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First off..
some of you will know this info, others wont so here is a brief reason of why i did it.
why?
A 17 pound cast iron monster lives right under cylinder # 3, blocking potential oil capacity and provides what i would guess is a pound or two of rotating mass ( rotating mass robs power from each revolution of a piston, so taking off or reducing rotating mass essentially gives you a motor that has to work less to produce power; lightweight pullys, flywheels, wheels, ect.)
The oil capacity goes up a quart or so with the removal of the balance shaft, which is a major selling point to me.
Ill let the blown motor threads and the speculation that the B/S (balance shaft) is causing some blown motors through inadequate oil distribution to be discovered elsewhere.

for some stages, i do not have pictures, because they are basic steps, and if you are not able of performing them on your own, you shouldn`t be attempting this install.

Jack up the car.
remove oil cap.
use a 17mm socket to pull drain plug.
drain oil.
remove oil filter.



next, remove the 12 10mm bolts that secure the oil pan from the bottom.


remove the 4 8mm bolts that lay parallel to the ground on the passanger side, next to a hard line covered in rubber/silicon.


remove the 4 14mm oil pan bolts that parallel to the ground on the drivers side, near the flywheel area. (two point one way, two point the opposite)


Do not worry about this black hard line, it is for you oil dipstick and will simply slide off when you pull the pan.

Use a hammer or similar to pry the oil pan and break the seal of the stock gasket material.
I pried off the front, near where the oil filter goes.


carefully, remove pan. some finaggling (haha) might be needed.

Next, there is some type of oil feed system(made of black plastic) which is held on by two 8mm bolts, remove them, and pull the plastic piece.



Remove the 4 14mm bolts that connect the balance shaft to the rest of the block.
(note: when these are removed the balance shaft will come out, so have a friend hold the shaft or keep a hand holding it up to remove last one or two bolts)


I did NOT remove the ring that turns the balance shaft. I did not have any tools to do it and i didnt quite know what it entailed. if someone has info feel free to chime in.

use the delete kit and 8mm alan bolt to plug the old oil feed hole of the balance shaft. (if i have my cylinder #`d correctly, it is between # 3 and #4 cylinders; the two closest to the drivers side.)



remove all the gasket material that was left on the block where the oil pan met up to it.

reinstall the black oil feed thing with the two 8mm bolts.

now back to that oil pan, remove any of that stock gasket material that may still be on it.


the oil baffle is optional, but i would recommend it, and there is also a windage tray coming to the market soon i believe.
also i cleaned out my oil pan to see how dirty it was. it was pretty bad.
remove the stock oil baffles ( if you bought a new one to install), which are connected by 10mm bolts, then install a baffle as seen here.


apply grey tube gasket material to outside of pan (mostly on top, but i believe the passenger side where the 8 mm bolts went was on the side of the pan for gasketing.)


reinstalling the oil pan is going to be hit or miss. for me it took a few attempts but i knew right when i had it, and having the help of babs was a plus. make sure the dipstick line gets in there and everything lines up. mine lined up quite well.

reinstall the 12 10mm bolts, the 4 8mm bolt on the passanger side, and the 4 14mm bolts near the flywheel area.

reinstall filter, drain plug, and fill with oil ( an extra quart at least)

reward yourself with a beer.


enjoy working on your car (yours truely)


and watch babs lift some weights





NOTES!!!!
after pulling my pan, i realized how much oil was still in there. an oil change doesnt get all of it out thats for sure.


This thing is huge a ridiculous.



Impressions...
well. i have some piece of mind now. extra oil and a free`d up oil pan with good oil access to all parts of crank make me feel good.
Did i notice a huge difference, probably in my head but maybe. not really. but my butt dyno rarely feels anything ever.
Vibrations.
at idle, i noticed no difference what so ever.
driving, i noticed a bit from 2500-4000 under certain load types, but not enough to make me regret doing it, not even close.

hope this helps some one out.
and thanks to babs for drinking beer and giving me a hand.
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Great write up!
I''m guessing you didn't have to put that plastic oil feeder/router back in?
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Originally Posted by bioevolve View Post
Great write up!
I''m guessing you didn't have to put that plastic oil feeder/router back in?
no idea...
i put it back in because the way the baffle was designed it fit in there just right with a cut out for it, so i figured i should.
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DOPE. thanks dane
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Great write up. Thanks for your effort!
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Mother Hampster! I had no idea the BS assembly blocked that wide of an area. Nice write-up and thanks for taking a pic showing the assembly still attached.
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Great write up!
I''m guessing you didn't have to put that plastic oil feeder/router back in?
I hope you aren't talking about the oil pickup tube. If so, it's kind of important. Not sure how long the engine would run without it.
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thanks a lot dane!!! I had no idea that thing was that big. So did mazda only put that in there to reduce vibration?
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thanks a lot dane!!! I had no idea that thing was that big. So did mazda only put that in there to reduce vibration?
from what i understand that was the reason for it...
seems like a bit much to me
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Jeezus did you have to re-adjust the ride height in the front after pulling that monster! Way to not fall prey to that money-costing "as long as we've got it apart" monster.
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Great write-up. I wholeheartedly recommend this mod. I sort of wish I had my ms6 just so I could do it.
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ill trade you for the 335 dada...
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Please post the info on where I can get the kit. Great write up.
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pretty sure you can order one through jeff at PG, PTP has a windage tray and balance shaft delete...
PM wassup61 i think is the S/N for jeff. see what he can do..
also ordering through f2USA is probably possible too...
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Very Nice Writeup Dane... WTF is that freaking shit???

Looks like the Gawwdaaam Lockness Monstah... Did it ask you for Tree Fitty??
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i already gave him my damn tree fiddy... haha
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HA....

So, is this pretty much the same procedure for the MS3?
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yup... Phillyb and i did his not too long ago
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Thanks, I am going to tackle this soon...
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same shit. mad straightforward uninstall and install
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This actually looks easier than I thought it was. Great writeup, will be doing it soon.
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^^^ DO IT!!!!
if you know righty tighty/ lefty loosey,
and how to change oil thats all there is too it
i recommend doing it soon!!!
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looks good, only one question dane. You say that as you are unbolting the balance assembly to have a friend hold your shaft?? is that waht the beer is for? to get the other guy in the mood?
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looks good, only one question dane. You say that as you are unbolting the balance assembly to have a friend hold your shaft?? is that waht the beer is for? to get the other guy in the mood?
not required, but recommended..
like the first time YOU got another guy in the mood, would have been much easier with lube, know what i mean? :phillyb:

get what im saying???
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oh, but i do.
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i had to use tweezers to hold danes shaft though with is hard when ur drunk
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^^^
at least you asked me to cum on your face...
made it a little better for me...
cant believe you asked for it. lol fag
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very nice write up .. ill be doing that mod later this summer
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Done! Thanks for the great write up w/ pics.
I did the Oil filter conversion at the same time.
After everything was back in.... 8 qts!
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d00000d, i need spin on conversion
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im sensing a phillyb visit soon with spin on and bowls :phillyb:
bring a girlfriend this time too damn it.
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lol, so she can just wander around your house
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Thanx for the how-to! Im doing mine now as we speak.
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Alright. Finished the bsd, kinda... When I was torqueing the bolts on the oil pan one of the last bolts broke. Thank god we heard the snap and backed it out easy. Once the bolt was out it snapped in half. So the car sits on jackstands for the time being since no1 sells these bolts! It was the skinny bolt on the bottom towards the transmission. I misread the instructions from another site that said to torque the bolts the 35 ft. lbs. Come to fine out they are supposed to be 15.

Anywho got the balance shaft out and capped with ptp's bsd kit. Also cleaned the oil pan up and put on ptp's windage tray. Will be posting pics later. Also on the balance shaft I noticed there was discoloration like some have mentioned. Dane's looks brand new in that 3rd to last pic. On mine the rod pieces were blue. Im assuming over heating. Also the teeth on the balance shaft were showing signs of wear. There were small chips comming off the top of the teeth on the gears. Good thing I just got this thing off.
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my car only had about 20k on it i think.
i dont know how many miles phillyb had when we did his but i think it looked similar to mine.
interested in windage tray pics..
they have a cut out for the oil feed tube?
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Looks like this.


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dane, about 30k on my car.
i just did this to morris's car too, idk how many miles on his. he also had the ptp windage tray. pics look good quik6
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for those of you that clean out the pan, what do you use?
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I used carb and choke cleaner. Then rinsed with water.
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