long awaited turbo manifold is out!!!

[breakfasteatre]

paul, you have way too much disposable income

[qtrmile beast]

has anyone purchased one yet or will i be the first......?

[TRSpeed]

Originally Posted by qtrmile beast has anyone purchased one yet or will i be the first......?

Idk but I am going BT very soon so I will def be getting this beauty ASAP. Maybe a month

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[ZPrice]

Originally Posted by vrspeed10 but not cheaper than the race built..!

An extra 100 clams for something without multiple manual welds, I would pay the 100 since the intro number is over. 200 less than something that I have not see any specs on.

Originally Posted by SilverDemon Just wait to see what's out next...hehehehe

What CPE has a IM option coming out so we don't have to keep waiting on JM, hell I'm #84 I think the second coming will happen before I get one.

Originally Posted by breakfasteatre paul, you have way too much disposable income

You can never have too much income

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[Celestspeed3]

Originally Posted by qtrmile beast has anyone purchased one yet or will i be the first......?

Depends on when you get yours I might be the first. I'll be getting the Tial version.

Anyone know what size wastegate the manifold is flanged?

[davinspeed3]

Originally Posted by qtrmile beast has anyone purchased one yet or will i be the first......?

Tried o order one yesterday but couldn't get ahold of anyone to order. Will try again tomorrow.

[BReif61]

Zero chance of cracking? Eh... I've seen cast manifolds crack before. It is definitely a nice looking piece, but $700 is a bit of a shock to this guy. To compare apples to oranges (since we all love to), the aftermarket cast manifold from Forced Performance for my DSM was <$300.

[I<3Groceries]

Fast forward a few years ago when Medieval was about your only option. Then you get fucked out of $1K by the faggot crooks, like I did.

Good to see so many options on the table these days, and by reputable vendors.

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[qtrmile beast]

Originally Posted by davinspeed3 Tried o order one yesterday but couldn't get ahold of anyone to order. Will try again tomorrow.

I am blocking your phone and credit card til i get paid!!!!!

Originally Posted by Celestspeed3 Depends on when you get yours I might be the first. I'll be getting the Tial version. Anyone know what size wastegate the manifold is flanged?

i belive it will be your option as well but you must have read my mind about the tial...

[www.cp-e.com]

Originally Posted by Celestspeed3 Depends on when you get yours I might be the first. I'll be getting the Tial version. Anyone know what size wastegate the manifold is flanged?

Good question. We'll update the site with this information as soon as we're able.

The turbine outlet is ~54.8mm
The wastegate outlet is 44mm

Any other technical questions can be forwarded to smarques@cp-e.com

Glad you guys like it so far, we're pretty happy with how they came out.

[Raider]

Holy shit, they posted!

Dude, spend 5 minutes a day here, trust me.

[davinspeed3]

Placed order for mine today with Jp.

Originally Posted by qtrmile beast I am blocking your phone and credit card til i get paid!!!!

Didn't work.

[doubleflusher]

Originally Posted by davinspeed3 Placed order for mine today with Jp.

which flange?

[Celestspeed3]

I sent a message to JP to get me one of these as well as the Tial MVR wastegate.

I was also taking a look at the setup and you can plumb the wastegate with coolant from the throttlebody. All you need is some silcone hose. This is how I'm going to plumb it on my car anyway.

[davinspeed3]

Originally Posted by doubleflusher which flange?

stock turbo flange with tial wastegate flange w/ blockoff plate. will use with stock turbo till i can get my atp gtx3071 kit from jp later in the year.

[Boosted Beluga]

No unequal length manifold?

[mason]

manifold looks AWESOME and good price! SWEET

[dougefresh_]

Originally Posted by Tomas Nice piece. But why can't anyone make a true twin scroll complete bolt on kit with mani and dp?

They do. They're names are Dustin & Leen, but you may need a speed6

[whoosh@Realtune]

holy shit.....bad ass manifold

nice work

[Lex]

How will that blocked off EWG tube impede flow if using an IWG turbo?

[Celestspeed3]

I'm not fluid expert but I don't think it will impede flow at all. Once the cavity is pressurized with exhaust the pressure barrier should act as a wall and the rest of the flowing exhaust should move past it. Either that or the exhaust will move past the opening so fast that it will create a small vacuum inside the wastegate part but I doubt it.

Getting this manifold in stock flange and using IWG seems like a waste to me. With the tial flange option you can use any turbine housing you want, not to mention they are lighter than the ATP ones. So you have to get EWG big deal just upgrade the turbo, mani and DP at the same time.

[EdgeAutosport.com]

Let us know guys we do carry cpe products


CP-E MZR DISI 2.3 =LRTmani Turbo Exhaust Manifold Mazdaspeed 3 6 MS3 MS6

[www.cp-e.com]

It's quite unlikely that it will cause any significant obstruction to the flow when using an IWG turbo. We set out to design an EWG manifold first and foremost. Castings are pretty expensive, so we thought it a good compromise to have an exhaust manifold that was designed to use an EWG, but have the option to use IWG if the user desired. Hence, the block off plate option.

Having two different castings for IWG and EWG would be pretty outrageous from a cost perspective.

[8.5MS3]

i was planning on getting edge's external gt30 kit with the ewg in the turbine housing

hopefully someone does a flow test on the mani to see if it does impede exhaust flow at all when capped

:cough: @eric@edgeautosport :cough:

[qtrmile beast]

so can you guys make this with the 38mm ewg option or are we stuck with the 44mm gate...

[mason]

your prolly stuck with the casting, but i think its a sweet deal! manny looks real good!

im thinking the casting is set in stone, but its pretty perfect from what i can see.

[qtrmile beast]

Originally Posted by mason your prolly stuck with the casting, but i think its a sweet deal! manny looks real good! im thinking the casting is set in stone, but its pretty perfect from what i can see.

well i am going to have to wait on mine then til i can get a 44mm gate....Was going to order friday

[djuosnteisn]

Very very very good looking manifold.

I'd love to see it installed on a car. Also, on stock location manifolds, once turbos start to get bigger than ~3076ish compressor size, clearance between the block and turbo becomes an issue.

Will this be an issue with any of the flange options?

[www.cp-e.com]

We've had that manifold on a 2010 Speed 3 with a 3582R (TiAL housing) for about a year now. The clearance between the block and the turbo is fine. I'll try to see if we can find a picture somewhere of it, or if not, I'll take a picture of another gen 1 we have here tomorrow.

Truthfully, we haven't done much with other non TiAL housing turbos in the larger (30 and 35R variety). I can assure you though, that the TiAL housings fit with out block clearance problems.

[djuosnteisn]

Very good to hear.

Do you have an ETA on the IM now that dreams are coming true?

[www.cp-e.com]

We don't have an ETA on the IM, some of the CFD that came back on that part wasn't as good as it could have been. As a result, we're making some more changes. We're contemplating getting a working model made out of a substitute material (Plastic or something of the sort) and giving it a go on the dyno. CFD is no substitute for the real thing (ha).

[PapaSmurf]

need more 38mm gate action!

I was almost debating to switch my setup to this manifold with the tial hotside, but I dont feel like switching to a 44mm gate.

[MS3inDC]

Originally Posted by Tomas Nice piece. But why can't anyone make a true twin scroll complete bolt on kit with mani and dp? Not that fucking hard. A 1.06 AR twin scroll GTX3076 would be a killer set up.

Full-race tried... not enough space without cutting the fire wall and rerouting piping.

[SilverDemon]

I saw this set up in person installed on the their gen 2 shop car...yes, indeed this is very nice...

[mason]

Originally Posted by qtrmile beast well i am going to have to wait on mine then til i can get a 44mm gate....Was going to order friday

dont someone make some kind of adaptor to go from 38mm to 44mm v-band vice versa?

id say worth looking into?

Originally Posted by MS3inDC Full-race tried... not enough space without cutting the fire wall and rerouting piping.

NO! that was with the EFR turbo, not a GT turbo! you can fit just about any GT turbo back there no problem, any scroll you want

[PapaSmurf]

Originally Posted by MS3inDC Full-race tried... not enough space without cutting the fire wall and rerouting piping.

steedspeed was able to do it...

EFR turbos are so much longer then GT's. It can be done with a GT turbo.

[qtrmile beast]

Originally Posted by PapaSmurf need more 38mm gate action! I was almost debating to switch my setup to this manifold with the tial hotside, but I dont feel like switching to a 44mm gate.

ok here what can be done to fix the 44mm gate issue 44mm to 38mm mv-s


here is a job that i did that i had to do an adapter for and trust me this was DIFFICULT to say the least especially when it came down to the dump tube.

Depending on how far the 5th runner sticks out makes it that much more difficult.
There 44 mm gate was to large and was hitting the A/C line.

Had to measure the angle in which i had to make the wastegate come off from.


This gave me more room place the wastegate but this made it much more difficult for the dump since it the gate was over top of the starter. Also had to make it far enough away from the A/C

final placement

[superskaterxes]

that EWG runner isent going to affect flow at all just like celestespeed3 said. once that pressure builds up in the leg, it will act as a wall for the rest of the runners.

and you should be able to weld 2 38/44mm vband flanges together to make an adapter.

im also super curious to see how this fits with ATP 35R. most people dont go this route so u would most likely go to a Tial housing anyway after this size.

[Celestspeed3]

I don't think the GT35 will have any fitment issues because of the Tial housing.

In this thread there is my Tial GTX3036, next to an ATP GTX3076.

Fast_dude's goes big turbslow thread

Although not the best photo, the Tial housing moves the whole turbo assembly about 3/4" from the block if not more than that. The edge of my Tial flange closest to the turbine wheel is tangential to the wheel, while the ATP housing is not, and I think that's the cause of the problems.

[MS3inDC]

Originally Posted by mason NO! that was with the EFR turbo, not a GT turbo! you can fit just about any GT turbo back there no problem, any scroll you want

No.. ?

Originally Posted by Full-Race Geoff to all you garrett fans - we WILL have garrett mazdaspeed turbo kits available. We have sold garrett turbos for many years and will continue to do so. The EFR turbos have a very long wait time associated with them and are definitely not for everyone, so we make sure to have options for the garrett crowd also. The fact of the matter is that this is a TIGHT engine bay and exceptionally difficult to fit large turbos without cutting or permanently modifying the chassis/firewall and climate controls. we have seen the EFR 7163 exhibit spool of the GT2871R, and approach 7670 power levels. There is no other turbo like it, anywhere in the world. Comparing it to traditional garretts is purely mental masturbation. Once i am given permission i will share some dyno results anyone who is not a believer should spend a few minutes educating themselves on the difference from a traditional turbine wheel to a "mixed flow" turbine wheel. This is the first time mixed flow turbine geometry has been applied to a performance turbocharger, and with the results we've been seeing - this is the way of the future. The 6258 will spool faster, but the 7163 will make a lot more power. These 2 cars we are building will be the proof by which you are welcome to judge us The Big EFR b2 turbos are simply not going to fit. Unless you want to cut up your firewall, remove the heater core and re-do the hard line plumbing on your block - thats not what this is about. We developed a top-shelf bolt on kit that anyone can install in 2 days and be making a LOT of power with. and will support it with AP, and oversized maf. This kit is not meant for 700+whp race gas firebreathing drag-race cars. regardless the 7163 is going to be publically released much later in 2012, the other EFRs will come into circulation first - they are all very impressive units in their own right. You will notice there is zero information on the 7163 anywhere online, whether its full-race.com or BW's site, it doesnt exist in the "real world" yet - this is next generation stuff. The B1 turbos: 6258, 6758 and 7163 are T25 singlescroll ONLY at this time. They may develop twinscroll variants in the future, but this is straight up state-of-the-art turbocharging technology applied to the mazdaspeed platform. Ive been doing this my entire life, we worked in conjunction with BW on the development and FORD was kind enough to perform a complete CFD analysis on the setups. this is not some slapped together deal in order to fit the B2 twinscrolls it requires extensive hacking and welding to make this fit, as well as heavy modifications to the alternator. This has been my profession for 14 years, there is no way in hell the B2 EFR will fit in mazdaspeed engine bay, neither the T3 singlescroll B2 nor the T4 twinscroll B2. they wont fit with out serious cutting. the EFR 7163 will bend the GTX30 over and rape it sideways. no contest.

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