BIG POWER IS FINALLY HERE!!!

[bioevolve]

G'Damnit, You guys are going to get me into a divorce with my wife over this shit. I'm just sitting happily around the 300whp for daily driving and you had to go a do this. Power Mod bug has filled my veins now, thanks.

I'll de-mod some first and change the car modding direction again. %$&@*#!@#!@##@


BTW: Great Job!!!

[socks]

no, I watched the tuning the whole process... their was no KR, nor any negative timing adjustments on the standback log.

he said there was still about 7-8* of timing play on pump gas but that it likely wouldnt result in enough power difference to be worth it.

[Spoolme]

ha, Bioevolve I'm in the same boat. My wife freaked out just the other night!

[www.cp-e.com]

We have A LOT more big announcements coming. This was just the beginning. I am hoping I can get a few more big turbo built blocks to come up here or send their ecu's in.

We do need to make sure you have certain parts as our flashes are made for a specific combination of some parts. I will be making some writeups on what needs to be purchased and done to allow this type of success. I will stress that I would NOT recommend doing what we did here with Sean on a stock motor.

[Frequentflyer]

Originally Posted by Steevo Definetly. Are there any companies that make aftermarket cams for these cars yet?

PTP, I believe.

[yoichi]

this has to apply to GT28's.......

[djuosnteisn]

Originally Posted by socks ...the first pull on the dynojet the car overboosted, which is odd, i thought dynojets ran less boost because they produced less load. the boost spiked to around 30psi and i got off quick. ...

Even with a MBC? Very odd that it would over boost period, regardless of loading. Did you guys tap into the boost for the dyno computer? Maybe that line popped off??? I just don't know how you can over boost with mbc.

Originally Posted by socks Im sure 3.25" is fine. im using a 3.5" i wouldnt worry about it unless you start maxing that out. I havent even looked at my voltages since...

You will max out the g/s before you max out the voltage, even on 3.25" maf.

[clos561]

good job cpe, keep it up. we have a nice start to the new year!

[BlackMS3]

I can't wait until we're at the point we have a set list of known mods that WILL give you 500whp and 20,000 miles of driving to back them up.

Once that is established I'll pour my money in!

A big thanks to the venders and owners that put their shit on the line to make this all happen!!!

[Alpha]

Originally Posted by BlackMS3 I can't wait until we're at the point we have a set list of known mods that WILL give you 500whp and 20,000 miles of driving to back them up. Once that is established I'll pour my money in! A big thanks to the venders and owners that put their shit on the line to make this all happen!!!

Definitely! I want to see how this affects the stock motor guys.

[TunerGuy]

[/QUOTE]

I won't go into details on RR but the dynos the posted have been manipulated a bit. We have the runfiles for those who want them of our runs. I will let them do their own thing as we don't make the parts they are trying to sell. Their dynos just don't even come close to looking legit.[/QUOTE]

WOW!!! That is not just unprofessional but quite an insult to Race Roots! Since you are the official public spokesman of CP-E and therefore speak for the entire company, tell us, what proof do you have that they manipulated their dyno’s?

To make such a claim surely you have proof? Actual proof, not opinion please.

[Alpha]

Originally Posted by Darksun280 Rod > Block

Just saying. I wonder if this changes how far we can safely take the SBE?

[Haltech]

Originally Posted by Alpha Just saying. I wonder if this changes how far we can safely take the SBE?

Well i still believe with additional fuel volume, the Rod wont exit as quickly as a fuel starved engine. Whatever the wall paremeter is, may be a key to higher horsepower stock engines. We will soon see.. I suggest Darky tries it out since he isnt married yet.

[bioevolve]

Basic list to obtain 500whp/500wtq eh?
Pistons
Rods
Bearings
APR Studs, Nuts and Bolts
Very Big Turbo
Ex Manifold w/ ext WG
Gasket set
Beefed Injector seals
Head PnP Worked
IM PnP Worked
Port match TB w/ new BF
3.5" MAF
SB
ECU Flash
Tune

[Alpha]

Originally Posted by Haltech Well i still believe with additional fuel volume, the Rod wont exit as quickly as a fuel starved engine. Whatever the wall paremeter is, may be a key to higher horsepower stock engines. We will soon see.. I suggest Darky tries it out since he isnt married yet.

Haha! Neither am I and I'm in the process of putting together a sly "Stock" 2871 hybrid turbo setup. Should be a fun DD.

[rodrigo]

darkie wont be trying any power mods any time soon...remember his rods didnt exit the block...only his balls.

Originally Posted by Haltech Well i still believe with additional fuel volume, the Rod wont exit as quickly as a fuel starved engine. Whatever the wall paremeter is, may be a key to higher horsepower stock engines. We will soon see.. I suggest Darky tries it out since he isnt married yet.

[Lex]

Seeing the torque drop in the 24psi dyno I'm not convinced 500whp is a no brainer. Other factors may come into play.

[SneakyP86]

Damn Lenny..........Phil you gonna let him talk to you like that??

[BlackMS3]

Originally Posted by bioevolve Basic list to obtain 500whp/500wtq eh? Pistons Rods Bearings APR Studs, Nuts and Bolts Very Big Turbo Ex Manifold w/ ext WG Gasket set Beefed Injector seals Head PnP Worked IM PnP Worked Port match TB w/ new BF 3.5" MAF SB ECU Flash Tune

When there's a dyno at 500whp and another dyno at 20,000 miles, I'll throw money at every one of those mods.

[AmillieMS6]

i woud love too see what Marks car can do with Cp-e.
If he can get his car running and over to Cp-e, i think history car be made...


And DAMN 30+ people viewing this thread afternoon on a Monday. Jesus doesn't anyone work around here lol

[Darksun280]

Originally Posted by SneakyP86 Damn Lenny..........Phil you gonna let him talk to you like that??

At this point it should be common knowledge that I'm a coward and just want to live the rest of my life as a normal law abiding citizen.

[socks]

Originally Posted by Lex Seeing the torque drop in the 24psi dyno I'm not convinced 500whp is a no brainer. Other factors may come into play.

remember lex, i only have a 3071, and technically 24psi might be out of its efficiency...

just like you run out of efficiency at 20+psi on the stock turbo at higher rpms, any turbo is going to do the same if its too small to do what your asking it to do.

[Darksun280]

Originally Posted by socks remember lex, i only have a 3071, and technically 24psi might be out of its efficiency...

Technically I think when tis out of efficiency TQ would actually go up and HP would level off or drop. Example is like when we spin our baby stock turbos to all hell we still make tq but no power.

[socks]

no, when you spool a stock turbo to 24psi, it may be in its efficiency at 3000rpms....

but when you try to keep that boost level up at 6000rpms, its not so easy. torque will drop.

similar effect here. its ok out of its efficiency, makes 400tq at 3800rpms.... but it starts to be out of range and begins to drop off.

[-cj-]

Any videos posted yet? I'm dying to see an in-car video of your beast.....

[sbspeed]

I'm glad I never sold my SB and PNP - hopefully they'll come out with a 900 rpm idle flash and I'm sold!

[www.cp-e.com]

I would venture to say that 500whp is WAY out of a 3071's efficiency. The 3071 is a strong 415-435whp turbo. It can make more but not efficiently. A 3076 is better suited for the mid 400s and a 35r is the 500 territory.

The thing you guys should always remember is bigger isn't always better. You want to properly size a turbo for your vehicle. If you want a solid 360 you want to go with a 2871. If you want a solid 400-425 you want a 3071. If you want 450ish you want a 3076. If you want HUGE power 35r. The 35r will make 550 on this engine. Properly sizing a turbo is the most important thing to remember. For this car I would stay away from a T4 turbo. A T3 35r with a .82 back housing will make tons of power. If you want to make even more you can always put the 1.06 on it for the track just make sure your ready to support what that can make.

[Sacrilicious]

Originally Posted by socks no, when you spool a stock turbo to 24psi, it may be in its efficiency at 3000rpms.... but when you try to keep that boost level up at 6000rpms, its not so easy. torque will drop. similar effect here. its ok out of its efficiency, makes 400tq at 3800rpms.... but it starts to be out of range and begins to drop off.

ya, that makes sense. the thing that i'm wondering about is whether there's a need for a cam upgrade if you got yourself a GT35R to hold efficiency with 24psi through the rev range. are there cp-e shop cars with gt3076 or gt35r's handy?

[socks]

Originally Posted by -cj- Any videos posted yet? I'm dying to see an in-car video of your beast.....

Video embedded in first post

Originally Posted by Sacrilicious ya, that makes sense. the thing that i'm wondering about is whether there's a need for a cam upgrade if you got yourself a GT35R to hold efficiency with 24psi through the rev range. are there cp-e shop cars with gt3076 or gt35r's handy?

Give me some time to hop on a dynojet. I'll try to do it soon. I think you'll be pleasantly suprised.

[JMEngineer]

I want to see numbers with a 3076 and a 3582

[Darksun280]

wait I just looked at the dyno where is socks TQ failing off so bad that this is an issue?

[djuosnteisn]

on the mustang plot

[Sacrilicious]

Originally Posted by socks Give me some time to hop on a dynojet. I'll try to do it soon. I think you'll be pleasantly suprised.

lawl...that run is going to leave a lot of previous work in the dust...yay for progress!

[bf360]

I won't go into details on RR but the dynos the posted have been manipulated a bit. We have the runfiles for those who want them of our runs. I will let them do their own thing as we don't make the parts they are trying to sell. Their dynos just don't even come close to looking legit.[/QUOTE]

WOW!!! That is not just unprofessional but quite an insult to Race Roots! Since you are the official public spokesman of CP-E and therefore speak for the entire company, tell us, what proof do you have that they manipulated their dyno’s?

To make such a claim surely you have proof? Actual proof, not opinion please.[/QUOTE]

I am not from cpe, and im the one who brought it into play that it may have been altered then people got suspicious and rr had their thread closed, so you make your own assumptions about what went down.

Look at rr's graph, their lack of info, and tell me you wouldnt think the same.

Congrats on the numbers, and making dam good power especially for this turbo, maybe even better than comparable platforms, 428whp on 19psi on a 3071 which is pretty small in terms of big turbos is a great accomplishment.

[Click Here]

Originally Posted by djuosnteisn You will max out the g/s before you max out the voltage, even on 3.25" maf.

What do you mean by that? So long as you don't exceed 5-volts, why would the mass of air matter?

[kilik2]

sounds like its track time? Cpe, do you have any cars doing some hpde's? I would like to see some ms3's hitting up some time trials.

[djuosnteisn]

Perhaps i'm referencing an atr limitation or an ecu limitation... I'm not sure

...but after i calibrate for a 3.25" maf housing, i end up with a plateau near the upper voltage range of fixed 500 g/s, cause that's the highest value ATR will let you enter into that table.

If (big if) it's an ecu limitation, then you'll max out the g/s before you reach 5v on the sensor.

[Grim]

nice to see the wall is finally broken for this car.I expect a lot of high hp MS3's for 2010.

[BoostIsBetter]

I want to know what CPE can do for me power wise with the standback, if I just go intake, exhaust, manifold and bigger turbo, and keep the engine stock. Essentially bolt ons + bigger turbo and CPE fueling magic tuning solutions.

[bf360]

Originally Posted by BoostIsBetter I want to know what CPE can do for me power wise with the standback, if I just go intake, exhaust, manifold and bigger turbo, and keep the engine stock. Essentially bolt ons + bigger turbo and CPE fueling magic tuning solutions.

It can do the samething as socks car as long as it doesnt pop, built motor doesnt mean more hp just protection