GT3071r project... heres the goods

[phailerider]

Originally Posted by dadasracecar ahem...

delete that or i will.. there will be no Haltech bashing in here without a potential reprimand actually, of course, im kidding. I think its pretty funny. I dont think you really needed to dig that up to know Kevin had crawled out on a pretty flimsy limb when he made that comment...lol

[Laloosh]

[Haltech]

Originally Posted by dadasracecar ahem...

How is that bashing their product? I know what a full control ECU flash can do from either one of those companies over a piggyback and its a no brainer.

If the following was in your face, what would you choose:

1 Standback
2. Procede
3. SCT Flash
4 Diablosport Flash
5. Piasini Reflash


Ding Ding Ding, i would be all over #3 like an Ethiopian on a Bigmac!

[dadasracecar]

Originally Posted by Haltech How is that bashing their product? I know what a full control ECU flash can do from either one of those companies over a piggyback and its a no brainer. If the following was in your face, what would you choose: 1 Standback 2. Procede 3. SCT Flash 4 Diablosport Flash 5. Piasini Reflash Ding Ding Ding, i would be all over #3 like an Ethiopian on a Bigmac!

Seriously? Are you kidding? You're the self proclaimed "owner, founder, and boss" of this forum devoted to the MazdaSpeed3/6 and you say that a product developed by a company specifically for those vehicles is flawed, etc and you think they should come and be a part of YOUR forum? Would you come and post in a forum owned by a guy who has repeatedly stated that your products don't work, among other things?

EDIT: and by the way, your response is not the point. You made false claims based on zero personal experience about a product and wonder out loud why that company wouldn't be interested in being a part of your forum. You said, "The Standback is a flawed unit. It can either be the Win32 Application itself not properly modifiying the banks in the Standback OR the software ( ROM ) in the standback that is flawed. Either one you choose to blame, the product itself isnt tuning the car correctly.

If youre AFR isnt changing based off adding or removing fuel, timing, short/long fuel trims, than youre better off letting the stock ECU control it.

As loosh has pointed out, you have $700 boost controller under the hood with a built in map clamp. This just isnt acceptable by any means."

It seems that $700 boost controller did a little something extra for Palerider now doesn't it?

[Laloosh]

truth hurts i guess....

[ptperformance]

Originally Posted by Laloosh truth hurts i guess....

No shit.

There is only one real way to tune, EMS. The SCT flash is great for the guys that get the full potential out of them but other then that it limited. Any good EMS is worth its weight in gold for tuning and saftey. Now if they can just get the damn throttle control for the DBW cars we would all be happy.

[Laloosh]

and palerider didnt gain shit from teh standback. He is using it as a expensive boost control, and last i heard, cant even control boost with it, so yea, its pretty fucken useless. I warned him about the first cold night he gets on it. Might want to buy a giant net to catch the rod returning from orbit....

[mrlilguy157]

they're doing some fueling and a bit of timing with the standback on pale's car.

[Laloosh]

Originally Posted by mrlilguy157 they're doing some fueling and a bit of timing with the standback on pale's car.

and gaining nothing form it. Let me take a stab in the dark. They are trying to add fuel down low and its not reposding cuase theres not enough fuel left, and they are trying to add timing up top and its not making any difference

What do i win? lol

[trufanatic]

damn Chris... the standback isnt sufficient for tuning the ms3...argument done. Now! enough with the damn bashing i think everyone that either owns one or has seen numerous threads how its not doing what its suppose to do has deduced this already.

Cp-e is currently in denial, thats their problem. I kno for a fact their not flying off the shelves like how they were when it first dropped...still doesnt mean you need to shit on it everydamn time the topic comes up.

[Laloosh]

oh it does....cause its posts like this that made me drop 700 bucks on the pos, dotn want others making that mistake.

[trufanatic]

Originally Posted by Laloosh oh it does....cause its posts like this that made me drop 700 bucks on the pos, dotn want others making that mistake.

LoL. considering its a 'PIGGYBACK'. i'll never spend 700$ PERIOD. 200-400 the most.

[phailerider]

Originally Posted by Laloosh and palerider didnt gain shit from teh standback. He is using it as a expensive boost control, and last i heard, cant even control boost with it, so yea, its pretty fucken useless. I warned him about the first cold night he gets on it. Might want to buy a giant net to catch the rod returning from orbit....

you werent reading very closely. I couldnt control boost because we hooked up the vacuum restrictor line wrong. Its CPE that helped us fix that and it controls boost just fine... on a gt3071 btw. Im currently planning my next dyno and street session with it where we continue to finetune the maps PID loop control WITH THE STANDBACK!!! We may play with variable boost controls on the sencondary maps so we dont fuel cut in cold weather.

Originally Posted by mrlilguy157 they're doing some fueling and a bit of timing with the standback on pale's car.

added fuel down low...pulled a little up top... one degree of timing helped, two didnt... we stuck with one. I'll be posting graphs tonight. Im looking at them now, but I dont have axcess to a scanner here. they'll have their own thread later.

Originally Posted by Laloosh and gaining nothing form it. Let me take a stab in the dark. They are trying to add fuel down low and its not reposding cuase theres not enough fuel left, and they are trying to add timing up top and its not making any difference What do i win? lol

Chris you didnt read my remarks earlier. We did make more power... not dramatic but we did. My tuner was pleased.... so am I.

The car still has issues. I wont deny that. Ive got a shit intercooler thats been hurting me from the day I put it on... I think we can do better by hooking the vacuum line pre throttle body... its at the mani now... we need to fine tune the PID loop as stated before.. AND

I need more fuel. The last couple days Ive had violent fuel cut at the 40degree range... been cold down here. No problems though... just fuel cut.

this standback bullshit is played out. Id recommend it to anybody with any kind of build out there. If they sucked so bad therd be a ton available used... well there was Lalooshs and thats about it.

Think about that one. Guys use it.... it has its issues but its still better than all the bogus bullshit smokey promises all these other guys keep talking about.

Its like a fat shit dogging his pro football team drunk at the bar about how much better he could do it. Well where are they?

[gsrtype1]

BIASED BULLSHIT!!!!!those who say "the standback can't do anything" bs! I have no boost spike with mazda cia, run vta with almost no backfire. and I havent been to the dyno yet.. to me 640 is not such a bad deal u can datalog-veryhelpful, and with the v2 u can record yur 1/4mile and 0-60 times via satelite so u don't get the "BS" readings like on the dashhawk..

[Haltech]

When i see more people using V2.0 with success, than ill consider it as an option. However, if you cant add 2 fricken degrees of timing and it didnt help, im very leary. Car should react to timing changes and it should be dramatic, whether its direct inject or not, the car should make power with more timing.

I hope your car makes big power Randy.. 375 is where im hoping you be after you get the turbo squared away and with a new IC. You going front mount?

[phailerider]

Originally Posted by gsrtype1 BIASED BULLSHIT!!!!! "the standback can't do anything" bs! I have no boost spike with mazda cia, run vta with almost no backfire. and I havent been to the dyno yet.. to me 640 is not such a bad deal u can datalog-veryhelpful, and with the v2 u can record yur 1/4mile and 0-60 times via satelite so u don't get the "BS" readings like on the dashhawk..

damn boy... Say it like you mean it!!!

Thats my point. Other than Chris where are all the other guys who actually own the thing who are hollering and bitching about how fucking terrible it is.

And quite frankly... my tuner was like on the fence about v1 but with v2 he was just...wow!! It did everything he asked.... now if the car adjusts or if it runs out of fuel like it did before in cold weather.. thats a different issue.

[phailerider]

Originally Posted by Haltech When i see more people using V2.0 with success, than ill consider it as an option. However, if you cant add 2 fricken degrees of timing and it didnt help, im very leary. Car should react to timing changes and it should be dramatic, whether its direct inject or not, the car should make power with more timing. I hope your car makes big power Randy.. 375 is where im hoping you be after you get the turbo squared away and with a new IC. You going front mount?

yeah fmic... i like the look of the begi just way to small. Problem is the new manifold rubbing all the other setups.. I'll wait for PGs fix and then decide.

Ive got so much shit on my car its hard to no where my problem lies. But I made 306-308 on the dynos I'll post tonight.... its the same dyno that Derek made 248 with RP, ms cai, and iced intercooler. His runs were lower before we iced the ic.

That number is 320-330 anywhere else.

[Haltech]

Originally Posted by palerider yeah fmic... i like the look of the begi just way to small. Problem is the new manifold rubbing all the other setups.. I'll wait for PGs fix and then decide. Ive got so much shit on my car its hard to no where my problem lies. But I made 306-308 on the dynos I'll post tonight.... its the same dyno that Derek made 248 with RP, ms cai, and iced intercooler. His runs were lower before we iced the ic. That number is 320-330 anywhere else.

Did that restrictor deal get solved or are you still working on that?

[gsrtype1]

i still need to send mine in to get the v2 just havent done it yet.. Stephanie at BELL is going to tune my car when i get some extra doah. I want to get an upgraded intercooler and downpipe first..all takes time-money

[Performance Racing]

Originally Posted by Haltech Did that restrictor deal get solved or are you still working on that?

I too am curious about the restrictor.

How EXACTLY is your vaccum routing and boost control (GT turbo).

[phailerider]

Originally Posted by Performance Racing I too am curious about the restrictor. How EXACTLY is your vaccum routing and boost control (GT turbo).

Im thinking we need to go to a source in front of the throttle body.



Im scanning and posting all my dynos in a minute... after seeing the last htree we ran and seeing how Mark adjusted the PID loop ...you'll all be surprised how great the graphs look.

And how repeatable they were. We made 18 runs after we got control of boost.... let me finish that up and start a new thread.

[TRspeed3]

damn i hope you get shit squared away...everyone is having problems with thier bigger turbos im getting scared now got 5 more days till my build starts...

[redrocketz]

Originally Posted by gsrtype1 i still need to send mine in to get the v2 just havent done it yet.. Stephanie at BELL is going to tune my car when i get some extra doah. I want to get an upgraded intercooler and downpipe first..all takes time-money

I doubt it will actually be Stephanie doing the tuning. I would want Corky to do it the man really knows his shit. Tim is actually the guy that would be tuning your shit he's pretty good at it. Ironically they push the Xede unit.

[winniep]

Um, CP-E DOES swap out the version 1 for version 2 free of charge, correct? Still no PnP?

[phailerider]

Originally Posted by winniep Um, CP-E DOES swap out the version 1 for version 2 free of charge, correct? Still no PnP?

they charge 15 dollars. That for s&h or something of that nature.

[ptperformance]

Originally Posted by gsrtype1 BIASED BULLSHIT!!!!!those who say "the standback can't do anything" bs! I have no boost spike with mazda cia, run vta with almost no backfire. and I havent been to the dyno yet.. to me 640 is not such a bad deal u can datalog-veryhelpful, and with the v2 u can record yur 1/4mile and 0-60 times via satelite so u don't get the "BS" readings like on the dashhawk..

OK, this is kind of foolish but here goes.

You can get a OT1 and autobox from Innovate for around $400. Now all you need is a piggy back like an Emanage and you have the same thing as the Standback if not better. With all the claims that have been made with the stand back I am not impressed. The Xede unit has made more power to date and I suspect that if someone were brave enough to dive into an SAFC or other piggy back I suspect that the same gains could be had. Last, get a Megasquirt unit for $400 and have full and complete control of you fuel system and ignition and be done this this crap. I mean for shits sake its a $700 piggy back, another $700 and you could have had a Tec3R or a real EMS unit. Why for the love of god do people keep praising a $700 piggy back is beyond me but the Emanage is right around that price range and trust me, it does way more then the standback could ever think about doing.

[ptperformance]

Originally Posted by palerider yeah fmic... i like the look of the begi just way to small. Problem is the new manifold rubbing all the other setups.. I'll wait for PGs fix and then decide. Ive got so much shit on my car its hard to no where my problem lies. But I made 306-308 on the dynos I'll post tonight.... its the same dyno that Derek made 248 with RP, ms cai, and iced intercooler. His runs were lower before we iced the ic. That number is 320-330 anywhere else.

I am sorry but I would be more then pissed if that was all I got out of what you have spent on your car. As a matter of fact, that would drive me to start drinking.

[ptperformance]

Originally Posted by Haltech When i see more people using V2.0 with success, than ill consider it as an option. However, if you cant add 2 fricken degrees of timing and it didnt help, im very leary. Car should react to timing changes and it should be dramatic, whether its direct inject or not, the car should make power with more timing. I hope your car makes big power Randy.. 375 is where im hoping you be after you get the turbo squared away and with a new IC. You going front mount?

DI cars react way different then normal injected cars. You should see 10 to 20 WHP gains by moving the timing just a little bit, unless mazda has a way to counter act the timing adjustments, by either adding more fuel or knock retard.

[phailerider]

Originally Posted by ptperformance I am sorry but I would be more then pissed if that was all I got out of what you have spent on your car. As a matter of fact, that would drive me to start drinking.

I had a boost leak the whole time I was on the dyno.... read my omg thread in the ms3 lounge.

id like your thoughts on that anyway.

My car is making a shitton more power than it did before.

BTW.... I need an intercooler. Do you have a kit I can grossly overpay for that will fit my setup?

[ptperformance]

Originally Posted by palerider I had a boost leak the whole time I was on the dyno.... read my omg thread in the ms3 lounge. id like your thoughts on that anyway. My car is making a shitton more power than it did before. BTW.... I need an intercooler. Do you have a kit I can grossly overpay for that will fit my setup?

Yes I do and I can make the outlet pipe fit your problem manifold. I am out of core right now but that is an easy fix for the mail system. PM me on some intercooler ideas.