CP-e Driver's side mount...Fucking Fail

[Cataphract_40]

Short version: Driving down the highway, CP-e driver's side engine mount fails and fucks shit up.


Long version: So there I was...driving down the highway. Not doing anything crazy or wild, it was a little bumpy but nothing too bad. Suddenly...a terrible rhythmic creaking, cracking noise...my first impulse is 'well, shit...my fuel pump internals that I just installed have shit the bed...fuck.'

I immediately shift into neutral and coast...but the rhythmic creaking doesn't stop. Ok, I say, can't be the fuel pump...the RPMs dropped but the noise is the same. As I take the nearest exit, and coast to a stop, the creaking slows and stops too. Fuck, it must be drivetrain-related...either shocks have gone or a mount has gone. I also notice that the creaking sound is MUCH worse when turning left. That indicates possible CV joint noise...

I drive straight home and this is what greets me: (engine was lopsided in bay, I immediately propped it up with my jack)



The engine mount has actually broken apart!!





The engine slumping in the bay has caused the CV joint to rub against the suspension...CV joint is indeed fucked





So it looks like this mount lasts about four months. Installed it in January and it has now failed. Awesome

Fuck my entire couch


Update:
CP-e is willing to pay for a new CV boot, see post #176. They are also emailing owners of this mount directly to let them know about the loctite situation.

Update: (see post #203)

Went to the dealership today. On the advice from a few people on this forum, I went to Bob Moore Mazda in OKC. The service manager is a very cool guy. I told him what happened...and the verdict from the dealership is...good news and bad news

THE BAD NEWS

Mazda no longer produces or supports (or whatever) the CV boot that is messed up. The dealership has no choice but to order an entire new axle.

THE GOOD NEWS

It looks like they are going to cover it 100% under the powertrain warranty.

I was very upfront with the service manager about the mods, didn't try to hide anything from him. Hell I even left my AP in the car when I turned over the keys. He straight up said that he didn't care that there were aftermarket mounts on the car. He seems to be very mod-friendly

So it looks like this fail situation is turning around!! :phillyb:

[redneckrecon]

Lenny just pust those on!!! hahahaha

[saitek]

Did the black allen bolts actually break/back out over time/stripped threads? Cpe put a bulletin about applying some locktite on the allen bolts but it is a bit of work for those who already installed the mount.

In any case, sucks that it happened to you. Hope it's taken care of.

[Cataphract_40]

The big silver bushing is held to the black plate by 8 little screws (You can see two of them in one of the pictures)

Three of them are still there. Five have just fucking vanished

[phillyb]

god fucking damnit.
well that shit sucks. 2 years of development. lol

[zx2man]

WOW...holy sheep shit...that sucks big cock.

And I ALMOST got the cp-e trans mount lastnight,hmmmm...Think ill stay safe and get the TRZ.

The cpe peice looks pretty sturdy, weird how it just simply fell apart. Shitty to hear man.

[Sacrilicious]

holy shit...looks like the bolts holding the bushing housing down completely snapped. did you put them all in and torque it down properly? you definitely need to call up cpe and get this addressed. if all the bolts are screwed in, that means they need to provide stronger bolts...

EDIT: nm...looks like they backed out?

[Cataphract_40]

Originally Posted by saitek Cpe put a bulletin about applying some locktite on the 6 allen bolts.

When? I never saw any bulletin, and they certainly didn't send me any email about this

[phillyb]

yes, but did you loctite those allens?
bulletin - cp-eTM xFlex Engine Mounts Recommendations and Notes

[DaleNixon]

Really confused about what broke here. Did anything on the mount break? Or did those bolts back out?

Edit: Nevermind, I see it now. FYCN

[Sacrilicious]

Originally Posted by Cataphract_40 When? I never saw any bulletin, and they certainly didn't send me any email about this

ya, you should definitely call this in. i don't know what the deal will be, but this should be taken care of at some level...

[Cataphract_40]

Originally Posted by phillyb yes, but did you loctite those allens? bulletin - cp-eTM xFlex Engine Mounts Recommendations and Notes

Awesome, it would have been great to know this back in January when I installed the mount...

I followed the instructions they gave me to the letter:



That's all it says about the 8 allen bolts in the instructions I was given, and followed, in January

[phillyb]

they're gonna be like, "but we posted this on the forums"
and then you reply with, "but you also refuse to get on the forums now and surely you can't believe that everyone who purchases your mounts is on msf"
and they'll be like, "don't call me shirley"
and you'll hang up on them and have about 2k in damages that you'll need to fix.
enjoy dan.

[saitek]

Imo, I think cpe probably used some kind of locktite on those bolts during their r&d period but forgot to include that in the instructions. Not sure if it was just my copy, but the instructions were poorly written, not to mention with multiple typos.

[I Love Brownies]

2 weeks

[Cataphract_40]

Originally Posted by ms307nm 2 weeks

sounds about right lol

[bova]

why doesn't this come pre-assembled?

[Spirry]

Common sense to put locktite on something that important. But I do agree, it should have been in the instructions and you should have been notified about this. Captain Hind Sight checking out!

[xcoldricex]

iirc there was blue loctite on my bolts already - so i didn't add any. but now the bulletin says red loctite. looks like i should take it apart sooner than later ugh.

[turd burglar]

Fuck i need to check mine. I locktite'd em but i still dont trust it now. Im no engineer but when i first put this in i thought, why the fuck wouldnt they just make this one piece, and the answer is cuz they wanted to show off their cnc machine, literally there is NO FUCKING REASON to have this thing in 2 pieces like that. Way to go cpe, i may just purchase another trz mount and sell this thing at this rate

[Raider]

Time to call and email them when you get their voicemail. If you bought from them, they have your email and should have sent a notice. Or mailed out something like a "your shit's gonna fall out" notice.

@Spilly is right on about putting Loctite on though. But if you have not done it before, it might not be thought to do. The center bolt on my TRZ trans has half a tube of Red Loctite on it, which will require an act of God to remove it, I think.

At least the engine did not fall out completely. Axle is fucked though for sure.

[bova]

Originally Posted by turd burglar Fuck i need to check mine. I locktite'd em but i still dont trust it now. Im no engineer but when i first put this in i thought, why the fuck wouldnt they just make this one piece, and the answer is cuz they wanted to show off their cnc machine, literally there is NO FUCKING REASON to have this thing in 2 pieces like that. Way to go cpe, i may just purchase another trz mount and sell this thing at this rate

seriously, they should just weld them together or made it from one piece from the start.

[rtabagaboy]

I have one of these. I used loctite... should I be worried? OP did you use loctite? Is there a difference between red & blue? In for more pics when disassembled.

[turd burglar]

welding em may be what i end up doin. I just knew somethin was sketch about the design

[wankular]

So those eight little bolts are the only thing holding that plate to the bushing? Why wouldn't they somehow weld the bushing to the plate?

edit: 3rd times a charm.

[08.5MS3]

Sorry to hear about this. I was thinking it was the heli-coil you had gotten installed..then I saw the rest of the pictures.

It's unfortunate to have happened and I'm sorry to see that it did. Nevertheless, I'm wondering how much the loc-tite is to help.

Definitely contact them. They should have the responsibility of contacting their customers who ordered these mounts when they came out with the bulletin. Their vendors should have done the same. Much like they do not use the forums all the time, not everyone checks in on their sticky's.

I notice cp-e is viewing this thread, hopefully they can chime in.

Originally Posted by rtabagaboy I have one of these. I used loctite... should I be worried? OP did you use loctite? Is there a difference between red & blue? In for more pics when disassembled.

Red = permanent
Blue = not permanent

Loctite

Originally Posted by wankular So those eight little bolts are the only thing holding that plate to the bushing?

Yes. The plate on the bottom is then secured to 3 places on the transmission. Plate on top sits across the bushing with the bolt going through the bushing and the mount then mounts to 4 places on the frame rail.

[Cataphract_40]

Just sent my email to CP-e. Now I just have to wait for their response.

I called their phone line first, someone did pick up and told me to send them an email with pictures.

[Lex]

The mount is aluminum and plate is steel correct? You can't weld those together. Little bolts are not the answer either ... esp in a high vibration area. A one piece mount would have been good.

But not BILLET!!!!!!!!

[MattJackson86]

Originally Posted by Cataphract_40 When? I never saw any bulletin, and they certainly didn't send me any email about this

Yea? What bulletin?!?! I was one of the first people to install the mount and have seen no bulletin about this. I do believe I used blue loctite anyways, but now im worried...

[phillyb]

jadams@cp-e.com - owner
pibey@cp-e.com - the only one worth talking to at cpe, but i doubt she can help you.
smarques@cp-e.com - one of the two guys who posts as www.cp-e.com

[Lex]

Also not sure how you guys drive yo shit but with a Corksport rear mount insert (after my CPE bushing failed) and an Ignalls dampner and all other mounts OEM I don't see why you'd want anything stiffer.

[rebelgirl289]

karma much?

[Cataphract_40]

Originally Posted by MattJackson86 Yea? What bulletin?!?! I was one of the first people to install the mount and have seen no bulletin about this. I do believe I used blue loctite anyways, but now im worried...

I would be very cautious dude...you might be in for a bad experience pretty soon

[MattJackson86]

Seriously. Im gonna call and find out whats up. Installed mine around January 4th. Already done 1 track day too.

[08.5MS3]

Originally Posted by MattJackson86 Yea? What bulletin?!?! I was one of the first people to install the mount and have seen no bulletin about this. I do believe I used blue loctite anyways, but now im worried...

Originally Posted by phillyb yes, but did you loctite those allens? bulletin - cp-eTM xFlex Engine Mounts Recommendations and Notes

Read through the thread.

[turd burglar]

Those bolts are MAYBE half an inch long. And they are allan heads so you cant torque em very well. And now i just realized i dont even have the stud that you remove from the transmission when you install the cpe, so hopefully cpe's got a stockpile of those studs and that tripod thing lyin around cuz they might just be seein their fan base disappear on this one

[MattJackson86]

Originally Posted by phillyb yes, but did you loctite those allens? bulletin - cp-eTM xFlex Engine Mounts Recommendations and Notes

That is not much of a bulletin....It needed to be a little more urgent than an FYI.

[08.5MS3]

Originally Posted by MattJackson86 That is not much of a bulletin....It needed to be a little more urgent than an FYI.

And I totally agree. I meant, read through this thread! I posted my thoughts on the matter of this bulletin a few posts up. Customers who bought directly from cp-e and their vendors should have been notified of this. Not a forum bulletin.

[doubleflusher]

I'm going to check mine when I get home.

I installed the set 2 weeks ago.

My instructions did, however, contain the note on using loctite.

[phillyb]

Originally Posted by turd burglar Those bolts are MAYBE half an inch long. And they are allan heads so you cant torque em very well. And now i just realized i dont even have the stud that you remove from the transmission when you install the cpe, so hopefully cpe's got a stockpile of those studs and that tripod thing lyin around cuz they might just be seein their fan base disappear on this one

they're losing their fan base based upon this and this and this and this and very importantly this which tells msf that they will not be around on msf much

so fuck em. they're falling hard.

Originally Posted by MattJackson86 That is not much of a bulletin....It needed to be a little more urgent than an FYI.

i don't disagree at all. they should have emailed everyone or whatever.
posting an fyi that has 160 views is pathetic.