Point me in right direction

[celery952]

Im sure there is a specific post somewhere stating this, and I found ones slightly related. Maybe its just a quick one work answer im looking for.


basically i have installed a sure aeros and pg tip. I just bought a test pipe on a whim for my 6

I plan on ap and full bolt ons and seeing if im satisfied with how fast the car is...


should I upgrade the fuel pump before I install the pipe? and some of what I read even has me worried I should have a pump on already with a tip.....

i was reading a post by cobb saying the order for upgrades should me an intake+ ap
then a cpfp and tip, then exhaust, intercooler blah blah

I know I need a fuel pump and ap before the downpipe, but is a test pipe really gonna affect more than sound anyway?

[helmetface]

Before dp and before signs of failure.

[TRex]

you are removing a cat, and therefor removing restriction...no matter how small, flow will be better

i ran a SRI and TP for 1.5 years before upgrading my pump

BUT! i bought a DH first thing and was continually logging

there is no easy answer here, common community knowledge would tell you fuel pump should be one of the first damn things you buy

i would personally test the waters with minor mods (read not DP) before hopping onto the pump BUT ONLY IF YOU HAVE MONITORING, which it doesnt seem you currently do

if i were you i would look for a DH or get the AP now

[Nitr0EngiE]

If i had to start over big turbo with FP and AP woulda been my first mods even before intake ...

[celery952]

Originally Posted by Nitr0EngiE If i had to start over big turbo with FP and AP woulda been my first mods even before intake ...

thats an interesting thought what turbo and why?

[Nitr0EngiE]

because i spent about 10k on FULL bolt ons and AP with tune and shit even tried standback as well and I could not walk a stock speed(stock was intake and downpipe) I was tuned to more boost and had the fuel pump and everything but we were nose to nose all the way to 155MPH no matter what i DID, he had stock tune it was a fucking slap in the face.

the truth is the stock turbo is the problem and even tuned to higher boost i could not take him like i should have he actually dyno higher then i did. was the worst 1 year of my life trying to take him out.

as soon as i went Garrett turbo I fucked his ass up big time. and I feel with any kind of garrett turbo, ap and fuel pump just those items youll fuck up fully bolted kids with stock turbo guaranteed.

[Chimmike]

Doesn't the NOOB thread address this?

@Nitro, have you been paying attention to the numbers people are making on stock turbos now?

[Nitr0EngiE]

Originally Posted by chimmike Doesn't the NOOB thread address this? @Nitro, have you been paying attention to the numbers people are making on stock turbos now?

yah sure maybe at 4500 RPM what about 5500 i bet they fall on their faces up top

my car makes most power 5500+

i burnt 2 stock turbos to a crisp and most those guys making power are on e85 that does not count ... its not available here in Tampa

ATR was not available when i was trying to beat my friend and that was the biggest problem back then AP is 800% more useful then it was before.

[themytb]

http://www.mazdaspeedforum.org/forum/foru...thread-105248/

Here ya go OP.

[Chimmike]

Originally Posted by Nitr0EngiE yah sure maybe at 4500 RPM what about 5500 i bet they fall on their faces up top my car makes most power 5500+

look at the VD's. they're still making 300hp up top. Maybe your car sucked?
a lot has changed in the past 6 months.

[Nitr0EngiE]

Originally Posted by chimmike look at the VD's. they're still making 300hp up top. Maybe your car sucked? a lot has changed in the past 6 months.

im telling you shit smokey stock turbos i had dealer replace my turbo same week smoking again with full bolt ons it just cant take the abuse of full bolted up top power unless these are the newer version turbos.

Getting a garrett was the best day of my life.

[celery952]

Originally Posted by themytb http://www.mazdaspeedforum.org/forum/foru...thread-105248/ Here ya go OP.

thankyou!


this website is a shit ton of info and not knowing exactly what to search or how to word what you wanna find is difficult sometimes

[bmylez]

Originally Posted by Nitr0EngiE im telling you shit smokey stock turbos i had dealer replace my turbo same week smoking again with full bolt ons it just cant take the abuse of full bolted up top power unless these are the newer version turbos. Getting a garrett was the best day of my life.

Sounds like you had a lemon. Just about everybody on here is going to disagree with you. [nevermind...] I'm running 20psi on a used turbo from someone else with 73k miles on it. Sounds like it can handle abuse to me. Also, @Bucker is running 25psi and probably making as much torque as you are.

[Nitr0EngiE]

25 is not possible on the turbos i used, completely not possible. maybe with everything stock, but toss in fmic and full intake etc. i dont think you can. i was fully fully bolted the turbo was being ass raped trying to hold 20 psi it could not even do 20 without tapering off.

and also 320 is not impressive thats just about what has always been possible with stock turbo i thought your claiming more like 360

thats guy i was competing with fucking dyno 280 with stock tune ... his car was a unicorn im tellin you .

[bmylez]

Where did I ever claim 360? Link, thread?

[speedattic]

frist things first do the hpfp and cobb ap (and buy a autotech kit from edgeautosport.com)if you dont then youre not getting shit! best service in the world.then if down hill from there everthing will fall in to place.good luck with mod your car.dont forget just do you

[MSMS3]

I think guys are finding out that the trick to making very good and extended "up top" power on the K04 and pump gas is to raise boost and load cap down low, keep AFR's on the rich side, do not exceed 17-18 psi by 6,000 rpm, taper it to 14-15 after that, but crank up timing aggressively at high rpm.

That keeps you within the efficiency range of the turbo. The rich AFR provides cylinder cooling to keep EGT's and KR under control, and the cranked up timing does the trick.

Limits are still in the 310-320 whp range (safely) but that ain't bad and is considerably better than a stock ECU bolted car.

Not big turbo by any means, but you'd be surprised.