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That greatly affects the air velocity into the head at lower RPMs and results in lower air flow = less exhaust energy = delayed spool.
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| Not Ranked : 0 score Well I mostly was comparing to what ive been told for a true twinscroll with twin wastegates to handle high boost... Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I747 using Tapatalk 2 Wouldn't it react faster with two smaller wastegates Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I747 using Tapatalk 2
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| Not Ranked : 0 score Doubt the turbo is broken. I think it's wastegate issues. I have several threads i recently created with my spooling issues discussed in them. Check out my created threads and feel free to chime in with troubleshooting suggestions. I've already done a bunch of troubleshooting. and pretty much out of ideas so I am going to go ewg in hopes that fixes my problem. If it doesn't fix it then fuck it. Right now I'm hitting 20psi at 4k rpm and holding 25 to redline. Vd was 395hp/420lbft and it pulls hard. It just takes forever to get spooled. If its not wastegate then it's something simple and under my nose I'm sure. Sent from my SCH-I535 using Tapatalk 2
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I've seen many race teams run a single 60 mm gate on a twin t4 hotside and have well more than enough boost control...... although two wastegates look pretty it seems like more of a hassle I would want to ever deal with
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| Not Ranked : 0 score Here is my other thread that talks about my extreme lag at spooling. Can any of you big turbo experts please look at my thread and chime in with some tips. I'm so lost right now and I cannot get my car to spool fast like it should. Any help is greatly appreciated. http://www.mazdaspeedforum.org/forum/foru...r-open-131504/ Please help!
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| Not Ranked : 0 score Just for kicks I threw these into a spreadsheet with a graph. The line is arbitrary but the ones that stood out the most are Alpha, Captain KR, doubleflusher, and atvfreek. This isn't really a fair comparison, we would need the entire boost curve to see how they compare but it is interesting nonetheless. Edit: Added Captain KR (2) and reorganized for prettiness.
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| Not Ranked : 0 score Not sure how useful it really is comparing turbos like that. I could run more than 18psi at 3000, but choose not to. Many of the others on here are in the same boat.
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| Not Ranked : 0 score Yeah it would be better to examine the entire boost curve. But it was just for kicks. Sent from my DROID RAZR HD using Tapatalk 2
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(Thread Starter) | Not Ranked : 0 score I know all of you have changed your setups since this was last updated, care to share what these changes have done for your spool? @NJSPEED3; @SilverDemon; @dantes5823;
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(Thread Starter) | Not Ranked : 0 score @NJSPEED3; Its nice to see the comparison between the two different turbos and how little they actually affected your spool. The only thing that changed between setups was the turbo correct? NJSPEED3 Current- HTA3586 T3 single scroll .82 hotside Custom T3 Tubular mani 44mm ewg 20psi @3822rpm 28psi @4200rpm Previous setup MS3 T3 single scroll gt3076 .82hotside custom T3 tubular mani 44mm ewg 20PSI @ ~3800RPM 29psi@4100RPM +/-
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(Thread Starter) | Not Ranked : 0 score I would assume that this turbo spools relatively close to the same as Freeks BNRs3
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I'm getting a gt3071 fitted soon and would like to get it spooling ASAP, would porting the IM help as long as I left the VTCS intact? There seems to be some conflicting info from the searching I've done. I'm thinking removing exhaust restriction will be the key. Anyone got any other ideas to help?
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