The final smoke at idle fix from Mazda TSB 01-002/11 dated 2/23/11

[spike589]

from what the tech told me the valve cover has some kind of baffle plate built in on the the back runner of the valve cover. ive been running my car hard the last two days and idling seems to be better but i still see smoke but its probably still from all the residual oil thats in my exhaust.

[bova]

Originally Posted by sicspeed Yes, i believe your right. Was looking at some photos and see the 3 way solenoid. So then the only difference is the location of the vent tube closer to the turbo inlet and the redesign of the valve cover vent exit. This leads me to believe that mazda must have done something to that vent but what? I dont think mazda would spend $$ to just refab a new design valve cover for just a vent tube to the tip. Im sure eventually someone will take those screw off if possible n see whats there if anything.

my guess is that putting the vent closer to the turbo allows it to pull more vacuum on the crankcase thus allowing the oil to drain from the turbo quicker to prevent the smoking.

[ripacrombie]

After reviewing 01-002/11 TSB, it only applies to Mazdaspeed 3 (2007-2009 w/VIN JM1BK****9*187397 and lower) and CX-7's (2007-2009 w/VIN JM3ER****9*224013 and below) and strictly (in red) references 01-001/11 for 2006-2007 MS6 owners. The 01-001/11 TSB, replaces the turbo itself instead of the Ventilation Set suggested in 01-002/11 TSB. If you managed to get a new Ventilation Set AND a new turbo out of this for Mazdaspeed 3/CX-7, you are extremely lucky. 01-002/11 TSB specifically states that a "turbo" replacement is no longer valid or eligible to fix the "white smoke" issue for Mazdaspeed 3 and CX-7 models. It also points out that once the new Ventilation Set is installed, the issue is no longer service-able and considered a "closed topic". Which means, if it didn't fix your issue, your shit out of luck unless you have a compassionate Mazda dealership.

For Mazdaspeed 6 owners 2006-2007, the 001/001/11 "white smoke" turbo replacement is covered under the standard 35K warranty and 60K powertrain limited warranty. If you are within your powertrain limited warranty, go in and get it fixed before it's to late. Also, having a downpipe/exhaust installed will in no way void your powertrain limited warranty, nor relate to the issue at hand which in turn will prevent you from getting a new turbo. From the words of a close friend who is a the Service Manager in the largest Mazda dealership in New England, "this issue if from the turbo up, not turbo down". Having a downpipe actually helps troubleshoot this issue! It allows us and the service technician a better way to diagnose whether or not our turbo seals have the issue. Having the stock downpipe "disguises" the smoke much much more.

I'm hopefully getting mine (turbo) replaced this weekend on my 07 MS6


001-002/11 Replaces the following for the MazdaSpeed 3:

• Ventilation Set; Quantity: 1; Part Number: L3Y2-13-S80B; Notes: Mazdaspeed 3 specific
• Oil Filter Cartridge; Quantity: 1; Part Number: L321-14-302A-9U; Notes: Only for customers returning for 5W-40 Synthetic oil change.
• Oil (5W-30); Quantity: 6; Part Number: 5555-EG-001; Notes: Only for customers returning for 5W-40 Synthetic oil change.

The Ventilation Set includes the following:

• Cylinder Head Cover (A)
• Ventilation Hose (B)
• Engine Hanger (C)
• Air Pipe (D)
• Vacuum Hose (E)
• and Plug (F)

[bova]

no one is getting a header, which doesn't exist because a it's called a manifold. i'm guessing you meant valve cover and not header.

[08.5MS3]

We haz header and cat muffler?!?!


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[ripacrombie]

Originally Posted by bova80 no one is getting a header, which doesn't exist because a it's called a manifold. i'm guessing you meant valve cover and not header.

Sorry, I updated my post, I used the incorrect terminology.

[bova]

Originally Posted by ripacrombie Sorry, I updated my post, I used the incorrect terminology.

but you are still wrong because they are not replacing the manifold (this is the exhaust between engine and turbo). it states they are replacing the valve cover.

[ripacrombie]

Originally Posted by bova80 but you are still wrong because they are not replacing the manifold (this is the exhaust between engine and turbo). it states they are replacing the valve cover.

Give me a damn second jeez, I was updating the whole post lol

P.S. - The correct part name under the Mazda TSB is "Cylinder Head Cover"

[bova]

last time i'll nit pick, its not really a pcv re-route either because the pcv is located behind the intake manifold. the vent on the valve cover is just a vent

[ripacrombie]

Originally Posted by bova80 last time i'll nit pick, its not really a pcv re-route either because the pcv is located behind the intake manifold. the vent on the valve cover is just a vent

There, I updated it to the correct Mazda term for it, "Ventilation Set". nit pick that buddy!

[bova]

haha ok there you go...just don't want some people to misunderstand it

[08.5MS3]

Originally Posted by bova80 last time i'll nit pick, its not really a pcv re-route either because the pcv is located behind the intake manifold. the vent on the valve cover is just a vent

Nit pick man. When I called Mazda, they said 2 fixes for the PCV and I was like, oh rly? Assuming they meant the valve cover of course.

You're doing everyone a favor. On the far end of the spectrum, it's like calling the intake, the exhaust, and vice versa.

However, does this breather hose indirectly effect the PCV in regards to pressure? I understand the PCV is dealing with the crankcase and we are talking valve cover here, but is there a relationship somewhere?


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[bova]

i think it just changes how much vacuum is seen in the crankcase, not sure it has any affect on the pcv itself though. like i said before it's probably done to create more vacuum to pull the oil from the turbo drain line and prevent it from backup past the seals.

[ripacrombie]

Here is the Mazda explanation of why this fix resolves the white smoke for Mazdaspeed 3 & CX-7.

DESCRIPTION
Some customers may experience white/blue smoke from the exhaust pipes after long idle periods or while driving at slow speeds in heavy traffic.

This condition may be the result of insufficient crank case ventilation, resulting in oil leakage past the exhaust turbine shaft seal.

Other possible causes (determined by reviewing the vehicle’s maintenance records) that should be corrected at the owner’s expense prior to performing this bulletin are:

• Engine oil viscosity break down due to insufficient oil change(s).
• Usage of lower than 5W-30 viscosity engine oil.
  

NOTE:

• This bulletin is not applicable to vehicles with a prior turbocharger replacement using a “C” level or later part number (i.e. L3Y*-13-70ZC).
• The oil change program as described in the prior service bulletins under the same subject, is no longer in effect.
• Provisions are included for a final oil change for customers that are returning for an additional oil change where the concern was corrected using 5W-40 synthetic oil.
• If the turbocharger is diagnosed with impeller damage caused by contact with the housing (as described in the Inspection Procedure), this bulletin is not applicable.
  Customers having this concern should have their vehicle repaired according to the following repair procedure.

[bova]

this is why upping the idle and switching to 5w40 resolve the issue. switching to 5w40 gives you thicker oil which doesn't leak past the seals. and upping the idle increases the vacuum on the crank case.

[ripacrombie]

Originally Posted by bova80 this is why upping the idle and switching to 5w40 resolve the issue. switching to 5w40 gives you thicker oil which doesn't leak past the seals. and upping the idle increases the vacuum on the crank case.

I did this last night with my VersaTune tune, and it removed the white smoke and also stopped the idle rattle of my Magnaflow exhaust .

I purchased a PTP PCV fix and Windage tray and neither of those did shit. Don't waste your money everyone...

[08.5MS3]

Do you have a link to the new TSB?

It's just funny how my dealership stated there were 3 fixes for this and the turbo replacement was one of them. I'm assuming this is if there is damage to the impeller.

[bova]

as far as i know the 3 were
-replace oil with 5w40
-replace turbo
-replace valve cover

[08.5MS3]

Originally Posted by bova80 as far as i know the 3 were -replace oil with 5w40 -replace turbo -replace valve cover

Right. It's just odd how my dealership said they were all still valid, even when all the TSB's state each new one supersedes the old ones.

After this next service, I'll switch to 5W40. And I'll also have Matt's OCC, which hopefully alleviates some.

Maybe I'll get a new turbo and valve cover! Seems the biggest thing with the new TSB is the valve cover, with its baffles inside. I can't see how the relocation of the breather hose has that much effect on pressure, especially when it's next to the turbine, and is downhill from the valve cover.

[ripacrombie]

Originally Posted by 08.5MS3 Do you have a link to the new TSB? It's just funny how my dealership stated there were 3 fixes for this and the turbo replacement was one of them. I'm assuming this is if there is damage to the impeller.

I do, but the fine print clearly states I am not allowed to distribute it, sorry bro.

Originally Posted by bova80 as far as i know the 3 were -replace oil with 5w40 -replace turbo -replace valve cover

Post #95 which is a direct copy and paste from the TSB. It is basically saying if the service technician thinks the issue is turbo side, you WILL get a new turbo, but NOT a Ventilation Set. I highly doubt the Mazda technician is going to hook you up with both when it clearly states it's EITHER OR in the TSB workflow for diagnosing a fix.

[bova]

Originally Posted by 08.5MS3 Right. It's just odd how my dealership said they were all still valid, even when all the TSB's state each new one supersedes the old ones. After this next service, I'll switch to 5W40. And I'll also have Matt's OCC, which hopefully alleviates some. Maybe I'll get a new turbo and valve cover! Seems the biggest thing with the new TSB is the valve cover, with its baffles inside. I can't see how the relocation of the breather hose has that much effect on pressure, especially when it's next to the turbine, and is downhill from the valve cover.

being downhill has no affect at all. its just there is more pull right there than farther up the intake.

[wildacex187]

my turbo has been smoking bad today for some reason. took a couple of blocks to alleviate. ugh its embarrassing. does it get worse with warmer temps? waiting to see if this is worth it or not before i purchase.

[kpuser1]

My shit was smoking with a ebay tp(stock dp). Wanted to take to dealer since I'm still in warranty but was worried about testpipe so
I put back to stock and it hasn't smoked since(over 1,000 miles) Dealer wasn't able to get it to smoke either..wtf..It's amazing what that cat covers.

Debating taking a chance and puting tp back on and taking to dealer because i'm sure it will start smoking again...idk...

[IshiKage]

i would. thats what i had to tell them when they kept saying they needed to replicate the smoking with the car stock.


i told them that its pointless b.c the exhaust has two cats which are covering up the smoke

[wildacex187]

Originally Posted by kpuser1 My shit was smoking with a ebay tp(stock dp). Wanted to take to dealer since I'm still in warranty but was worried about testpipe so I put back to stock and it hasn't smoked since(over 1,000 miles) Dealer wasn't able to get it to smoke either..wtf..It's amazing what that cat covers. Debating taking a chance and puting tp back on and taking to dealer because i'm sure it will start smoking again...idk...

make sure they are mod friendly though.

[dsmluck]

Just got a call from the dealer. They are replacing the Turbo and not the valve cover on my 2009 ms3. NNot sure why. I will try to get more info when I have time. Also I had a downpipe and intake and the dealer wanted me to take off the dp before Bringing it in but I explained to them how the oil killed my cat and they allowed it and Mazda USA approved the work.

[bzwyatt]

Huh. Got a new turbo on my 08 CX-7 (BPV only mod) last December. Wonder if I should ask dealer about this.

[evidence]

Originally Posted by bzwyatt Huh. Got a new turbo on my 08 CX-7 (BPV only mod) last December. Wonder if I should ask dealer about this.

Originally Posted by ripacrombie After reviewing 01-002/11 TSB, it only applies to Mazdaspeed 3 (2007-2009 w/VIN JM1BK****9*187397 and lower) and CX-7's (2007-2009 w/VIN JM3ER****9*224013 and below) and strictly (in red) references 01-001/11 for 2006-2007 MS6 owners. The 01-001/11 TSB, replaces the turbo itself instead of the Ventilation Set suggested in 01-002/11 TSB. If you managed to get a new Ventilation Set AND a new turbo out of this for Mazdaspeed 3/CX-7, you are extremely lucky. 01-002/11 TSB specifically states that a "turbo" replacement is no longer valid or eligible to fix the "white smoke" issue for Mazdaspeed 3 and CX-7 models. It also points out that once the new Ventilation Set is installed, the issue is no longer service-able and considered a "closed topic". Which means, if it didn't fix your issue, your shit out of luck unless you have a compassionate Mazda dealership.

You likely have the new turbo from the previous TSB.. they are instructed not to do the vent fix if you have the new turbo. If you have a cool dealer and a stock TIP not sure it would hurt.. Mazda couldn't have worsened the design, right?

[bzwyatt]

That's right. My car didn't smoke until late last year and I never changed the oil viscosity or did anything else with the first TSB info since I never had a problem. By the time mine started smoking, the second TSB was out and I found it here, went to the dealer and got the new turbo. I guess if I get a catch can I should be good. Can't help wanting all the fixes they offer though. Then again, I changed my oil last weekend and the cover under my engine had 4 or 5 bolts missing, dealer forgot to put them back I guess so I'm scared at what else they might have forgotten...

[dsmluck]

Dealer replaced the turbo and not the valve cover on my 2009 MS3. Not really sure why but that was the instructions from Mazda USA.

[jeff4880]

Is there a part number for just the valve cover? I would like to see the diffrences if it's cheap enough I will buy one and compare the 2.

[08.5MS3]

Originally Posted by jeff4880 Is there a part number for just the valve cover? I would like to see the diffrences if it's cheap enough I will buy one and compare the 2.

It's probably not cheap coming from the dealer. With everything, the dealer quoted $506. Thank you warranty.


Tapawhat?

[ms3.703]

only if they had done this in the first place..

[clydesdale29er]

ok, I'm new to this board and have been doing a ton of catching up as the 07 MS3 I just bought is smoking at idle. it has almost 70K miles on it. do TSBs still apply to me? honestly thinking it is worth a shot anyway.

But if not would a second OCC on the valve cover vent to intake tube do basically the same thing as this up fit? Thanks for the info guys!

[08.5MS3]

Did you buy the extended warranty? Maybe you'll have a nice dealer and they'll do it under warranty. If not, it's a $500 fix.

A second CC couldn't hurt, however, I think the difference is within the valve cover itself.


Tapawhat?

[clydesdale29er]

No warranty. thinking the valve cover difference is just a different/higher/larger baffle. $160 OCC should have plenty of baffling to perform as well as a $500 valve cover....

[Supernova Mafia]

It funny the last time I was at the dealer they noted they are recommending a 0w-20 full synth now for the MS3,.....right up until it starts smoking.

[theurgy]

Anybody who is eligible for this warranty TSB but because of mods is not installing it yet still willing to get the kit and send it to a fellow Canadian Speed3 owner ... gimme a shout.

As usual, Mazda Canada fails again at keeping up to date on TSB's. To hell if they are even going to release it up north.

...thanks for the OP of this thread...

My dealership is doing the "smoke at idle fix" for me on thursday this week.

Complete "360 inspection" today and the problem was slight... but they will fix it anyway.

Kit... $485. Labor 1.5hrs to 3hrs (books at 1.5 but takes longer to complete).

My turbo etc... checked out 100% and they said it should live much longer after the fix is in.

OP rocks. www.mazdaspeedforum.org/forum rocks. Thanks.

[802MS3]

so is cp-e or cobb updating their TIPs to take advantage of the new breather hose location?

my car is beginning to look like a chain-smoker.