New Borg Warner EFR Turbochargers!!!

[Alpha]

Originally Posted by MS3inDC Regardless of how any of these are made, we need a "take-no-shit" mani for our car that will allow us to run the EFRs. I only push for the F-R mani because I have experience with their product. Their manis are damn near works of art. However, their support of Mazda platforms has left a little to be desired in the past. Getting a reputable shop like F-R to make products for our cars would be awesome. But don't get me wrong. If leen is the only one who wants to show mazdas some then what choice would I have. The turbo is the end goal here. As long as I can run the EFR, and shit won't break, I don't care who's name is on the mani...

Exactly. I really hope we can get this going, an EFR on these cars would be awesome if someone stepped up to the manifold.

[Alpha]

Okay guys, HUGE NEWS!!!

I just got a response from the owner of Full-Race, Geoff. He sounds VERY cool and interested in helping us out so let's show him that the market is here with the Mazdaspeeds!

Here's the email I received:

"Hello Fernando - Thank you very much for the email, I am excited to hear about your enthusiasm for the EFR turbochargers and we are certainly interested in taking a look at your platform. As you mentioned it would be greatly appreciated for you to put together some sort of interest thread/poll (as you mentioned) in order to help us gauge what it is that the community wants. Also if you could get a handle on what fuel mgt options they are most interested in: IE: do most people use COBB? What injector size? If there is anyone local in Phoenix, AZ interested in this, I'd also like to take a look at their engine bay and take some preliminary measurements.

As you know, these EFR turbos were designed from the ground up to be "revolutionary" in their design elements in everything from the materials used to the design of the flow paths (like the wastegate you mentioned). With regards to the wasteges, we have just completed a test which showed the EFR's 42mm internal wg controlling boost *better* than an external 44mm wastegate. This was very good to see, particularly since it allows a huge amount of $$ and complexity to be saved from the turbokit. Also - we were fortunate to work with BorgWarner and Ford, integrating the EFR turbos to their 2.0L ecoboost motors which i know are similar to the L-series engines, and were able to do some testing with them.

All that being said, I just registered for the forum, and please send me a link to your thread so I may start reading up and seeing peoples' comments. Thanks Fernando, talk to you soon!

Respectfully Yours,
Geoff Raicer"

I know we have some local MS6/3s in AZ so hopefully we can get FR a mule to take some measurements from so please chim in.

I'm going to start an interest poll for Geoff so please post up here:

http://www.mazdaspeedforum.org/forum/foru...-inside-72521/

Let's make this happen guys!!!

[Enki]

Originally Posted by Geoff Raicer I just registered for the forum

Paging Haltech to thread.

[Alpha]

Originally Posted by Enki Paging Haltech to thread.

This is a gauging interest topic to better the aftermarket for turbo kits available to this community. Geoff isn't selling anything yet. Relax.

[Enki]

I am relaxed. Just making sure Geoff gets a warm welcome and Hal is in the know.

[MS3inDC]

Originally Posted by Enki I am relaxed. Just making sure Geoff gets a warm welcome and Hal is in the know.

Word, cuz right now Geoff is a brownie...

[Cataphract_40]

Originally Posted by MS3inDC Word, cuz right now Geoff is a brownie...

oh god...that could be bad LOL

[Tokay444]

What kind of maths are involved for calculating runner length vs pulse length so that the twin scroll is fully efficient?

[SSinstaller]

Originally Posted by Tokay444 What kind of maths are involved for calculating runner length vs pulse length so that the twin scroll is fully efficient?

I'm sure there is some horribly complex equations that will give you the perfect runner diameter and length for your engine/turbo/boost, but once you work it through, good luck fitting it under your hood...

IMO, you just need to pair the cylinders properly, and try to keep the runners as close to equal length as possible--it might not get you the 100% perfect twin scroll setup, but I'm sure it'll get you 95-99% of the same performance...

[Alpha]

Twin Scroll 7064? What?

[MS3inDC]

Originally Posted by Alpha Twin Scroll 7064? What?

Tasty bits.

I did read that for some transversal applications that the IWG may not be an option -- the compressor housing would be too large

I don't want to jump the gun, but there are so many possibilities. I just know that my turbo is probably already smoking and I don't even know it. So replacing the K04 fail snail with some state-of-the-art shit will be a top priority.

[Rayd]

Hrrm, a small part of me wants my K04 to fail O.o

[steedspeed]

I think the best thing would be to try and get hold of a turbo to see how best to locate it in the engine bay. With the long outlet to the turbne it might need to be pushed over to one side substantially to make it easier to fit the downpipe.

On the + side though the turbo makes the manifold a much simpler design with no EWG ports so the price would be more around the $550 range which helps cover the extra cost of the turbo. Also don't need to spend $250 per wastegate and no need to buy a BOV so all in all this is probably the best value turbo upgrade there is.

Hence I will make this one a priority.

[Alpha]

Originally Posted by steedspeed I think the best thing would be to try and get hold of a turbo to see how best to locate it in the engine bay. With the long outlet to the turbne it might need to be pushed over to one side substantially to make it easier to fit the downpipe. On the + side though the turbo makes the manifold a much simpler design with no EWG ports so the price would be more around the $550 range which helps cover the extra cost of the turbo. Also don't need to spend $250 per wastegate and no need to buy a BOV so all in all this is probably the best value turbo upgrade there is. Hence I will make this one a priority.

Right, the simplicity of it is attractive in it's own right, let alone the performance benefts.

[amoosenamedhank]

If it can give you ATP simplicity without the ATP creep issues or EWG expensive and hassle... how could it not be win?!

I would much rather spend money on a quality turbo than supporting mods for another.

[steedspeed]

I just built a T3 flanged IWG manifold. If someone is up to the task of trying it with one of these turbos they can have the manifold for $450 shipped.

[Fobio]

Originally Posted by steedspeed I just built a T3 flanged IWG manifold. If someone is up to the task of trying it with one of these turbos they can have the manifold for $450 shipped.

just a small matter of actually having one of these turbo's handy for a test fit...lol...

thanks for looking out leen...

[Tomas]

Originally Posted by steedspeed I just built a T3 flanged IWG manifold. If someone is up to the task of trying it with one of these turbos they can have the manifold for $450 shipped.

Top Mount?

[steedspeed]

Originally Posted by Tomas Top Mount?

I have either but I'm also seeing if the top mount can be flipped and change the turbo flange angle to allow bottom mount TS.

Top mount will work fine on MS6 already but no sure on these turbos with the MS3. I hear they are slimmer than an equivalent hp Garrett

[turboneil]

Originally Posted by steedspeed I just built a T3 flanged IWG manifold. If someone is up to the task of trying it with one of these turbos they can have the manifold for $450 shipped.

Someone jump on this! I would if my car wasn't my DD.

[Tokay444]

that's some quick turnaround right there.
kudos.

[InFeXIoN]

So whatever happened to all this?

[Alpha]

Originally Posted by InFeXIoN So whatever happened to all this?

http://www.mazdaspeedforum.org/forum/foru...-inside-72521/

My 6 along with another member's 3 are currently at Full Race getting mocked up for their new EFR kits as we speak.

[amoosenamedhank]

Originally Posted by Alpha http://www.mazdaspeedforum.org/forum/foru...-inside-72521/ My 6 along with another member's 3 are currently at Full Race getting mocked up for their new EFR kits as we speak.

You actually drove your car down to Phoenix for this? Wow... that's dedication.

[Alpha]

Originally Posted by amoosenamedhank You actually drove your car down to Phoenix for this? Wow... that's dedication.

Nah, I had it transported bro.

[paveltol]

How much time will it take to test the kit?

[Alpha]

Originally Posted by paveltol How much time will it take to test the kit?

I'm sure Full Race will chim in with progress and projections as things take form.

They already have the manifold prototype made, FMICs nearly completed etc so... Not bad for only having an MS3 and my MS6 in the shop for a couple weeks.

I'd post all your questions in the main thread: http://www.mazdaspeedforum.org/forum/foru...-inside-72521/

Thanks!

[InFeXIoN]

Sounds good man. Cant wait for this to become available. Very interested.

[brownv157643]

I'm new here to the forum just saying hey to every one.
My car 06 MPS6


Thanks,


Andrew

[Vansquish]

Originally Posted by brownv157643 I'm new here to the forum just saying hey to every one. My car 06 MPS6 Thanks, Andrew

Nice 7 year old thread revival for no reason at all. I don't know how all you n00bs keep managing to make intro posts in the middle of other people's threads.

[Code Monkey]

[monkey.bones.007]

Yaaaaaaaa, noob guys errywhere.

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