Stupid questions about BT build I am considering.

[azokaei]

Originally Posted by ms307nm on his there is a nut that you would loosen or tighten to adjust the preload setting and he is running catless after we preloaded we went to go test it to see what we preload it at and would just adjust it to our liking. we hooked it up to a mechanical boost gauge and an air compressor to test how many psi the iwg would see and when it would open. i took video and will get it up loaded tonight so you can see what im talking about

I am definitely going to get the gt3076r then! I cant believe more people aren't running this set up if there is no boost creep or spike! Would it be a good thing to port the iwg to be on the safe side or is there really no need?

[I Love Brownies]

honestly there is no need. atp newly revised iwgs are already ported. he gets no boost creep at all

[knarfies]

ya man that turbo is the shiz. here are my mods:

2008.5 Black Mica Gen 1 Speed3 (aka. Hades ),3076r iwg, Black Injen cai, cpe whales dick, ebay catless dp, turboxs cbe,Cx racing fmic,auto tech hpfp internals, sure rmm, total shift improvement kit,Ventus V12 evo K110,Alpine deck, focals sound, infinity 6.5 rear speakers,10 inch Alpine sub,Turbosmart dual bov,Cobb (E-85 perm tunning),Led light kit, ddm hid kit 35k blue hue fogs, cp-e triple gauge pod, aem boost gauge with boost controller,aem volt gauge,aem wideband controller

do wmi comming soon ; )

[dsmluck]

Originally Posted by ms307nm on his there is a nut that you would loosen or tighten to adjust the preload setting and he is running catless after we preloaded we went to go test it to see what we preload it at and would just adjust it to our liking. we hooked it up to a mechanical boost gauge and an air compressor to test how many psi the iwg would see and when it would open. i took video and will get it up loaded tonight so you can see what im talking about

That is just smart. No guessing.


EDIT: Can you preload it for say 21 psi? What is the drawback of using the WG to control boost? I assume it would be safer because you are taking out one extra system (solenoid/mbc)? It would be cake to hook back up an MBC if you needed to. How hard is the WG to adjust when the turbo is on the car?

[manelscout4life]

So do you need another oil or coolant line or does what ATP provide suffice?

[knarfies]

the turbo i got was the kit which came with the lines but i know you can buy just the turbo and have to do the lines yourself which is what i didnt want to do.

[manelscout4life]

Yeah I don't want to do that neither I want the lines already done.

[azokaei]

looks like I will be joining the big turbo club soon!

[I Love Brownies]

the kit with the lines is a breeze. you have to bend the oil feed line iirc and thats it.

you cant adjust the iwg when the turbo is on the car. you would be better just using an mbc to dial in your boost for sure

[dsmluck]

Originally Posted by ms307nm the kit with the lines is a breeze. you have to bend the oil feed line iirc and thats it. you cant adjust the iwg when the turbo is on the car. you would be better just using an mbc to dial in your boost for sure

Ok will stick with my MBC. I probably should consider giving boost tuning a go but I just gave up after seeing how inaccurate load based tuning was (at least boost wise).

[I Love Brownies]

boost based tuning for the win. we will get you going on a good map after the install

[dsmluck]

Originally Posted by ms307nm boost based tuning for the win. we will get you going on a good map after the install

Well in that case maybe I should get a 3 port EBC? I just don't want any of the issues I had with load based. Was a nightmare trying to get the boost dialed in.

[I Love Brownies]

nah the 2 port will do just fine, dialing in the boost with load based is pretty difficult. when i switched over to boost based the ecu has to perform less tasks to reach the required boost so you dont get any spike.

load based you are trying to hit the target load before required boost leading to boost spike. these are just general statements but you get the point

[dsmluck]

Originally Posted by ms307nm nah the 2 port will do just fine, dialing in the boost with load based is pretty difficult. when i switched over to boost based the ecu has to perform less tasks to reach the required boost so you dont get any spike. load based you are trying to hit the target load before required boost leading to boost spike. these are just general statements but you get the point

So you are saying the stock 2 port will do the job fine under boost tuning?

[I Love Brownies]

yes exactly thats what @knarfies is running and has no problems.

[TWOptSL0W]

Originally Posted by ms307nm yes exactly thats what @knarfies is running and has no problems.

ill be doing that also within the next couple of weeks so ill post up if it shits out on me for some reason

[zpele]

Subbed for pics and final price of this build. Might do this in about a year myself just need to be fully bolted first.

[knarfies]

i think the reason though that im able to run the 2 port is because i have the bigger spring in the solenoid which means i barely use the solenoid to make boost. I was hitting 20 psi with spring pressure alone so hitting 22 psi means the solenoid barely has any work to do.

[TWOptSL0W]

i havent messed with anything. i'm just using the high boost wastegate (14 psi) and ill mess around from there so well see if i blow up or not

[knarfies]

ya when dustin was riding around with me tunning, the 2 port was crazy overestimated as with lower targets i hit boost cut at 25 psi lol. the spring was way efficient and we hardly had to use the solenoids full potential. We eased into going wot to make sure i wasnt boosting way crazy. Now that im more dialed in, im holding 22 psi to redline with an e85 tune untill my meth kit comes in and we can dyno tune. Im thinking 24 psi for the street with more timming.

Car pulls hella crazy now. i dont regret it one bit.

[RayRay]

Subbed!

Franks car is fast as hell. Stock mani and just the 3076 made him one of the fastest cars here in ABQ!

Late to the party as usual, but Eric was dead on! Other than that coolant line, we didn't have any issues. I was planning on doing the 3071 with iwg, but after I saw the way Franks pulled the other night, I just don't know! Only thing a 71 might give is a little quicker spool.

I'm also down for a weekend Denver run! Eric is the brains, I can turn a wrench! Cant wait to get his on with the Nastiest ewg!

Meth kit coming for me FTMFW!!!

[frodaddyweez]

Very nice. I've been debating on switching to a 76 instead of the 71 too. Only $100 more but you get some wiggle room down the road for moar powa. I wanted to wait til my tax refund next year but this thread is making me want to order it before the fall semester.

[RayRay]

Two main reasons I will probably do the 3071... I want to spool quicker for street runs... I want. To use my cs tmic! Should flow enough without having to go with a fmic! Want to keep a "stockish" look!

[I Love Brownies]

Originally Posted by frodaddyweez Very nice. I've been debating on switching to a 76 instead of the 71 too. Only $100 more but you get some wiggle room down the road for moar powa. I wanted to wait til my tax refund next year but this thread is making me want to order it before the fall semester.

dooooo eeeeeet!!! you wont regret it

[eppopipe]

The more I read, the more I want to go BT myself.
Anybody wanna help install in ohio?

[I Love Brownies]

Originally Posted by eppopipe The more I read, the more I want to go BT myself. Anybody wanna help install in ohio?

dude im sure there are plenty of people that could help you. im telling you man this swap is no harder then replacing the stock dp. the drop in unit is a cake walk.

[MS3-a(sore)ASS-rex]

Eric knows best. Now everyone buy new turbos!!!!

[knarfies]

eric only knows best because he sleeps with the rest.

hahahahahahahahah!

eric is so nator'ed out because he takes blow jobs for payment on working on your car! ; )

[I Love Brownies]

lol i just like wrenching on cars. shit is so much fun and the go fast factor is a plus.

frank you still owe rob and i dinner for your swap. lol jk jk

[BlueStreak]

Go with a bigger nozzle than a D07. I recommend at least a D10 for the 3071/3076.

[knarfies]

really? we figured 5 or 7. damnit lol. we shall see how it flows hahaha.

eric im cool with buying you guys some comida for the help man.

[I Love Brownies]

Originally Posted by BlueStreak Go with a bigger nozzle than a D07. I recommend at least a D10 for the 3071/3076.

o rly? why do you say that? the only reason im asking is cause i was going to order the d07 this friday with my meth. thanks for any tips

[I Love Brownies]

frank i was just giving you shit. some eat with us tho

[BlueStreak]

Originally Posted by ms307nm o rly? why do you say that? the only reason im asking is cause i was going to order the d07 this friday with my meth. thanks for any tips

It's more of an experience thing. I used to run the D07 with my K04 and noticed that the effect on BATs juuuusssttt started to decrease near redline at 20PSI. Mind you, the K04 was throwing fire into the engine at that boost level.

Because you're going to a bigger turbo that flows alot more air, you will need to up the meth dosage in order for it to maintain its effectiveness at maintaining low BATs. I for one, flow a total of 12GPH (4xD03 nozzles) using a direct port setup.

A caveat to running a larger nozzle is that you will run out of meth really quick. If you do decide to run a larger nozzle, I suggest switching to a MAF based meth controller. DO makes a voltage based controller that can hook up to the MAF and is better at managing meth injection based on airflow rather than boost. I am looking into this solution as well.

[I Love Brownies]

Originally Posted by BlueStreak It's more of an experience thing. I used to run the D07 with my K04 and noticed that the effect on BATs juuuusssttt started to decrease near redline at 20PSI. Mind you, the K04 was throwing fire into the engine at that boost level. Because you're going to a bigger turbo that flows alot more air, you will need to up the meth dosage in order for it to maintain its effectiveness at maintaining low BATs. I for one, flow a total of 12GPH (4xD03 nozzles) using a direct port setup. A caveat to running a larger nozzle is that you will run out of meth really quick. If you do decide to run a larger nozzle, I suggest switching to a MAF based meth controller. DO makes a voltage based controller that can hook up to the MAF and is better at managing meth injection based on airflow rather than boost. I am looking into this solution as well.

thanks that makes perfect sense. i will order the d07 and the d10 nozzle for my kit

[frodaddyweez]

And everyone here we're talking about going BT are on stock internals, right?

[I Love Brownies]

yup. everyone i believe.

[RayRay]

Originally Posted by BlueStreak It's more of an experience thing. I used to run the D07 with my K04 and noticed that the effect on BATs juuuusssttt started to decrease near redline at 20PSI.

That's interesting. Rob is running the DO Stage 2 kit with the D03 nozzle and his BAT's drop to the 70's and 80's (or below) almost instantly. And I believe he is running 20psi peak.

And I am pretty sure all the NM group is getting the MAF setup. That is the 2.5 Bar setup right?

[rfinkle2]

Originally Posted by ms307nm dude im sure there are plenty of people that could help you. im telling you man this swap is no harder then replacing the stock dp. the drop in unit is a cake walk.

Wanna drive to NJ?

lol.

[I Love Brownies]

yeah i can fly out there haha