Sneak peek - 3" reinforced silicone turbo inlet!

[www.cp-e.com]

We recently had our CAD model rapid prototyped for us so we could check the fittment.








Why our inlet is unique:

First, it's silicone! That's important because the silicone will resist heat transfer to the pre-turbocharger air.

It's a true 3" diameter (7.065" cross-sectional area)!

It will feature metal reinforcement to protect from collapsing under vacuum.

Will retain the factory mounting points and vacuum provisions.

We'll have versions for both stock turbos and GT-series 4" flange turbos. So there's no adapter coupler necessary; the silicone inlet attaches directly to the cold air intake and the turbo inlet

We're waiting for our silicone version to arrive, and once it does I'll post up some pictures, pricing, and availability info!

[Laloosh]

the gt35 is a 3 inch.....boooo
I want this cause the atp pipe is shit

[ChrisK]

sweet!

[LBV]

Why 3"? Any testing done over 2.XX to see which performs better?

[bova]

looks good! price?

[red07]

Will this fit the AEM/Mazdaspeed CAI?

[Unoriginalusername]

looks sweet

[gsrtype1]

nice peice!

[Speedie6]

Originally Posted by Laloosh the gt35 is a 3 inch.....boooo I want this cause the atp pipe is shit

This is definitely true. But, has anybody else noticed that ATP now lists a NEW part for the MS3? What is weird is, they still list the old part for the MS6, but the MS3 and MS6 have the same damn inlet part. So, I don't understand that. Their new part, though, I think is still inferior to what CPE is going to do, it at least looks better than their old part.

[ATE BALLER]

Looks great! Glad you're doing a bigger turbo option!

[aaronc7]

estimated price?

[superskaterxes]

so this fits in the stock location with the stock battery?

[xcoldricex]

there's no barb for that boost control thing

[bova]

thats from a proto type machine, that will probably have to be done after the mold is made since i'm guessing the barb will be metal and not silicone.

[phillyb]

i'm curious to know more about this...

[www.cp-e.com]

Originally Posted by Laloosh the gt35 is a 3 inch.....boooo I want this cause the atp pipe is shit

Bah! We're not going to leave you hanging

Originally Posted by LBV Why 3"? Any testing done over 2.XX to see which performs better?

That's a good question.

My skin crawls when I see people blindly adhearing to the "bigger is better" philosophy because 99.9% of the time, bigger is /not/ better. However, turbo inlets are one of those expections to the rule because on a turbo, no inlet at all is best.

Your turbo will perform best with the least amount of vacuum as measured at the impeller (stolen from another website):

Performance of an impeller in a particular housing is quantified using a "compressor flow map", an example of which is shown below. On the compressor flow map, the horizontal axis represents the amount of uncompressed air entering one turbo, either as volume flow or as mass flow. The vertical axis represents the amount of air compression that occurs inside the compressor; it is the ratio of the air pressure at the discharge opening (P2C) to the air pressure at the inlet (P1C). The curved lines with labels at one end such as 106,000 are the rotational speed (in rpm) of the compressor wheel.

Stealth 316 - Turbocharger Compressor Flow Maps

All I'm trying to show here is that any restriction at the inlet is going to increase the pressure ratio, which almost invariably reduces turbo performance. So, it is in our best interest to create the lowest restriction pipe as possible. As such, there's no comparison testing necessary because we know a 3" pipe will outflow a 2.5" pipe. Also realize that this pipe is not only designed for the stock turbo, but also big turbos like the GT3076. So a < 3" pipe may be easier to package, but it wouldn't offer the lowest restriction.

Originally Posted by bova80 looks good! price?

No price just yet

Originally Posted by superskaterxes so this fits in the stock location with the stock battery?

Yes sir!

[superskaterxes]

will it be squished at all?

the only reason i ask is because i have a 2.5" homebrew TIP and that thing BARELY fits in there with the stock battery.

ALSO,

can we get a finite answer on whether the 3 and 6 have the same TIP? and if they dont will this fit the 6 as well? im tired of being left in the dust (literally no pun intended lol 6>>3) with all these MS3 parts coming out but no love for the 6.

[shadesofgray19]

Well until someone releases a functional 3" maf housing, the maf housing will be the limiting factor on the flow. You could have a 10" (over exaggeration) inlet, but with a smaller maf that is located 18" to 36" away from the turbo, this is limiting the flow. Correct me if I am wrong?

[Laloosh]

Originally Posted by www.cp-e.com Bah! We're not going to leave you hanging That's a good question. My skin crawls when I see people blindly adhearing to the "bigger is better" philosophy because 99.9% of the time, bigger is /not/ better. However, turbo inlets are one of those expections to the rule because on a turbo, no inlet at all is best. Your turbo will perform best with the least amount of vacuum as measured at the impeller (stolen from another website): Stealth 316 - Turbocharger Compressor Flow Maps All I'm trying to show here is that any restriction at the inlet is going to increase the pressure ratio, which almost invariably reduces turbo performance. So, it is in our best interest to create the lowest restriction pipe as possible. As such, there's no comparison testing necessary because we know a 3" pipe will outflow a 2.5" pipe. Also realize that this pipe is not only designed for the stock turbo, but also big turbos like the GT3076. So a < 3" pipe may be easier to package, but it wouldn't offer the lowest restriction. No price just yet Yes sir!

jordan i like u and all, but try that in person and...
lol

[skeeter149]

hmmm doesnt look like the sri will work with out a pipe between the two. but damn that is a pretty piece.

[www.cp-e.com]

Originally Posted by superskaterxes will it be squished at all? the only reason i ask is because i have a 2.5" homebrew TIP and that thing BARELY fits in there with the stock battery. ALSO, can we get a finite answer on whether the 3 and 6 have the same TIP? and if they dont will this fit the 6 as well? im tired of being left in the dust (literally no pun intended lol 6>>3) with all these MS3 parts coming out but no love for the 6.

The inlet won't be squished per se. Part of the beauty of silicone is that we can create complex shapes. As far as I'm aware the inlet will fit both vehicles, but I'll see if I can get you a definite answer this weekend.

Originally Posted by shadesofgray19 Well until someone releases a functional 3" maf housing, the maf housing will be the limiting factor on the flow. You could have a 10" (over exaggeration) inlet, but with a smaller maf that is located 18" to 36" away from the turbo, this is limiting the flow. Correct me if I am wrong?

100% correct, but I think we may be releasing a 3.25" MAF in the next few weeks.

Originally Posted by Laloosh jordan i like u and all, but try that in person and... lol

[shadesofgray19]

You guys have it all figured out, as always.

[arkenzo]

CPE FTMFWOMFG!

[06Speed6]

Nice, I would love to see a 4" version.

[Renzokuken]

LOL this is funny to me.. Its nice to see that SOMEBODY decided to listen to the people and jump on this. Kudos.

[hashboogie]

Very nice looking piece!

[CraigHJr]

Will the silicone have the metal bands at the intake end to slip our intake over this? Seems like the current pancake tubes intake diameter of 2 3/8" will be the new restriction once the bigger MAF's are avalible. Speaking of larger MAFs how will the car be tuned for that? Scalar in the Standback MAF tab (if v2/v3 even have that still)?

[SgtP]

it felt better in my hands last week! They are going to sell great and look great with the new nano.

[ATE BALLER]

Originally Posted by CraigHJr Will the silicone have the metal bands at the intake end to slip our intake over this? Seems like the current pancake tubes intake diameter of 2 3/8" will be the new restriction once the bigger MAF's are avalible. Speaking of larger MAFs how will the car be tuned for that? Scalar in the Standback MAF tab (if v2/v3 even have that still)?

I think the silicone coupler is tossed out with this inlet. The inlet with slide directly onto the intake pipe and be clamped down like the coupler was.

[CraigHJr]

But different intakes are different sizes and orentations so how could it work with all of them?

[ATE BALLER]

They'll likely make it work for theirs. And I think the only one that doesn't connect the same as theirs is the crappy MS one. And why would you want a bigger inlet than intake anyway?

[www.cp-e.com]

Originally Posted by ATE BALLER They'll likely make it work for theirs. And I think the only one that doesn't connect the same as theirs is the crappy MS one. And why would you want a bigger inlet than intake anyway?

I'm not involved in this particular project, but I'm told the inlet is being designed to work with all of the major cold air intakes: Fujita, Injen, and Mazdaspeed/AEM. Of course it'll work with our Xcel and Nano as well.

Does anyone know the outside diameter of the Cobb short ram? If someone knows I can let you know if our inlet will work with that intake as well.

[Laloosh]

its gonna be hard with the cobb, cause its just a bent coupling with a hole in it....i dont know how youre going to fit rubber over rubber and try to clamp it....

[LBV]

Any of these joiners would work: Turbo Piping

[CraigHJr]

My COBB is strecthed over 2.5" od aluminum, but I'm not 100% how it will attach to the inlet pipe if its made of silicone.

[Speedie6]

As having been selling an inlet pipe myself, , I do know all the dimensions. I'm sure nobody will be buying mine after a major company releases one. But, be that as it may, I do know the dimensions.

The stock inlet pipe has a 60 mm hose connection. That is almost exactly the same as 2 3/8". I don't know of anybody making a 60 mm coupler, though maybe somebody does. If a 60 mm coupler can't be found, a 2.5" coupler could probably be used as you can generally get 60 mm hose to stretch over 2.5". But it will be kinda tight.

The recirc is 29 mm, which is basically 1 1/8".

[boosted3]

I would purchase this item.Just scarred of the price lol.But i knwo its top quality

[DeadWayt]

It's becoming clear to me that I'm going to need a second job just to keep up with all this shit.

[hashboogie]

Originally Posted by CraigHJr My COBB is strecthed over 2.5" od aluminum, but I'm not 100% how it will attach to the inlet pipe if its made of silicone.

Isn't the one that Cobb is developing made out of silicon as well?

[4thStroke]

hash, yes it will be reinforced silicone as well.