Big Turbo Spool characteristics

[Downmented]

So recently i asked a few people about their setups and what sort of spool they see at what RPM.

So what i would like to do is create a reference point for different larger frame turbos with different variables to see the impact that different manifolds/ turbos have on the spool characteristics.

Originally Posted by cld12pk2go This would be a much more apples to apples dataset if everyone posted the RPM they reached a set PSI (say 20 PSI) from a 4th gear roll starting at ~2000 RPMs.

MS3/ MS6
Turbo-
Manifold-
PSI @xxxx rpm
IWG/ EWG

Please mention what RPM you see xxpsi at as well.

If you can think of any other major factors that play a part in the spool characteristics then please feel free to add them. Also if something like this has been done before please let me know. I do know that we had a thread dedicated to documenting different setups and amount of power each different setup makes ect, ect. My main focus is on the spool.

@doubleflusher @NJSPEED3 @superskaterxes @chimmike @Captain KR @SPEED6 KILLAH @JacksonMS30 @cld12pk2go

@6oost3d-
MS6
GTX3582r SS .82 T3
Steedspeed twinscroll top mount
27psi @ 4k
Dual EWG

@chimmike- Tune still in progress
MS3
GTX3076 ATP Hotside
Tial MVS EWG
Medieval Mani
Stock CBE
24psi @ ~3800- 4000rpm

@Vader-
MS3
GTX3071
Stock Manifold
21psi @3500 climbing to 25 @ redline
IWG

@superskaterxes-
Current:
MS6
ATP GTX35R
DNP w/EWG
30psi @4250 RPM

Previous:
GT3076
DNP w/EWG
27psi @3750 RPM

@PapaSmurf
MS3
Turbo- Divided T3 GT3582R .82 hotside
Manifold- Custom Steedspeed stock locaton divided T3
30PSI @4200 rpm, at 5500 feet ASL
Duel 38mm EWG's

@dturboman
MS3
GTX3582 T04 Undivided .82 A/R
28PSI @4500 RPM -
34 PSI - 4700RPM - 39PSI - 4950RPM
DNP runners, custom flanges at both ends
EWG

@doubleflusher-
MS3
HTA3582R
Steedspeed
30+ PSI @3900 rpm
EWG

@cld12pk2go
MS3
Turbo- GTX3071 (ATP hot side)
Manifold- PG V1
20 PSI @3300-3500 rpm (depending on ambient temp)
IWG

@Captain KR
MS6
Atp 3076 with ported hotside
30psi @3800
pg v2 manifold
ewg

@Lakespeed6
MS6
Turbo- GTX3076
Manifold- CP-E
24psi @4500 rpm
IWG

@JacksonMS30
Old
MS3
Turbo - GTX3071
Manifold - Stock
20psi @3400rpms
26psi to redline
IWG
PERM Tune

Current
MS3
Turbo - HTA3586
20psi @4200rpms in 4th gear (3rd gear is 4700rpms)
21psi spring pressure
PERM Top Mount Exmani
38mm EWG TiAL MVR

@Panda Express
MS3
GT3076
stock mani
stock tmic/tbe
20psi @3700rpm
25psi @4300rpm til redline

@Alpha
MS6
EFR 7163 T25
Prototype Full-Race Manifold/Catless DP/Choked Magnaflow 2.5" CBE
20psi @2600rpm
23psi @2900 and up

@rfinkle2
MS3
GT3076
24 psi @3,750.

@RayRay
MS3
GTX3076
Stock Mani
25psi @4300rpm
IWG

@SarcasticOne
MS3
Turbo- gt3071
Manifold- steedspeed
20PSI @3350 rpm
21PSI @3400 rpm
IWG

@NJSPEED3
Current-
HTA3586 T3 single scroll .82 hotside
Custom T3 Tubular mani
44mm ewg
20psi @3822rpm
28psi @4200rpm

Previous setup
MS3
T3 single scroll gt3076 .82hotside
custom T3 tubular mani
44mm ewg
20PSI @ ~3800RPM
29psi@4100RPM +/-

@SilverDemon
Old-
MS3
T3 Single Scroll GT35r
.63 hot side
Steed Speed Mani
38MM EWG
20 psi @~3950 RPM
30 psi @~4500 RPM

Current setup-
ATP GT3582r
.82 AR hotside
CP-E Atmosphere
Catless downpipe / 3.5" intake
21 PSI @ 4300 rpms
30 PSI @ 4800 rpms


@Realgib3
MS3
Precision 6466 CEA
.82 Vband In/Out Hot side
CP-e mani
Precision 46mm Wg
~20psi @4200


@DISIindahead
MS3
ATP GTX3071
Full Race Manifold
Grimmspeed 3 port EBCS
22 psi @ 3800rpms
IWG

@S-hendrix
MS3
BNR S3
Stock Manifold
Grimmspeed 3 port EBCS
20.75 psi @3500rpms
IWG

@atvfreek
MS3
BNR stage3
3 port ebcs
Stock intake and exhaust manifolds
22psi 3200 rpms


@BlueStreak;
MS3
Turbo- ATP GT3071
Manifold- Stock
20 PSI @3100 rpm
ATP EWG /w 21PSI Spring
Fully PnP head.

@XLT_66;
2009 MS3
GT3582r Twinscroll T3 .78 A/R
25 PSI @ 4000 RPM
Custom 1.25" Tubular Twinscroll Manifold
Teardrop Merged Single 44mm Tial MV-S
1 Bar Spring Pressure
COBB 3-Port

@Ziggo;
2008 MS3
BNR S3
18 PSI @ 3000 RPM
Stock Intake Manifold
Swaintech Coated DNP Exhaust Manifold & Hotside
JBR WP Intake (3.5")
Grimmspeed 3-Port

@himurax13;
MS3
BNR
Stock Manifold
Grimspeed 3 Port EBCS
22psi @3200

@dantes5823;
MS3
ATP GTX3076
Stock Mani
Grimmspeed 3 port EBCS
20 psi @ 3400rpms
24 psi @ 3600rpms
EWG


@sleepyspeed6;
MazdaSpeed 3
Hx35
stock exhaust manifold
3.5 intake
WMI
91
EWG (38mm) spring pressure is 21psi hit at 3790, 25psi by 4300ish


@Captain KR;
steed speed top mount t3 twin scroll manifold
gt3582r
minor tuning
precision 46mm EWG
full boost @3500rpm


@Matrix311;
GTX3071
Internal Wastegate
Stock Exhaust Manifold
20psi at 4,000rpm (boo)


@Downmented;
MS6
Precision 6265, T4 TS .84 A/R
Steedspeed Top mount manifold
20psi @4000rpm
30psi @4300rpm


@RichieRichness;
MS6
gt3071r IWG
DNP mani
21 psi @ 3500 rpm

@Voltwings;
2010 ms3
ATP GTx3576
.72 AR hotside
CP-E manifold / Precision 46mm wastegate (15 psi spring)
Catless downpipe / 4" intake
20.5 PSI @ 3800 rpms
25.5 PSI @ 4000 rpms

@psychophyr;
MS6
PT6266 CEA
CPE V-Band manifold.
JMF PI V2
20psi @3800 (Capable of 40psi @4500)
TiAL MV-R (21.75combo)

[Chimmike]

gtx3076, atp iwg hot side (flapper locked shut), tial MVS ewg. Stock cat-back, medieval mani. Tune still in progress.
that's about 12* timing and boost not maintaining 24 to redline.

[Downmented]

Originally Posted by chimmike gtx3076, atp iwg hot side (flapper locked shut), tial MVS ewg. Stock cat-back, medieval mani. Tune still in progress. that's about 12* timing and boost not maintaining 24 to redline.

What RPM Do you see full boost? Also, as people post their setups, i will update the initial post to keep all of this information in 1 spot.

[Chimmike]

Originally Posted by Downmented What RPM Do you see full boost? Also, as people post their setups, i will update the initial post to keep all of this information in 1 spot.

lol. look at the graph dude.

3800-4000rpm.

[Downmented]

Originally Posted by chimmike lol. look at the graph dude. 3800-4000rpm.

No image on work computer Sorry lol

[6oost3d]

MS6
GTX3582r SS .82 T3
Steedspeed twinscroll top mount
27psi @ 4k (current tune) 30psi @ 4300
Dual EWG - TiAL MVR & MVS

[Vader]

]MS3
GTX3071
Stock
21 by 3500 climbing to 25 @ redline
IWG


Slow car, is slow

Edit:

[Downmented]

Forgot t o mention the Pu owners-
@dantes5823 @PapaSmurf @duappleganger @h0ckeyman

[superskaterxes]

MS6
ATP GTX35R
DNP w/EWG
30psi by 4250






ATP GT3076
same
27psi by 3750

[PapaSmurf]

MS3
Turbo- Divided T3 GT3582R .82 hotside
Manifold- Custom Steedspeed stock locaton divided T3
30PSI @4200 rpm, at 5500 feet ASL
Duel 38mm EWG's

[dturboman]

GTX3582 T04 Undivided .82 A/R

28PSI @ 4500 RPM - 34 PSI - 4700RPM - 39PSI - 4950RPM
DNP runners, custom flanges at both ends
EWG

[Downmented]

Thanks for the imput folks, keep it coming. Please feel free to mention anyone who is BT that has not already been mentioned/ posted

[doubleflusher]

MS3
HTA3582R .63 A/R T3
Steedspeed
30+ PSI @3900 rpm
EWG

This was my old setup.

New setup will be slightly different.

[cld12pk2go]

This would be a much more apples to apples dataset if everyone posted the RPM they reached a set PSI (say 20 PSI) from a 4th gear roll starting at ~2000 RPMs.

My data:

MS3
Turbo- GTX3071 (ATP hot side)
Manifold- PG V1
20 PSI @ 3300-3500 rpm (depending on ambient temp)
IWG


Also, I noted a several hundred RPM increase in lag when I ported my IM and removed the VTCS.

[Downmented]

Originally Posted by cld12pk2go This would be a much more apples to apples dataset if everyone posted the RPM they reached a set PSI (say 20 PSI) from a 4th gear roll starting at ~2000 RPMs. My data: MS3 Turbo- GTX3071 (ATP hot side) Manifold- PG V1 20 PSI @ 3300-3500 rpm (depending on ambient temp) IWG Also, I noted a several hundred RPM increase in lag when I ported my IM and removed the VTCS.

I do realize that it would be better that way and if people chose to post their RPM at 20psi then i will deffinately update the initial post.
I guess my initial intent wasnt to directly compare apples to apples. More so to just get a general idea as to how spool was affected based on different setups. Granted yes most all of these are different turbos/ manis. But still helpful

Originally Posted by aggierandy Would it be plausible to plot RPM vs Boost for each setup on a single graph for easy comparison?

Honestly i dont see why not, it would have to be done by each individual user and posted, but sure, could be possible. WOuld be very helpful also

[helmetface]

Originally Posted by cld12pk2go Also, I noted a several hundred RPM increase in lag when I ported my IM and removed the VTCS.

I was going to say, what about the other side of the engine?

[aggierandy]

Would it be plausible to plot RPM vs Boost for each setup on a single graph for easy comparison?

[Chimmike]

@Captain KR oh wait...........

[Downmented]

@Raider If this continues to get enough attention, would this be a possible sticky?

[Raider]

Originally Posted by Downmented @Raider If this continues to get enough attention, would this be a possible sticky?

Sure, let me know. I think it is worthy now, but let's give it a few more responses.

[Downmented]

Originally Posted by Raider Sure, let me know. I think it is worthy now, but let's give it a few more responses.

As mentioned, this is good, but if we can make it better by having similar variables, ie 20psi @xxxx rpm starting at 2k rpm in 4th.

I will let you know, i figure this is still new and there are ALLOT more BT people to mention in here.
@djuosnteisn

[djuosnteisn]

Originally Posted by Downmented As mentioned, this is good, but if we can make it better by having similar variables, ie 20psi @xxxx rpm starting at 2k rpm in 4th. I will let you know, i figure this is still new and there are ALLOT more BT people to mention in here. @djuosnteisn

Let me get an accurate MAP sensor installed, and i'll have some solid data for you.

[Rokusek]

sub'd for reference

and thanks everybody

[Downmented]

Updated initial post to reflect a more specific comparison between setups per @cld12pk2go. If you have this information, please PM it to me and i will update your portion of the initial post. Thank you

[Captain KR]

Atp 3076 with ported hotside
30psi at 3800
pg v2 manifold
ewg
FUCK you you fucking ginger bitch @chimmike

[Reysal2k10]

Originally Posted by Downmented So recently i asked a few people about their setups and what sort of spool they see at what RPM. So what i would like to do is create a reference point for different larger frame turbos with different variables to see the impact that different manifolds/ turbos have on the spool characteristics. MS3/ MS6 Turbo- Manifold- PSI @xxxx rpm IWG/ IWG Please mention what RPM you see xxpsi at as well. If you can think of any other major factors that play a part in the spool characteristics then please feel free to add them. Also if something like this has been done before please let me know. I do know that we had a thread dedicated to documenting different setups and amount of power each different setup makes ect, ect. My main focus is on the spool. @doubleflusher @NJSPEED3 @superskaterxes @chimmike @Captain KR @SPEED6 KILLAH @JacksonMS30 @cld12pk2go @6oost3d- MS6 GTX3582r SS .82 T3 Steedspeed twinscroll top mount 27psi @ 4k Dual EWG @chimmike- Tune still in progress MS3 GTX3076 ATP Hotside Tial MVS EWG Medieval Mani Stock CBE 24psi @ ~3800- 4000rpm @Vader- MS3 GTX3071 Stock Manifold 21psi @3500 climbing to 25 @ redline IWG @superskaterxes- MS6 ATP GTX35R DNP w/EWG 30psi @4250 RPM Previous setup- GT3076 27psi @3750 RPM @PapaSmurf MS3 Turbo- Divided T3 GT3582R .82 hotside Manifold- Custom Steedspeed stock locaton divided T3 30PSI @4200 rpm, at 5500 feet ASL Duel 38mm EWG's @dturboman MS3 GTX3582 T04 Undivided .82 A/R 28PSI @ 4500 RPM - 34 PSI - 4700RPM - 39PSI - 4950RPM DNP runners, custom flanges at both ends EWG @doubleflusher- MS3 HTA3582R Steedspeed 30+ PSI @3900 rpm EWG @cld12pk2go MS3 Turbo- GTX3071 (ATP hot side) Manifold- PG V1 20 PSI @ 3300-3500 rpm (depending on ambient temp) IWG @Captain KR MS6 Atp 3076 with ported hotside 30psi at 3800 pg v2 manifold ewg

Thanks this helps me big time!

[Deldran]

I love the idea of seeing where these turbos get 20 pounds of boost.
@RayRay @Alpha

[Alpha]

Originally Posted by Deldran I love the idea of seeing where these turbos get 20 pounds of boost. @RayRay @Alpha

Great thread!

MS6
EFR 7163 T25 Prototype
Full-Race Manifold/Catless DP/Choked Magnaflow 2.5" CBE
20psi @ 2600rpm
23psi @ 2900 and up

Once the new motor and tune are in, I wouldn't be surprised to see 25-30psi by 2400~ RPM
TORQUE FTW!

[aggierandy]

@S-hendrix you mind commenting on your spool up.

Also @Downmented could you include on the plot a stock k04 for reference.


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[Lakespeed6]

MS6
Turbo- GTX3076
Manifold- CP-E
24psi @4500 rpm
IWG
Tune still in progress.


Do I get an award for the worst spooling turbo! FML

[Downmented]

Originally Posted by Lakespeed6 MS6 Turbo- GTX3076 Manifold- CP-E 24psi @4500 rpm IWG Tune still in progress. Do I get an award for the worst spooling turbo! FML

Something is wrong here.

[Chimmike]

Originally Posted by Lakespeed6 MS6 Turbo- GTX3076 Manifold- CP-E 24psi @4500 rpm IWG Tune still in progress. Do I get an award for the worst spooling turbo! FML

Even with MBC I was spooling far better than that. Swap in EBCS, cut timing between 3000-4000rpm.

Also...did you adjust the preload on the WG arm? I.e. screw it in more? Had to preload the fuck outta my gtx3076 IWG arm. So glad I went ewg tho.

[Lakespeed6]

Originally Posted by chimmike Even with MBC I was spooling far better than that. Swap in EBCS, cut timing between 3000-4000rpm. Also...did you adjust the preload on the WG arm? I.e. screw it in more? Had to preload the fuck outta my gtx3076 IWG arm. So glad I went ewg tho.

Doesn't hit any thing on the housing and is about 8 turns in.
Just had the intake off last night and I noticed quite a lot of shaft play
Maybe I should switch to EWG.

[6oost3d]

Originally Posted by Lakespeed6 MS6 Turbo- GTX3076 Manifold- CP-E 24psi @4500 rpm IWG Tune still in progress. Do I get an award for the worst spooling turbo! FML

Is the wastegate arm hitting anything? on my 3076 it rubbed against a hose so it wouldn't close all the way.

[JacksonMS30]

MS3
Turbo - GTX3071
Manifold - Stock
20psi by 3400rpms
26psi to redline
IWG
PERM Tune

MS3
Turbo - HTA3586
20psi - 4200rpms in 4th gear (3rd gear is 4700rpms)
21psi spring pressure
PERM Top Mount Exmani
38mm EWG TiAL MVR
Tune fully neutered to save motor for build.

[The Panda]

MS3
GT3076
stock mani
stock tmic/tbe
20psi @ 3700rpm
25psi @ 4300rpm til redline

[sleepyspeed6]

Let me dig through my logs I have one in 4th, I am getting full boost (22psi) at 4300 with the hx35. If i cant find it I will get one when I get my car back up


ms3
Stock exhaust manifold, and stock cat back

[rfinkle2]

3076 tune was in progress (member unfortunately had to part out).

24 psi @ 3,750.

Atp 3076 w/ grimmspeed 3 port bcs.

[Downmented]

If there is shaft play, your wg is the least of your worries bro. Hopefully you get it sorted out.

[duappleganger]

my first big-turbo mention whhhhhattttt uppppppp

unfortunately, the turbo goes on in two days so give me a little while to get it tuned and ill post logs