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(Thread Starter) |   Not Ranked : 0 score  Ebay turbo: Direct bolt on GT28 knock off (not a newb thread) Second, the intent of this thread is to actually collect information. No hearsay or "OH NOOOOS IT IS CHINESE GARBAGE" type crap is desired. Also, please no discussion about the demise of American manufacturing or fucking the trade balance. Why? Because several years ago in my turbomustang days a few brave pioneers decided to do builds with some ebay turbos and were pleasantly surprised to find that they worked quite well. This created a lot of shocked disbelief in all the naysayers who had their cousin's uncle's ex-college roommate's buddy's story about a bad experience with crap from SSautochrome. Feel free to search on turbomustang.com for some of their experiences. So in a nutshell, these turbos exist; however, the real question is "do they work for us". One of the pictures from an ebay seller gave me enough info to find what I believe is the distributor for these turbos: E-MOTOR PRODUCTS I have sent them an inquiry to see if they can provide any spec sheets. Here are a few links to the turbo that appears to have desirable specs for my application: GT28 TURBO CHARGER +8PSI INTERNAL WASTEGATE T25 .86 A/R:eBay Motors (item 140336121194 end time Dec-24-09 14  54 PST)(yes, I have already sent them a message asking what turbine actually is on this since their specs and the sale title disagree) GT28 GT2870 Turbo Charger internal wastegate .86 A/R:eBay Motors (item 150392635422 end time Dec-27-09 08:19:56 PST) So the key questions from my vantage point are as follows: 1.) Do they bolt up to our stock style manifolds/downpipes. They appear to have the proper T-2 (T-25 style 5-bolt) turbine housing to do so. 2.) What are the water/oil connectors required. While I have no desire to pay ~$1,800 for an ATP setup, I might be interested enough to be the guinea pig to see if these would work for us with a total price of ~$400-$450 after all the misc connectors required. Thoughts/comments?
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| Not Ranked : 0 score Who says its direct bolt on? we have a mazdaspeed specific turbine housing. Its not a generic 5 bolt t25 housing. |
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Garrett GT2871R : atpturbo.com The first turbine option: the T25 with internal wastegate. Which should be of the following dimensions: http://www.turbobygarrett.com/turbob...47_1_3_new.pdf What I am trying to determine via cross checking is if the cheap turbo is of these dimensions and if that matches our stock setup. So you are saying that our stock stuff is of a different size? Has anyone documented this in a thread somewhere? Thanks. Obviously, this thread = fail if we don't have a T-25 style housing to allow direct swapping.
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no atp will not just sell the mazda specific turbine housing
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if i owned atp i would sell you guys whatever you wanted. housings, turbines, compressors, oil lines, fiting whatever... cause if i owned atp I would care about the customers needs and I would still be making money either way...
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"We could do it, but it's not as simple as a turbine housing because it has to be clocked and the internal gate has to be placed with the matching bracket in the right spot along with the proper fittings for oil and coolant. You want us to just "convert" it over for you? It's going to cost about $440." Not too bad for a turbine housing, actuator, bracket, fittings, etc. | |
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(Thread Starter) | Not Ranked : 0 score Well this thread went to hell pretty quickly. I am still wondering if we can find some cheap swap option...humm... I will try to compare the garrett .pdf dimensions to my stock manifold/DP to see how much different the connections are. It might be possible to do a little grinding to elongate holes to make it work (unlikely, but should be checked).
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| Not Ranked : 0 score To OP..Just try it man and see if it fits! If it does then hell ya and you just found my new set-up! I think i read on there they have a 1 year warrenty so all you gotta do is break it and send it back! Worst comes to worse of course! Try to get more info and see!
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| Not Ranked : 0 score and to the op...i was looking at that seller feedback from people who bought turbos from them, and they gave an excellent score. someone bought a GT3071 from 500 and said it was great and works so cosign matt, if his shit works out, ill be buying my gt3076 from them as well. awesome deals over there http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/GT307...Q5fAccessories
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__________________ 08 MS3: ATP GTX3071 at 26PSI , AEM Dryflow 21-2147DK, CP-E 3.25'' MAF, CP-E Nviscid TIP, PG FMIC piping with Treadstone TR11 core, Cobb BPV, Ported IM, PG v1 manifold, CP-E catted DP, CNT CBE, KMD v2, Grimspeed EBCS, Alkycontrol Meth injection (M10 with 100% meth), E40 fuel, Cobb AP (ATR= WIN), ACT ZX4-HDSS, 3-Bar MAP, JBR RSB, and CP-E 60 Duro Engine Mount Set. (297.3WHP/366.9WTQ - on K04, 469.2WHP/420.7WTQ - on GTX3071) Last edited by cld12pk2go; 12-07-2009 at 04:43 AM. | |
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(Thread Starter) | Not Ranked : 0 score Just checked the garrett T25 dimensions against our stock DP and mani. Complete non-starter. Both ends are significantly different. PITA. Guess I will have to wait and see how this option turns out: Mazdaspeed 3/6 K04 Hybrid turbocharger 330WHP!!! - StreetUnitForum.com Bolt Up Replacement Turbocharger Upgrade - Mazda Forums http://forum.mazda6club.com/index.ph...=113390&hl=bnr
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lol thats almost no diff then the PTP SST...driveability wise not your best option... gt3071/76 is the right choice for our cars due to rod fatigue from high boost at mucho low rpms...71/76
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It is basically a custom built GT28 utilizing our stock turbine housing so everything bolts right up (including water/oil lines). Literally everything on the turbo is replaced (new CHRA, new compressor housing, etc) except for the turbine housing, which is machined to accept the larger wheel. Also important is the shaft has 70% more cross sectional area so we don't have to worry about it snapping. It isn't dirt cheap like I was initially going for; however, it is much cheaper than other options requiring new EM/DP and the stage 2 is good for 40 lb/m flow (~400 hp). I personally think the GT30's are overkill for a daily driver MS3. I can always tune to limit torque down low with a quick spooling turbo such as this and hold to redline...I cannot tune away the extra 500-1000 RPMs of lag with a larger turbo.
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