big turbo anyone? 3071r installed.....

[mrlilguy157]

Okay okay okay... so here's been my schedule for the last few days. My buddy Kevin and I have been teamworking the car. He's learned alot, good for him. Unfortunately, he's learning at my expense. He worked the top of the car, while I was under it getting dirty.

Sunday afternoon - rip apart car in anticipation of the new turbo on tuesday. I got the Intercooler, ECU, battery box, manifold, turbo, and downpipe all out, and impatiently awaited the new turbo.

Tuesday afternoon (315pm). i picked up the BEAST from the mailing center and went to my apartment to unpackage it. Its huge (loook at the pic). So, about 10minutes later, i'm in the parking lot. We dropped the turbo down, put the manifold back on, mounted the turbo up, and ran all the oil and coolant lines. The oil feed line has to be bent to get in the proper position for the new turbo. Coolant lines are ran, I gashed another finger, the usual. My hands have been black for the past few days, grossss.

Anywho. We get everything mounted up, including my new wideband and the new 3" TXS downpipe, which fits perfectly with the stock catback and the TXS midpipe, I'm very pleased about that. Easier than expected!

9pm tuesday - Everything is back together, I get the IC back on, my custom turbo inlet, which now has a bigger extension to make a cold air intake (I had to, there wasn't enough room for a short ram). I crank the car over, it sounds mean! I love the new exhaust, but I have an exhaust leak, as well as a coolant leak, and minor oil drippage. Lame x2

Wednesday morning:

When I bent the oil feed line, i think where it feeds out of the block became loose or cracked- I get a slow leak from it., therefore I have to remove the alternator. and get behind there to fix it (sucks). I have another stock oil feed line, so that should be an easy fix.

The coolant leak was a simple hoseclamp I didn't tighten. No biggy - got that fixed up.

The exhaust leak on the other hand... dun dun dun.....

I got checked the manifold to head nuts, all top and bottom are plenty tight. I went to check the turbo to manifold nuts and studs.... ERG.

They were all loose, but wait, no they werent. they're cross threaded. thanks Kevin. So, I was able to replace 2 of the studs with others that I have, and new nuts as well. The other 2 on there aren't looking so good. I've got 1 nut on that is just spinning in the same spot. It wont loosen, it wont tighten.... I'll have to drill out the sides or dremel it off. The 4th stud, while loosening, was so jammed up that it actually BROKE the stud in the turbo. Thankfully, all I ahve to do is drop the turbo and unthread it, and pop a new one in there. Everything is going to be fine.... I just need time, which I don't have.

here is the turbo next to the stocker on the kitchen island. I'll keep this thread updated with dynos and its open for cussing and discussing the situation. I'll be busy for the next few days.

[phailerider]

dude that sucks for you.

We'll see how the "professional" install goes on mine. I'll buzz you if it gets going today.

I may be the first afterall

[digitaljedi]

that turbo is sexy! good luck, i'd offer to help if i was local.

[ultraspeed619]

damn that turbo looks huge next to the lil KO4!!! Good luck on getting everything fixed and hope to hear some driving impressions soon...

[Jesse MS3GT]

All that turbo seems to be saying is "Say hello to my lag, but once I kick in you will be eating youre nuts"

The only thing I hate about big turbos and small engines

Looks good though. Kicks your buddys ass, though!

[Laloosh]

Originally Posted by palerider dude that sucks for you. We'll see how the "professional" install goes on mine. I'll buzz you if it gets going today. I may be the first afterall

When is the official day randy?

[mrlilguy157]

muhahahahahaha. I'm the first to have mine on and driving.

I got under the car and fixed that coolant leak early this morning. I then got frustrated and post poned everything to this afternoon. I called a buddy, who knows nothing of cars, and he came to help. He did exactly what I wanted, and nothing I didnt. He was scared to, especially after my story of Kevin.

Anywho, Oil leak was the feed line as suspected. The bolt that holds it into the block was loose from me moving it around. I was able to get to it without removing the alternator.

1 stud was fixed, the other wasn't. I am currently rockin' 3 studs, instead of the 4, but I have no audible exhaust leak.

More updates later, I gotta drive!

[Davidb]

Can't wait to hear the updates....

This thread it completely useless without pictures and videos

[phailerider]

Originally Posted by Laloosh When is the official day randy?

the turbo showed up yesterday.... but was scheduled to be delivered today. That screwed up Marks schedule a little..... hes short staffed at the shop and is doing the work himself. And then I got bumped by dcr for some emergency bullshit up in Virginia.

So in a nutshell. I dont have any clue. But Ive been promised the car by the end of the week. It makes it worse.....

That I just talked to Jon!!!!!...

He is so stoked.. Hes running 13psi and the car is out of control he claims. He thinks he picked up at least 30-40 hp with the dp and turbo. He said he laid rubber all the way through 3rd, and....

TOTAL POWER ALL THROUGH REDLINE!!!!!

and this at just 13 psi. WOT the car is running 10.5-11.0 a/f...lol

Im so fucking stoked....lol He said absolutely no regrets... when boost hits the passengers are totally "oh shit"..

I'll let him tell the rest... hes got a "hot date" tonight as well... so hell be back in later...

[Laloosh]

hopefully those a/f ratios stay down at 18psi

Good luck with the whip randy, you better post results or else im not ordering any vitamins

[phailerider]

Oh I'll post results...lol Who else around here already has damn 30 dynos posted? Just wait till I get my turbo installed...you'll see some data all right.

BTW

Jon said absolutely no hesitation or fuel cut... I guess that was assumed... but can you imagine if we get this thing going... with good fuel trims. Hes confident that the a/f will stay good... me too. I think the car will cut before it goes too lean.

[phailerider]

I just read an email that ATP sent to Jon regarding last minute tips for the install and potential this or that...

The highlights.... all on the stock pump remember were...

1. make sure everything is tight..lol
2. bcd
3. atp 3 in maf extension..... and they went on too elaborate that they felt the 3in maf was "critical". Thats right they said it was "critical" to their tuning of the turbo.

What the hell does everyone make of that shit?

[yup24z]

How are people going to be controlling boost with this turbo? Sounds stupid...lol...but is it an adjustable wastegate? Do we know how strong of a spring is in the wga? I'm assuming we'll all be running inline mbc's of somesort...

[yup24z]

just saw your above post....I was wondering if the bcd was necessary....guess it is!

[driver311]

So lets hear some updates. Turn it up to 15psi and tell us what the afrs are?????

I see there is two nipples on the stocker. What is the second one for? I didnt know it was there.

[phailerider]

Originally Posted by yup24z How are people going to be controlling boost with this turbo? Sounds stupid...lol...but is it an adjustable wastegate? Do we know how strong of a spring is in the wga? I'm assuming we'll all be running inline mbc's of somesort...

Wastegate that comes with it is 1 bar(14.7 psi). Im going to control mine with the standback...lol

Originally Posted by driver311 So lets hear some updates. Turn it up to 15psi and tell us what the afrs are????? I see there is two nipples on the stocker. What is the second one for? I didnt know it was there.

He said he had a hot date tonight.... Im not shittin. We'll have to ask for more than just turbo pics I know his plan was to turn it up tonight, and hes got his wideband installed as well. I think he said 15.... I dont know.. Im probably stealing all his thunder, but it serves him right for prioritizing some chick he met at a ballgame for all of us... goddamit.

[Laloosh]

Im really curiou show a 3 in maf housing that is going to make the car run lean is crutial to making a bt run lol

[phailerider]

Originally Posted by Laloosh Im really curiou show a 3 in maf housing that is going to make the car run lean is crutial to making a bt run lol

Yeah I know. I was stunned when I saw that. How is it that if we trick the ecu by giving it more air, on a car that we worry about fuel.... that we then develop a "critical" element for tuning. I about choked when I saw the email, but they reiterated twice the word "critical" when they refered to it.

Im going with the cobb I think. The less air, with the straightener will hopefully make the car want to run rich... hell Im even tempted to put the damn stock box in while I learn this baby.

What would be wrong with that even?

[Laloosh]

Personally I think its bullshit that they even reached 370whp, but hey we're all entitled to our opinions. I think Jon is going to be in for a rude awakening at 18psi.

[driver311]

Im really curious to see what happens to the afrs at 18psi. What intake is he running????

Ps. That turbo will be way into its efficiency range at 18psi and making decent power. I hope all is good.

[phailerider]

jons got turbo xs sri... i dont even remember what he said the diameter was....maybe it was 3in actually. I dont know.

[phailerider]

Originally Posted by Laloosh Personally I think its bullshit that they even reached 370whp, but hey we're all entitled to our opinions. I think Jon is going to be in for a rude awakening at 18psi.

I know. I'm worried a little too. Good thing I have something I can tune with right?

[driver311]

Originally Posted by palerider jons got turbo xs sri... i dont even remember what he said the diameter was....maybe it was 3in actually. I dont know.

they dont make a sri. Did he cut it?

[driver311]

Originally Posted by palerider I know. I'm worried a little too. Good thing I have something I can tune with right?

wrong, you dont wanna add fuel with the standback. I dont see you needing to lean it out. LOL

[Laloosh]

my car fully bolted ran lean on the stock turbo, i think its safe to assume this gt30 is gonna push alot more air at 18psi then my lil k04

[phailerider]

I was kidding and yeah I think he cut it.

Look... I dont doubt the thing will run lean... but lets not forget that kens car had fuel to pull at 18 psi.... on the stock pump. I just wouldnt bet aginst it being fine. I think this ecu is smarter than we are right now. Who knows what causes what.

As long as hes cautious raising it.. I think he'll be fine. I'll probably run mine at 15 for just around town.

BTW... I had a nice talk with John today at ptp. Ive all but decided that Im gonna talk to dcr as soon as this thing is on about a secondary fueling system. Apparently there IS a car in Florida making 450-460. Hes doing it with water/meth on a seperate rail and injectors... they only kick in when the car boosts.

I dont care if I put another fuel tank, or rail on the car. Im gonna make safe power.

[Laloosh]

kens car is making a whole 329 whp fully bolted and trapping a whole 106mph in the 1/4. Im sorry but 330whp and 3500 traps more than 106....

[phailerider]

Originally Posted by driver311 wrong, you dont wanna add fuel with the standback. I dont see you needing to lean it out. LOL

I was kidding totally. this was meant to lose a little nervous energy. I think after seeing all 20 of my dynos where we were trying to add fuel that this experiment is OVER.

Standback is for boost and potentially a secondary fuel system which is available on v2.

[phailerider]

Originally Posted by Laloosh kens car is making a whole 329 whp fully bolted and trapping a whole 106mph in the 1/4. Im sorry but 330whp and 3500 traps more than 106....

how far off are the numbers.... I didnt realize it was that low a trap. Can we vouch for his driving? thats probably what I'll trap...lol

either way its 18psi on a 2.3 disi, with a gt3071. I dont believe that Ken would make up a number on the psi...even if the dyno number was jacked. That number seems right in line with what atp is claiming. Plus Jon was fucking raving about his car... he comes from 350whp vws. I d hope he knows what that feels like.

[Laloosh]

a trained monkey can get a trap speed lol. Et on the other hand is a lil harder.

As far as jon cars, how is he boosting 12-13 psi with a 14lb wastegate spring?

[phailerider]

Originally Posted by Laloosh a trained monkey can get a trap speed lol. Et on the other hand is a lil harder. As far as jon cars, how is he boosting 12-13 psi with a 14lb wastegate spring?

hmmmm... you tell me!!! He did say hes babying it and got a little surge at one point. i'll shut up and let him answer that. But he did say 13.

[Haltech]

Finally were getting somewhere! Dont be greedy at first, turn it up slowly!

[driver311]

I think 13psi on a 14psi spring is right on par. I see this all the time. Settle down there Chris. LOL

[Laloosh]

i dunnooooooo but well c
Hopefully he goes out there at 18psi and hit a nice 120 trap

[driver311]

Originally Posted by Laloosh i dunnooooooo but well c Hopefully he goes out there at 18psi and hit a nice 120 trap

wishful thinking. would be sweet though. I just wanna see 115traps first.

[driver311]

Originally Posted by Haltech Finally were getting somewhere! Dont be greedy at first, turn it up slowly!

Id play at 15psi for awhile and see what goes down. Monitor egts, afrs, knock and go from there.

[occschemguy]

cant wait to see some real results on how this goes maybe some of his info will help me on my bulid down the road!

[mrlilguy157]

lol. sorry for the late updates. i'm out to class now! i'll be back at 1030 (its 830).

the car is great - but i think a new clutch is necessary. i'll have a long update and some pics of my 3 studded turbo soon. lol

[Laloosh]

new clutch? How are people frying these clutches so quick?

[dadasracecar]

Originally Posted by Laloosh kens car is making a whole 329 whp fully bolted and trapping a whole 106mph in the 1/4. Im sorry but 330whp and 3500 traps more than 106....

If you look at the posted dynos, they made those numbers on the first run and it looked like it was knocking. Every run after that made less power and torque but the curves were flatter and extended over the rpm range. The last run was 321/334 but a much more usable and smooth curve. I'm betting that's the one he's running around on. See for yourself.
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