates that are stackable. You can run just the SSP or the SSP with 1 & 2 counter weights. So it's adjustable for shift throw & tuneable for weight. Currently I am running it with 1 weight and I love it. Shift feel is very positive and the trans engages every gear with a solid feel and no fighting to get into first at a stop like I had occasionally in the past. And Now I can hit 3rd gear 100% of the time without issue. Couple notes on the design. The weighted design is offset in its position on the shift linkage. There is more weight directed towards the 1/2 3/4 5/6 shift. The Plate does not extend any further than the oem shift counterweight in on the firewall side and is about 1" shorter than the oem weight on the radiator side. Turbo_Steve's SHIFT HAMMER
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| Not Ranked : 0 score Nice! do you pair this with a heavier knob or a lightweight knob?
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| Not Ranked : 0 score I bet most of the improvement is from having a shorter stud where the cable attaches. I never understood why JBR and others put such a tall standoff on there. Seems like it would add a lot of off-axis force and slop in the shifter. I didn't care for the feel of the JBR plate and I think the standoff was why
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| Not Ranked : 0 score You can do this with 1/4" aluminum plate. I did this about 2 years ago and it is still going strong. Couldn't see spending $40+ on one
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| Not Ranked : 0 score Yeah I made my own a while back as well. Been on the car now for 4 years and its been great. Add a heavy knob and things get even better IMO
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| Not Ranked : 0 score Is it possible to make some sort of gate so that the 6th gear is inaccessible? Sometimes at the track I want to downshift 5-4 and by mistake I go 5-6.
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(Thread Starter) | Not Ranked : 0 score I think something could easily be made to block out 6th gear, It could be made with some sort of on / off or quick release so you can lock it out at the track but then pull a pin or something so you can use 6th on the street.
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Yes, but that is only if you were to go for an extreme amount of shift throw reduction. Anything beyond 30% and you will start to see the issue of the boot rubbing. A poor bandaid fix to get to the 40% throw reduction is to use a standoff. The standoff puts the cable on a sharp angle and it can cause cable bind. Also the angle of the cable on the forward / backwards linkage can cause the shift tower to want to drop / rise(what it does on side to side shifter throws) during forwards & backwards shifter throws.
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(Thread Starter) | Not Ranked : 0 score The farthest setting on a JBR ssp is 40% Also I am not sure how the linkage is on a speed 6, but I presume it is different than on the 3
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But I too have never liked the shifting feel of this car. I feel it improved greatly with the DM mounts, but the actual shift still leaves quite a bit to be desired.
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It's true that the two arrangements are very slightly different between the MS3/MS6, but the differences are primarily on the end of the shifter assembly in the cabin. On the transmission-end of things, where the plates attach, things are all but identical. This is why JBR started selling plates labeled, "JBR" instead of "Speed3" and "Speed6."
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| Not Ranked : 0 score I actually loved the way my Sure shift plate made the car shift but took it off cause the cables were too close for my liking. Would really like something close to that feel again without the worry of the cables rubbing.
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(Thread Starter) | Not Ranked : 0 score I am working with a fabricator for this project. I designed it and he can keep making them. its something he would probably list up on his site for sale in the near future if people love them as much as I do. He has a few extra samples of this design that he cut that he is giving me to give out to a couple other people to test out. The way my car feels now is the best and most consistent shift feel / performance it has ever had. It could be just me, or my car so I want to get some of these out in other peoples hands to test out.
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But I am well modded and can really give an objective review. I'm willing to pay for shipping and whatever. I'm curious to see how your setup feels. Like i said I have nothing to compare to really but I really love your enthusiasm in your description of how much you like them. in short LET ME TEST IT PLEASE!
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| Not Ranked : 0 score I'll test one if you're interested. Car is almost stock, this would be the only shifting mod besides a cobb knob. Don't even have a rmm in yet. Was planning to get a plate anyway, had a jbr on my juan and it needs replacing.
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| Not Ranked : 0 score I think it would be better to rebuild the stock shifter as a 4 way adjustable unit, rather than running an SSP.
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| Not Ranked : 0 score I would be willing to test one and compare it to Sure, MD as well as how it feels paired with a full replacement shifter. I am also fully mounted so it would be pure shift feel based on plate design.
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(Thread Starter) | Not Ranked : 0 score I have some locals lined up to test out the plates right now. I will have them post up their opinions and see if I am crazy or not. If someone backs out I will have a freebie to ship out and go in order of interest from this thread.
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(Thread Starter) | Not Ranked : 0 score I honestly thought for the longest time that the shape of the stock weight didn't matter and that offsetting the weight like oem was not needed. I have found out through testing that making the weight offset does improve the shift feel. The hammer design is not by coincidence. If you look carefully, the bolt holes are actually not centered in the weight either. I've tested this a bunch of different ways and the offset weight design has the smoothest engagement into gears while still providing the solid feel while dropping into gear. The car hits every gear perfectly now, does not fight to get into first at a stop like it had done every so often before and overall the shifter feels like it is directly attached to the transmission now (like a RWD car)
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| Not Ranked : 0 score I would love to try this. I almost want to get the TWM replacement, but fuck paying $500 for that...
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| Let's not forget about removing "slop" from the assembly. There's a surprising amount of play in each of the joints in the system.
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| Not Ranked : 0 score The slop has bothered me from day one also. And I hate to say it but this cable tranny makes me miss the transmission in my Honda that was linkage driven. Much tighter and accurate
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