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So I was trolling the TotalMPS fb page today and saw they made a TS T3 manifold; My first response was to wet myself but when I looked closely at the pictures something seemed off:





If you look closely, instead of the typical pairing of runners 1-4 and 2-3, they've paired 1-3 and 2-4.
From my understanding, this goes against the whole idea of twin scroll... instead of separating the out of phase pulses, they're joining them... wouldn't that make the whole thing pointless?

That's my train of thought. Just looking for someone smarter than myself to confirm. What say you gearheads?

EDIT: They responded to my question and said they did two, the other pairing 1-4; they're going to post pictures tomorrow.
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ebay special right here. or a fabricator that has no fucking clue what hes doing. obx has a better twin scroll manifold for us lol
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ebay special right here. or a fabricator that has no fucking clue what hes doing. obx has a better twin scroll manifold for us lol
Is anybody running the twin scroll ebay manifold on here???? Just curious to see pics of it installed.
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Did you ask Gunther on their FB page >

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Did you ask Gunther on their FB page >

https://www.facebook.com/groups/111219995577318/
I asked in the comment section for the pictures linked in the OP; also updated OP with their response:
Yes we made two prototypes one with 1-3 pairing and 1-4 pairing to see how this engine responds to various setups of runner pairing & camshaft variations . Will pop on the 1-4 paired image in morning
Also this style manifold design (ie not runner pairing) we can use t25 t3 t3 twin and t4 flanges with no clearance issues and turbo choice is increased
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Hi before this gets a bit a bit one side. This is the reply I put on our f book page

Yes we made two prototypes one with 1-3 pairing and 1-4 pairing to see how this engine responds to various setups of runner pairing & camshaft variations . Will pop on the 1-4 paired image in morning

I'm not trying to make this one sided at all, just looking for more information. We SORELY need a TS option.
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this store seems to be shelling out tons of SURE stuff
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HAHAAHAHAHHAHHA If this where a full race mani it would be in there junk been waiting to be cut up and reused!!!
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Hi before this gets a bit a bit one side. This is the reply I put on our f book page

Yes we made two prototypes one with 1-3 pairing and 1-4 pairing to see how this engine responds to various setups of runner pairing & camshaft variations . Will pop on the 1-4 paired image in morning
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Any chance for a t4 Gunther?
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I know that since I am not really on here much . Best get on . This manifold has been constructed for Borg efr range. So no clearance issues with those turbos . Also we stayed with internal gate as we have spoken to Borg regarding boost control issues ie 30psi and they stated that the internal gate will easily Handle 30psi with no boost control issues .

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What's the biggest efr you guys have tried in the stock location?
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Hmmm. This could be interesting.
Hope there will be a donwpipe too.

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Please make a twin scroll t4 top mount that doesn't need alt relocation for the DP.

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I would love to see this option for us in the future...please make it and make it well
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The OBX/Ebay POS has an evo flange I believe... no one is running it that I've seen.
@Total mps; any updates on those pictures?
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Also, will there be an EWG option for those of us who aren't planning on running EFRs?
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sorry for long delay customer that has out tester is offshore for few month so we have made a new one for pics





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Looks nice I want now

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external wastegate option will follow on the new year , will be test fitting garrets new t3 twin scroll on my gtx35 as soon as it arrives
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external wastegate option will follow on the new year , will be test fitting garrets new t3 twin scroll on my gtx35 as soon as it arrives
I don't want to hate. At All. I love all the development you guys are doing for this platform... But...

t3 twinscroll gtx35r will be the most expensive, poorest flowing setup you could put together.

If going twinscroll, I would have LOVED to see you guys go T4, so you would actually get the benefits of the twinscroll setup. As far as turbo, it's no secret that Garrett just flat out can't hang right now, unless the turbo name has HTA in front of it. The GTX's just haven't lived up to the initial hype, and they're WAY more expensive than a better performing PTE turbo.

Looking for some great things from you guys though, so I hope for the best, just giving some constructive criticism. Manifold looks great though, and I would die for your AWD Speed3 setups!
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I don't want to hate. At All. I love all the development you guys are doing for this platform... But...

t3 twinscroll gtx35r will be the most expensive, poorest flowing setup you could put together.

If going twinscroll, I would have LOVED to see you guys go T4, so you would actually get the benefits of the twinscroll setup. As far as turbo, it's no secret that Garrett just flat out can't hang right now, unless the turbo name has HTA in front of it. The GTX's just haven't lived up to the initial hype, and they're WAY more expensive than a better performing PTE turbo.

Looking for some great things from you guys though, so I hope for the best, just giving some constructive criticism. Manifold looks great though, and I would die for your AWD Speed3 setups!
Their fb says they can easy do t4 and other t set ups

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Their fb says they can easy do t4 and other t set ups

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Yep, which is exactly why I'm so disappointed, seeing them spend time on a T3 TS and that turbo.
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Fuck yea!!!!!!! Twin gate?

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This was originally developed to take the efr t3 Range . Of turbines
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This was originally developed to take the efr t3 Range . Of turbines
There is no TS T3 EFR turbine housing. At least not from BW. The T3s are all single scroll.
All their TS housings are T4.
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Well subbed for more details and results! Twin gates plz and I can make the jump n just but a t3 turbo lol

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The company we deal with for all our turbo designs ets have a t3 twin and t4 efr housing wich is what we are using
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Looks like a nice piece! Consider me officially impressed.
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would be nice if they were also offered with an EWG option.
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would be nice if they were also offered with an EWG option.
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external wastegate option will follow on the new year , will be test fitting garrets new t3 twin scroll on my gtx35 as soon as it arrives
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would be nice if they were also offered with an EWG option.
Apparently they will have one finished early next year.
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Guess he didnt wanna become a vendor? Or is he on a msf hit list? Kinda looked like a nice mani but we have seen that number before lol
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Guess he didnt wanna become a vendor? Or is he on a msf hit list? Kinda looked like a nice mani but we have seen that number before lol
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The original is not banned, so they can post as their original account which is a personal one. They make badass suff, like the AWD MS3. Sadly, also HUGE SURE reseller/warranty center for Europe for failparts.
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i've been replacing his halos with BeCuse Seals.
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i've replacing his halos with BeCuse Seals.
That's funny, considering they SWORE that they didnt leak. Guess the payoff $ stopped, lol. Yeah, I knew you were doing that months ago. To really win me, they drop SURE, pick up any of the major brands here that make superior products, and essentially cut off Europe from crap SURE makes.

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