CP-e downpipe cat gone bad?

[Ferdball]

I tried to get smogged today. If you're in CA, then you'd better take off your downpipe before even trying. Yes, they'll notice.

Besides that, I didn't pass the emissions part of the test. It looks like my cat went bad. I've had this on for about 4 years now. Is this normal?

[caesura]

When I bought my CPE Dp used on here from another member, the cat was completely fucked, (seller didn't tell me), but I called CPE and since I wasn't the original owner I couldn't get it through their warranty.

However, CPE told me to send it to them and they welded in a new cat for $150 and shipped it back to me free of charge.

[Lex]

There are several other ways to help reduce CO.

1. Reduce timing - a lot - like by 8-10 degrees across the board
2. Throw in some methanol in the tank. 1 gallon methyl hydrate in half a tank of gas.

[Ferdball]

Okay, maybe. But I'm 100x above average in NO (PPM). I think there is a hole where my cat used to be. Going to have to stock out. I'll see if I can get a good picture.

[Lex]

The CPE cat and aftermarket 2way cats don't do much for NOx. You need a 3 way cat for that which the OEM is.

Also high combustion temperatures lead to high NOx emissions.

[Tokay444]

I think the cp-e cat is just that bad.
When @Celestspeed3; was taking apart @Fobio;'s car to build it, the cp-e cat was pushed right into the secondary o2 sensor.

[Celestspeed3]

The are not bad they are acceptable.

They reduce the smell behind the car that's about it. A true 3-way metal core cat that will stand up to our abusive tuning and work properly is about $500. Now if CP-E told you the cat option was $500 you would tell them to fuck right off. So they supply one that will keep the cops off your tail and that's about it.

[Lex]

Originally Posted by Tokay444 I think the cp-e cat is just that bad. When @Celestspeed3; was taking apart @Fobio;'s car to build it, the cp-e cat was pushed right into the secondary o2 sensor.

It's a standard high flow aftermarket cat. Not too much more.

[boostdmazda3]

i read a few threads about cp-e cats going bad...never about cobbs.

[ABolewski]

http://www.mazdaspeedforum.org/forum/foru...ejoice-132495/

Wait till next month?
Although if you fail visual then you gotta stock out anyway I guess.

[www.cp-e.com]

If you are the original purchaser of the DP and the cat is in fact blown out we will be more than happy to warranty it. PM sent

[Tokay444]

It shouldn't matter is they are the original owner if you stand behind your product.

[Ferdball]

I am the original owner, but I bought from dabears2k.com (Matt Kreigsfeld). I don't remember if he gave me an invoice or not. He gave me a discount for a cash deal.

Would it help if I could find a new picture of it before it was installed?

Originally Posted by ABolewski http://www.mazdaspeedforum.org/forum/foru...ejoice-132495/ Wait till next month? Although if you fail visual then you gotta stock out anyway I guess.

Yeah, I saw that. But my registration is due in January. But if I'm that bad with the emissions, then I want it fixed anyway. I wonder how long I can last at it being stock?

[Monotonous ONE]

dabears2k






LOL GOOD LUCK ON THAT WARRANTY BROH

[Ferdball]

Ha ha, I know. Last I heard, he bought himself a bimmer and is selling stuff to them.

But the warranty is usually honored by the manufacturer. I may not have the invoice, but I have pics of it new and being installed in my car.

[Monotonous ONE]

old cp-e: you're FUCKED

new cp-e: maybe...good luck either way

[www.cp-e.com]

I have sent you several PMs we want to help you, but we cant help you if you don;t answer

[Ferdball]

I asked you a question on Saturday. Would a picture of it new be of any value?

If you need proof that I got this new, I wonder if this would suffice?

[jtt]

Originally Posted by Ferdball I am the original owner, but I bought from dabears2k.com (Matt Kreigsfeld). I don't remember if he gave me an invoice or not. He gave me a discount for a cash deal. Would it help if I could find a new picture of it before it was installed? Yeah, I saw that. But my registration is due in January. But if I'm that bad with the emissions, then I want it fixed anyway. I wonder how long I can last at it being stock?

On Cali I think you can still pay your registration before doing smog. They won't give you the license plate sticker but a paper with a month on it (about 3mos out). Then when you do your smog the DMV will mail you the sticker.

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[Ferdball]

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[Mase]

Originally Posted by Ferdball I tried to get smogged today. If you're in CA, then you'd better take off your downpipe before even trying. Yes, they'll notice. Besides that, I didn't pass the emissions part of the test. It looks like my cat went bad. I've had this on for about 4 years now. Is this normal?

Cat? What cat?

[Ferdball]

Originally Posted by www.cp-e.com ...we want to help you ...we can help you...

Help me. Please.

[agentgordon27]

You can ask for CP-E's help all day long, a brand new high flow cat will not pass CA emissions. They are the most stringent of all 50 states, that's why 99% of aftermarket parts are 49 state legal.

The only thing a high flow cat does is heat up to burn off un-burnt fuel, not as much science as those fancy spensive OEM cats.

[Ferdball]

So, you're saying this is normal? Here is a pre-test that I had to get done, about a year and a half after it was installed.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/...nZ0U1E4WW1ETmc

[Lex]

The high flow cats do catalyze Co into co2 but they lose efficiency over time and contain a lot less catalyst than an oem cat so they will not pass emissions after a few years and need to be replaced.

The oems build the calibration of the vehicle around maintaining cat life and this is one of the reasons the disi falls on its face after 5500rpm on the stock tune.

[agentgordon27]

Originally Posted by Lex The high flow cats do catalyze Co into co2 but they lose efficiency over time and contain a lot less catalyst than an oem cat so they will not pass emissions after a few years and need to be replaced. The oems build the calibration of the vehicle around maintaining cat life and this is one of the reasons the disi falls on its face after 5500rpm on the stock tune.

I guess I just remember seeing a metal high flow with huge spaces that was put on some MUSCLE car that basically poor fuel out the headers. I just look at a magnaflow high flow I have and it is covered in some yellowish stuff on the fins

*EDIT*
If CP-E decides to help you out, you'll have to send it in, then you might end up being in the same boat in another year or two. If it isn't affecting performance, I'd switch it out and put the stock one back on.

I know when I was rolling in a Honda(I know ), the shop I went to in CO was thinking about making an emissions kit that had the stock manifold and cat for rent and install, maybe you could buy an ebay cheapo setup and weld in the stock cats. Just because I hear the shape of the stock DP is a PITA (I have have yet to install one) to take off and welding in both stock cats where it would be easier to remove might make doing it every year easier.

And thanks for not mentioning you already had a test done, fucking operator. That's like taking something in to get troubleshot and you don't give all the info.

[www.cp-e.com]

Originally Posted by Ferdball Help me. Please.

PLEASE reply to our PM's or email me: team@cp-e.com

[Tommy]

@Ferdball; PM them or email them. I can personally vouch for them backing up their warranty and will quickly replace the cat and return the DP. Mine got screwed due to a loose 2nd o2 and even though they knew it was installer error, they still replaced it.

[Ferdball]

Man, these OEM cats are super clean!

[Celestspeed3]

You sure they even ran the car, LOL

That's a big improvement.

[Ferdball]

Okay, I went by the shop and asked them about it. They said that the numbers are correct. I thought that maybe if a car was passing, that they would just fill the fields with zeroes because it didn't matter. But they said that the numbers are provided by the machine, and there's nothing they can do to change it. So this myth is BUSTED. The smog check numbers are VERIFIED.

P.S.: I'm going to clean my tailpipe and see how long that lasts.

P.S.S.: I still haven't heard from CP-e. I wonder if they're still on vaca.

[Monotonous ONE]

i know its a pain in the cunt but it sounds like you should just swap it for inspection time.

and go catless instead

[Yatta]

PZEV....

[Ferdball]

Originally Posted by www.cp-e.com PLEASE reply to our PM's or email me: team@cp-e.com

Okay, I've been sending emails and got a reply from Storm. But I haven't heard back from anybody since 12/24. This is the last email I got.

I'm pretty sure I can vet this pushed through since that guy screwed over a lot of people. Just wanted to speak with you outside of the forums though. They're not in till January 2nd though. Your issue will be the first I bring up when they get in Thanks, Storm

I sent a request for update (via the same email thread) on 1/4 and today. What's the next step?

[BoominChu]

Please give me a call, 301-576-6142 or email me direct Support@cp-e.com as soon as possible. My name is Chunie, this is the first i am seeing of this. Thank you, and in the future you guys can always contact me @ that number and email. This my personal account so no PM I am here til 4pm today. Thank you i will take care of this once i hear from you.

[Ferdball]

$ 85 - Replace Cat
$150- Cat Spun Stainless Steel, 200 Cell MET Core High Load USA
$ 50 - S&H
=========
$285 - 100% Covered under warranty

Can't complain about CP-e. Thanks Chunie

[BoominChu]

Originally Posted by Ferdball $ 85 - Replace Cat $150- Cat Spun Stainless Steel, 200 Cell MET Core High Load USA $ 50 - S&H ========= $285 - 100% Covered under warranty Can't complain about CP-e. Thanks Chunie

No problem, you have my number as well as my email, you have any problems feel free to use them both. Thank you for understanding.