big turbo anyone? 3071r installed.....

I can see why a miata would be fun to race in but I can't justify getting a gay car. You would have gay dudes trying to holler at you all the time thinking you were one of them. Miatas are the whole reason mazdas are big with gays, they started with the miata and moved on to other mazdas like the 3 and 6.

[phailerider]

So the thought is that the clutch/flywheel/transmission grenaded at this point. Jon hasnt posted again but Ive talked to him and he swears that he was not in boost and possibly went 6th to 2nd shift on his sts. I personally think it was 6th to 4th. Highway speeds over 60mph.... it would have been TOTALLY obvious that the car was going into 7000-8000 territory if he had even been able to get it into gear in the first place. But he is sure he saw the needle in the 5000-6000 range as he was coming off the clutch.... thats when it went boom. Before the gear was fully engaged and certainly before he was on it in boost. He swears he wasnt in boost and I believe him.

Heres where it gets interesting...

On the third crank of the engine the car idled normally at stoich and didnt make any more metal/grinding noises. He could not engage the gears. If he blew the clutch he wouldnt have had any pressure in it, right?.... so maybe tranny... maybe flywheel and combination.... who knows.

I just find it hard to believe that his motor is gone if it idles normally and gives 14.7 a/fs.... he said he witnessed this for approximately 20-30 seconds the last time.

His one suggestion for me the last couple days was that I needed a new clutch.... 2nd and 3rd were "slipping" a little with all the new power. He may have screwed something there.

Im nervous as can be with my car about to be in my hands and this new turbo. It makes me think twice... thats for sure.

But its not like there arent others out there running fine.

oh well.... thoughts?

[yup24z]

Originally Posted by palerider So the thought is that the clutch/flywheel/transmission grenaded at this point. Jon hasnt posted again but Ive talked to him and he swears that he was not in boost and possibly went 6th to 2nd shift on his sts. I personally think it was 6th to 4th. Highway speeds over 60mph.... it would have been TOTALLY obvious that the car was going into 7000-8000 territory if he had even been able to get it into gear in the first place. But he is sure he saw the needle in the 5000-6000 range as he was coming off the clutch.... thats when it went boom. Before the gear was fully engaged and certainly before he was on it in boost. He swears he wasnt in boost and I believe him. Heres where it gets interesting... On the third crank of the engine the car idled normally at stoich and didnt make any more metal/grinding noises. He could not engage the gears. If he blew the clutch he wouldnt have had any pressure in it, right?.... so maybe tranny... maybe flywheel and combination.... who knows. I just find it hard to believe that his motor is gone if it idles normally and gives 14.7 a/fs.... he said he witnessed this for approximately 20-30 seconds the last time. His one suggestion for me the last couple days was that I needed a new clutch.... 2nd and 3rd were "slipping" a little with all the new power. He may have screwed something there. Im nervous as can be with my car about to be in my hands and this new turbo. It makes me think twice... thats for sure. But its not like there arent others out there running fine. oh well.... thoughts?

I'm sure you'll be fine bro. Just keep an eye on your a/f's and boost and I'm sure it will be pure bliss hammering down on that throttle. But I could imagine that the clutch would be slipping pretty bad at those hp levels. Hopefully these tranny's aren't like the ones in the last gen wrx....lol. When do you get the car back? Hitting dyno this weekend?

[winniep]

Hey palerider, how long were you on ole smokey before you changed the turbo? The reason I ask, I am going big turbo. I have decided. After talking to the dealership about my problem, the response I got has helped with this decision. Anyway, is this smoking issue technically hurting anything other than the environment, my oil lvl, and my pride? I will have all of the parts to make the leap within 4 months or less. My real question I guess is, am I ok to run smokey until which time I swap out? Considering the mods you have with smoking, did you run into any problems? I was thinking about map clamping so I could run my TMIC to tide me over . As long as afr is good, and I check the oil religiously, I'm golden, right?

[Haltech]

If he saw coolant below the bottom cover, not only is the tranny flywheel possible toast, but he squeezed a head gasket.

3 things would show coolant loss. Obviously, a blown head gasket since this was an unannounced downshift ( it could squeeze the gasket outward, causing the leak ), a cracked block ( ive seen this happen with violent downshifts, flywheel ending up cutting into the block ), or a blown coolant line...

Let's hope hope for the best Jon.. but i dont know how you went from 6th to 2nd like that... that is a long ass throw.

[phailerider]

Originally Posted by winniep Hey palerider, how long were you on ole smokey before you changed the turbo? The reason I ask, I am going big turbo. I have decided. After talking to the dealership about my problem, the response I got has helped with this decision. Anyway, is this smoking issue technically hurting anything other than the environment, my oil lvl, and my pride? I will have all of the parts to make the leap within 4 months or less. My real question I guess is, am I ok to run smokey until which time I swap out? Considering the mods you have with smoking, did you run into any problems? I was thinking about map clamping so I could run my TMIC to tide me over . As long as afr is good, and I check the oil religiously, I'm golden, right?

I dont think the turbo was hurting the engine... but I think it had something to do with my performance not being up to snuff on all my dynos. I didnt hold boost worth a shit compared to some of these cars out there.

I do think I was also having other issues. Fuel dilution being one of them. I may still have to deal with that. Right before I took the car in... I noticed after about 2500 miles on this oil change... well it was down half a quart and smelled gassy. For the shit of it I tried lighting it with a cig lighter and the shit popped a little, smoked and after about 5-6 seconds, actually caught fire and burned off....lol Well I dont think thats a 100% normal.... but Ive felt Ive had fuel dilution issues for most of the ownership of the car and thought Id pass that along for anybody else who wants to try.

I know that fuel has nothing to do with the turbo, but I would replace that turbo asap if you know you are eventually going to do it anyway... why not? maybe the smoke screwed my hiflow cat a little, probably not. I know I got oil through my intercooler though.. Not bad, just a residue... noticeable. Id just replace it in a couple months. I got 25,000 on my car and it would still pull fine... compression good. When I just changed my plugs they were not fouled really at all. so you should be all right

Originally Posted by Haltech If he saw coolant below the bottom cover, not only is the tranny flywheel possible toast, but he squeezed a head gasket. 3 things would show coolant loss. Obviously, a blown head gasket since this was an unannounced downshift ( it could squeeze the gasket outward, causing the leak ), a cracked block ( ive seen this happen with violent downshifts, flywheel ending up cutting into the block ), or a blown coolant line... Let's hope hope for the best Jon.. but i dont know how you went from 6th to 2nd like that... that is a long ass throw.

I agrre with the 6th to 2nd. That doesnt seem reasonable to me. I think he might have had issues before this. Thats why he kept mentioning his clutch to me before.

As far as the coolant.... he said he had coolant leaks on the turbo all during and after the install. The pics are from front passenger side though, right? The coolant also has me concerned because that doesnt go along with the tranny/ clutch/ flywheel diagnosis.

The oil light also came on... could that be pressure?

Im still kinda concerned. Im just gonna put it on and see what the hell happens. Im committed with this thing at this point so I really am just like..... screw it.

Update is my car is torn apart.... turbo, manifold, inlet, intakes.... everything is out. Just needs new stuff to go in. I'll drive it around , and get it on the dyno to play cautiously the day it gets done. You know I'll have updates by the hour when I get it in my hands.

[phailerider]

As far as that fuel dilution goes.... Id like to hear what you all have to say. Ive been researching the shit out of this quietly for months now and Ive heard that our cars if driven hard can get like 5% gas mixs.

Would 5% catch fire? And by the way... Ive been suspecting this for months. Every time I check the oil I smell it... ask others to smell it... try to light it alot..lol

Ive done the paper towel trick with my MDX, my car, my wifes brand new honda looking to see rings around the oil drops... Im kinda annoyed because the paper towel deal shows nothing...

But it smells gassy and catchs fire. Whaddya think? Think I got fuel dilution problems fellas

[Haltech]

Originally Posted by palerider I dont think the turbo was hurting the engine... but I think it had something to do with my performance not being up to snuff on all my dynos. I didnt hold boost worth a shit compared to some of these cars out there. I do think I was also having other issues. Fuel dilution being one of them. I may still have to deal with that. Right before I took the car in... I noticed after about 2500 miles on this oil change... well it was down half a quart and smelled gassy. For the shit of it I tried lighting it with a cig lighter and the shit popped a little, smoked and after about 5-6 seconds, actually caught fire and burned off....lol Well I dont think thats a 100% normal.... but Ive felt Ive had fuel dilution issues for most of the ownership of the car and thought Id pass that along for anybody else who wants to try. I would replace that turbo asap if you know you are eventually going to do it anyway... why not? I agrre with the 6th to 2nd. That doesnt seem reasonable to me. I think he might have had issues before this. Thats why he kept mentioning his clutch to me before. As far as the coolant.... he said he had coolant leaks on the turbo all during and after the install. The pics are from front passenger side though, right? The coolant also has me concerned because that doesnt go along with the tranny/ clutch/ flywheel diagnosis. The oil light also came on... could that be pressure? Im still kinda concerned. Im just gonna put it on and see what the hell happens. Im committed with this thing at this point so I really am just like..... screw it. Update is my car is torn apart.... turbo, manifold, inlet, intakes.... everything is out. Just needs new stuff to go in. I'll drive it around , and get it on the dyno to play cautiously the day it gets done. You know I'll have updates by the hour when I get it in my hands.

Yea, with an oil light, there is a loss of pressure somewhere. Oil lights arent good whatsoever. If he is lucky and nothing is wrong with the bottom end, than the top end has something going on. Purely sucks and i would hate to be in his shoes at this point. But in the end, he could rebuild it into a forged monster and kick everyones ass on here. lol Let's hope for the best Jonny Boy!

[Haltech]

Originally Posted by palerider As far as that fuel dilution goes.... Id like to hear what you all have to say. Ive been researching the shit out of this quietly for months now and Ive heard that our cars if driven hard can get like 5% gas mixs. Would 5% catch fire? And by the way... Ive been suspecting this for months. Every time I check the oil I smell it... ask others to smell it... try to light it alot..lol Ive done the paper towel trick with my MDX, my car, my wifes brand new honda looking to see rings around the oil drops... Im kinda annoyed because the paper towel deal shows nothing... But it smells gassy and catchs fire. Whaddya think? Think I got fuel dilution problems fellas

My truck has a stout fuel system and i get it. Im not concerned with a fire but hell if it happens, we get a new car and mazda gets a lawsuit! We will all end up with badass cars! I wouldnt sweat it.

[phailerider]

Originally Posted by Haltech My truck has a stout fuel system and i get it. Im not concerned with a fire but hell if it happens, we get a new car and mazda gets a lawsuit! We will all end up with badass cars! I wouldnt sweat it.

lol... Im not talking about the engine catching fire.. Im saying that if my oil was diluted 5% with fuel... would a cig lighter catch it on fire?

Or would that be more than 5%? Im not really worried. Mostly annoyed. But certainly I would like to hear if anybody had any concerns.

Youve already alleviated that a bit.... this has been going on so long anyway.

[winniep]

Originally Posted by Haltech Theres a guy who shows up to my local strip religiously, each week with a shit tan colored dodge omni turbo.. it runs 11.7's all day long.

Those Omnis are freakin FAST! Especially if it was the Shelby.............

It's a mistake any of us can make. I am sad to hear it.

[ptperformance]

Originally Posted by palerider So the thought is that the clutch/flywheel/transmission grenaded at this point. Jon hasnt posted again but Ive talked to him and he swears that he was not in boost and possibly went 6th to 2nd shift on his sts. I personally think it was 6th to 4th. Highway speeds over 60mph.... it would have been TOTALLY obvious that the car was going into 7000-8000 territory if he had even been able to get it into gear in the first place. But he is sure he saw the needle in the 5000-6000 range as he was coming off the clutch.... thats when it went boom. Before the gear was fully engaged and certainly before he was on it in boost. He swears he wasnt in boost and I believe him. Heres where it gets interesting... On the third crank of the engine the car idled normally at stoich and didnt make any more metal/grinding noises. He could not engage the gears. If he blew the clutch he wouldnt have had any pressure in it, right?.... so maybe tranny... maybe flywheel and combination.... who knows. I just find it hard to believe that his motor is gone if it idles normally and gives 14.7 a/fs.... he said he witnessed this for approximately 20-30 seconds the last time. His one suggestion for me the last couple days was that I needed a new clutch.... 2nd and 3rd were "slipping" a little with all the new power. He may have screwed something there. Im nervous as can be with my car about to be in my hands and this new turbo. It makes me think twice... thats for sure. But its not like there arent others out there running fine. oh well.... thoughts?

Dual mass flywheel took a shit on him. I can see this being a huge issue with this car. Just like the SVT Focus had. We have to get some one to build a flywheel for this car!!!!

This is just a guess and another guess would be that the balance shaft assembly dropped out of the bottom on him. That might take out the pump when it lets go.

[Haltech]

Who makes the new flywheels for the SRT guys? Maybe we can get something built for us as well?

[Laloosh]

Leaky coolant like haltec said is most likly the head gasket

Oil Light like John said is most likly the balance shafts, you need to realize that they spin at double the engines rpms. Just cause he saw 6k on the tac doesnt mean it wasnt higher.

I guess we will all c, btw i told you a 3 inch maf housing is going to cause a cel.

[Haltech]

Originally Posted by Laloosh Leaky coolant like haltec said is most likly the head gasket Oil Light like John said is most likly the balance shafts, you need to realize that they spin at double the engines rpms. Just cause he saw 6k on the tac doesnt mean it wasnt higher. I guess we will all c, btw i told you a 3 inch maf housing is going to cause a cel.

You are the "KING" of CEL's mate!

[Laloosh]

actually i've only had two with this car lol.
No cat, and the lean cel after the 3 in

[ptperformance]

Originally Posted by Haltech Who makes the new flywheels for the SRT guys? Maybe we can get something built for us as well?

I have been beating up on them for the last year. Its like the don't care but when people start to mod these and the DM flywheels start coming apart.... duh we need something before this starts to happen. I will call Fidanza again Monday to see if they have changed ther minds on it. If not??? I have a local machine shop that has been bugging me for a while to get them something. They have a full 4 axis machine that could whip them out pretty quick. I may have to pony up myself and get this done.

[ptperformance]

Originally Posted by Laloosh actually i've only had two with this car lol. No cat, and the lean cel after the 3 in

I think I have a fix for the no cat code. The MAF code is easy to fix. Get a SAFC or another way to tune the MAF sensor so it sees the correct voltage where its setting the code vs letting the housing flow affect the stock readings.

[Laloosh]

many cars have DM flywheels out, what exactly would cause one to come apart

[Laloosh]

Originally Posted by ptperformance I think I have a fix for the no cat code. The MAF code is easy to fix. Get a SAFC or another way to tune the MAF sensor so it sees the correct voltage where its setting the code vs letting the housing flow affect the stock readings.

the cat code fix is solved by 2 spark plug none foulers.

My 3inch maf code was fixed by sticking a coupler inside the pipe, making a smooth transition by knife edging the ends and using silicone to smooth it out. Its getto, but not at least it runs right. I called corksport and i cant beleive they're selling this thing

[ptperformance]

Originally Posted by Laloosh many cars have DM flywheels out, what exactly would cause one to come apart

Poor design. Again this is another case of engineers doing there job. The DM flywheels can only take so much abuse and when you go over that level, boom.

Now the real problem is down shifting. The DM units are great for under power applications, but down shifting they don't have the saftey measures there like when under power. Load one up then reverse load it and you will see damage and or some crazy ass noises coming from under the car.

When I read that they had a dual mass FW in them I couldn't believe it. There have been more failures of DM flywheels in high performance applications then anyother on the market. Its like they just don't get it (the engineers).

[ptperformance]

Originally Posted by Laloosh the cat code fix is solved by 2 spark plug none foulers. My 3inch maf code was fixed by sticking a coupler inside the pipe, making a smooth transition by knife edging the ends and using silicone to smooth it out. Its getto, but not at least it runs right. I called corksport and i cant beleive they're selling this thing

That is what I was going to send you.

So question for you. If I were to make a tappered pipe with a smooth transistion to 2.ish inches it wouldn't set a code? I have been thinking of doing this from some time now but have not wanted to fail at it. Hmmm, now you have me wondering if this is going to be easier then I thought. I have the equipment at my dissposal to use and built something fairly quick. Looks like I will be doing something soon for affordable intakes.

[Haltech]

Originally Posted by ptperformance Poor design. Again this is another case of engineers doing there job. The DM flywheels can only take so much abuse and when you go over that level, boom. Now the real problem is down shifting. The DM units are great for under power applications, but down shifting they don't have the saftey measures there like when under power. Load one up then reverse load it and you will see damage and or some crazy ass noises coming from under the car. When I read that they had a dual mass FW in them I couldn't believe it. There have been more failures of DM flywheels in high performance applications then anyother on the market. Its like they just don't get it (the engineers).

You can thank Ford for that one... The profit they are making off this car is insane. Remember this engine was originally slated for the 05 SVTF and they had done their homework on what they could get away with to save as much $$ as possible.

[Laloosh]

Originally Posted by ptperformance That is what I was going to send you. So question for you. If I were to make a tappered pipe with a smooth transistion to 2.ish inches it wouldn't set a code? I have been thinking of doing this from some time now but have not wanted to fail at it. Hmmm, now you have me wondering if this is going to be easier then I thought. I have the equipment at my dissposal to use and built something fairly quick. Looks like I will be doing something soon for affordable intakes.

The spark plug no fouler work 100 percent

The maf housing works 100 percent as well. My car went from throwing lean codes and being an on off switch right when it hits boost to driving smoother than stock. Make sure your intake has a 2.6x maf diameter and is at least 6 inches away from any 90 degree bends lol. It really is that simple, shame 90 percent of the companies can't figure it out

[occschemguy]

i think he killed the clutch, the stock clutch sucks thats why im going with the Spec Clutch Stage 4 on my build i replaced the clutch once at 10,000 and have 20,000 on it now and dont want to take a chance.

[Haltech]

ill be honest with you, i dont think a stage 4 is a good idea. I think somethings going to go wrong with some with that much clamping force. Either your input shaft or your flywheel.

[mrlilguy157]

reading this thread and comments makes me sick. at least I do have the spare trans, motor and head, as well as a flywheel.

clutch upgrade will be taken care of. I don't want a spec clutch though. everywhere i look i see them going out pre-maturely.

i'm hoping for the best. The thing is: the car started when i tried to crank it over, and blowing a head gasket? the car wasn't under boost or load. I don't know. I'm thinking logical, or trying to at least. I'll be out of town all week, so they probably won't start on my car until next monday, which is fine. I can be out for a few weeks. It'll take time for parts to get in anyways. I can pay the labor through the dealer and they'll put on anything I want them to. I thought that was nice.

They're gonna freak when they see the self-made turbo inlet/CAI though, as well as the new snail.

I don't know... I went out with the boys tonight (we're all VW nerdzzzzz). Everyone is still sold on a blown clutch/flywheel combo, and potentially transmission. We'll see.

[Haltech]

Well, i never seen a oil light come on from a blown trans, flywheel or clutch. You're very lucky you have spare parts on hand. Wishing you the best there Jon.

[Laloosh]

well if the flywheel grenaded he could have possibly ruined his rear main seal cuasing a massive leak...?

[yup24z]

Pale....Anything on your install yet?

Patience>me

[phailerider]

Originally Posted by yup24z Pale....Anything on your install yet? Patience>me

Cars torn down... Im doing the install professionally and the garage is backed up. Hes getting to it as he can. Im hoping for Mon.-Tues this coming week. Im gonna break it in on the dyno.... so if she doesnt blow I'll have lots of info.

[yup24z]

Originally Posted by palerider Cars torn down... Im doing the install professionally and the garage is backed up. Hes getting to it as he can. Im hoping for Mon.-Tues this coming week. Im gonna break it in on the dyno.... so if she doesnt blow I'll have lots of info.

I'm keeping my fingers crossed for you....I'm sure you'll be fine though. ATP's shop car is running this turbo right? Have we heard of any issues with that one?

[mrlilguy157]

ATP's car is running top notch as far as I know. The guy did say a new clutch was needed.

Throughout this, I'll most likely be upgrading to Spec Stage 3+. That's the best streetable clutch they offer. After reading many reviews, it looks like they'll also go pre-maturely without about 500miles on it via baby driving.

My issues are not related to the new turbo. I just can't wait to see the dealerships face when they see the new snail.

[occschemguy]

Originally Posted by mrlilguy157 ATP's car is running top notch as far as I know. The guy did say a new clutch was needed. Throughout this, I'll most likely be upgrading to Spec Stage 3+. That's the best streetable clutch they offer. After reading many reviews, it looks like they'll also go pre-maturely without about 500miles on it via baby driving. My issues are not related to the new turbo. I just can't wait to see the dealerships face when they see the new snail.

I hope you have a good relationship with them bcos i got my warrenty revocked at 10k miles.

[Haltech]

It all depends on your relationship with the dealer...

Back in 2004, i had to take the truck to Ford. I had competed in the Fun Ford Weekend at Fontana, which was rained out the sunday after trials on sat. In order to continue the race, i had to report to Phoenix the following sat. So i drove the truck to Ford with slicks, traction bars, the whole kitten and caboodle to get the rear end replaced. Now, this thing is loud and mean, drove it in and the looks i received from customers and employees was priceless.

they did warranty my rear end but ask next time, i remove the slicks and 5 pounds of rubber of the sides of the rear panels.

[ptperformance]

Originally Posted by Laloosh well if the flywheel grenaded he could have possibly ruined his rear main seal cuasing a massive leak...?

Or there could be an oil galley back there that he knocked the plug out of. Either way something is wrong.

[ptperformance]

Originally Posted by mrlilguy157 ATP's car is running top notch as far as I know. The guy did say a new clutch was needed. Throughout this, I'll most likely be upgrading to Spec Stage 3+. That's the best streetable clutch they offer. After reading many reviews, it looks like they'll also go pre-maturely without about 500miles on it via baby driving. My issues are not related to the new turbo. I just can't wait to see the dealerships face when they see the new snail.

We should have a clutch in stock here very soon. If your interested let me know. Should hold up to 500 WHP but the major issue is the auto adjusting PP, that is going to give everyone problems when the power really starts to go up.

[phailerider]

So Jon blew a hole 2x2 in his block. Obviously a rod is gone and we dont know what happened to clutch, flywheel, or tranny.... maybe nothing.

Whats hilarious, if we can say it.... is that the car runs and holds a nice stoich....lol It does make a bit of noise while running apparently.

Well... I have no updates on my car. Never went to the shop, didnt hear from the shop. I'll swing in tomorrow... Im getting annoyed.

[Laloosh]

hate to say it but i predicted this was going to happen
hopefully jon has the money to fix this thing