Will these fit in a pinch?

[KSUWildcatFan]

Stock rims for a 2006 MS6 are 18x8 +46mm offset, right? I'm currently running 235/40-18 Continentals with no issues. Sadly, my tires are all but shot.

Ive got a set of 18x9 rims with +30mm offset and nearly new 265/35-18 Nitto 555s on them all but rotting away in my garage. I've looked all over and come up with three basic thoughts I think I'm reading: 265 is too wide for the MS6, 18x9 will cause issues as well, and 265 is too wide for the stock rims.

What I want to know is, IN A PINCH, would this set (18x9 rims w/ 265s) possibly work, at all? I'm not road racing or anything along those lines. I want to know if these tires could safely be used on this car and not poke out so much that they look ridiculous. Also it would be great to use the tires before they rot.

[Djohns]

I would say no, but fitment is different with my ms3. Are those your boobs?

[stockms3]

Originally Posted by Djohns I would say no, but fitment is different with my ms3. Are those your boobs?

My man. Asking the important questions.

Too bad the answer was no.

[KSUWildcatFan]

Yeah, just running the basic numbers it seems like these are going to be 2" wider than what I've got now. Even if it didn't rub, I have to imagine it would look absolutely terrible.

No, not my boobs. I just like purple. And boobs.

[Quigs]

It will indeed look quite terrible. Will it work in a pinch? Maybe. Depends on how much of a pinch you are in. If it's something you need to roll on for a few days solely while waiting for new tires for your regular wheels I say give it a shot. Worst you'll probably do is rub over bumps for a few days.

[KSUWildcatFan]

Serves me right for buying 265s I guess. Oh well; it was worth a shot. Off I go to buy new tires I suppose.

[shamie]

put them on and try them out. worst case your out 30 minutes trying it out.

[KSUWildcatFan]

I was going to do that, figuring it really wasn't that big of a deal (I've got to remove them from my Mustang to swap, so it does add some time to the swap) but it sounds like there's almost 0% chance that they'll both fit (and not rub) AND not look completely ridiculous.

[Quigs]

There is a someone that runs 265s on his Speed6, but obviously it's a setup optimized to try to fit, not just some takeoffs.

Like I said, if it's just a couple day solution I'd say it's worth a shot. Any more than that and I'd just expedite getting tires for your normal wheels.

[mxlplx71]

That would probably poke too much.

[djern]

stock ms6 wheels are 18x7 +55 offset, those tires would not fit..TBH, 235's are too wide for stock ms6 wheels (pu wheels yes)..225 40 is the max i would run on them.

go here it will answer any question u will have about wheels..tires offset...etc --> The Ultimate "Will They Fit" Thread - Everything you need to know about wheels, spacers and tires for your MS

[KSUWildcatFan]

Yeah, this was a prayer at getting some use out of tires that are otherwise just going to rot away and since my ms6 tires are circling the drain.

Not sure why everyone says 235s are too wide though. I haven't had a single issue (in terms of drivability, etc) with the ones on my car. Maybe it's because it's stock?

[Quigs]

Originally Posted by KSUWildcatFan Yeah, this was a prayer at getting some use out of tires that are otherwise just going to rot away and since my ms6 tires are circling the drain. Not sure why everyone says 235s are too wide though. I haven't had a single issue (in terms of drivability, etc) with the ones on my car. Maybe it's because it's stock?

People are saying they are too wide because that wide of a tire on the stock 7" wheel creates diminishing performance. The sidewalls become too "bubbly" if you will and it creates too much flex in the sidewalls where under extreme cornering the sidewalls will rollover and you will no longer be using the treadblocks for traction.

They still "fit" as in you can physically fit the tire on the wheel, which you know since you are using them. But in terms of performance, you are beginning to decrease the cornering ability of the car. That's what people are referring to when they say they don't fit or are not properly sized tires for the wheel.

If you only use the car for commuting and don't do any aggressive driving with it you'd probably never even notice the difference between those and more appropriately sized tires. To some people who track their cars competitively, that extra sidewall flex could mean a difference in time around the track. It's all relative to how you personally use your car.

[KSUWildcatFan]

Originally Posted by Quigs People are saying they are too wide because that wide of a tire on the stock 7" wheel creates diminishing performance. The sidewalls become too "bubbly" if you will and it creates too much flex in the sidewalls where under extreme cornering the sidewalls will rollover and you will no longer be using the treadblocks for traction. They still "fit" as in you can physically fit the tire on the wheel, which you know since you are using them. But in terms of performance, you are beginning to decrease the cornering ability of the car. That's what people are referring to when they say they don't fit or are not properly sized tires for the wheel. If you only use the car for commuting and don't do any aggressive driving with it you'd probably never even notice the difference between those and more appropriately sized tires. To some people who track their cars competitively, that extra sidewall flex could mean a difference in time around the track. It's all relative to how you personally use your car.

That makes sense. I don't see myself doing any of that tbh. My Ms6 is my daily and always will be.

As for tires, it came with these 235s when I bought it so I just assumed that was normal. It seems like a pretty skinny tire as it is so I didn't figure it was pressing the envelope. I think stock tires for my 94 mustang were 195s or something and I went with the 265s because I loved the stance and the extra grip. Different cars though, I get it.

[Quigs]

Originally Posted by KSUWildcatFan That makes sense. I don't see myself doing any of that tbh. My Ms6 is my daily and always will be. As for tires, it came with these 235s when I bought it so I just assumed that was normal. It seems like a pretty skinny tire as it is so I didn't figure it was pressing the envelope. I think stock tires for my 94 mustang were 195s or something and I went with the 265s because I loved the stance and the extra grip. Different cars though, I get it.

Stock size on the MS6 should be 215/45/18. You could move up to 225/40/18 with no problems. But if the 235s fit, you can keep running those too if you want. One of the other sizes might be a bit cheaper possibly.

You can certainly get extra grip out of the MS6 with 235s, just not on the stock wheels. Like with you Mustang you'd just need some wider wheels that fit these cars and you'd be good to go!

[sheston]

Most people are probably responding on what tire size will autocross and corner the best. I've run several different brands of 245's on my stock GenPu rims and didn't have any rubbing issues until I put 20 mm spacers all the way around. Rolled the fenders and really don't have much of an issue.

I'm more trying to get improved straight line performance so I go wider than recommended. I'm thinking of running 265/35s on my stock rims (that should get some negative responses)

[KSUWildcatFan]

Yeah... I drive about 15 miles a day. Work and home. lol. I'm not too terribly worried about max performance.

[anavrinIV]

For performance tires I run 235s on 17x9s. Just for a point of reference.

Unfortunately the MS3 needs more negative front camber than it can naturally get so I end up killing the outer edges of the tires anyway. Softer sidewalls mean I roll the tire over substantially (was about 1" of road marks down the sidewall of my conti dw's). Camber plates would be great but I'm not drilling out my strut tower just yet, and there's only so much they can do without coilovers anyway.

The MS6 can do more with the front suspension but doesn't fit 265s in the rear unless you hack the fenders.

[KSUWildcatFan]

I considered doing a minor drop at some point. Might be best if I do that, see if 235s rub, and reassess prior to buying my new set. That way I don't have brand new 235s that require a bunch of modifying to make fit.

[Omega]

Originally Posted by KSUWildcatFan I considered doing a minor drop at some point. Might be best if I do that, see if 235s rub, and reassess prior to buying my new set. That way I don't have brand new 235s that require a bunch of modifying to make fit.

If you haven't rolled your rear fenders you WILL rub. I was on 18x8 +47 with 235/40/18's on stock height and still rubbed on large bumps in the road... Lowered it was bad (only lowered ~.75-1"). You will need to roll the rear fenders, with a minor pull you can probably fit something decent in there.

I've test fit a set of TSW nurburgrings (however the fuck you spell it) in 18x8.5. I was only 1mm too far outward (I think it was +45) and would've rubbed but it was VERY close only rubbed under a fully loaded suspension. I had tons of room between the coils (this was test fit with 235's and Nitto NT05's) though so a higher offset would've been fine or a fender pull.

To answer your second question that's impossible to know without knowing what tires were on it before. You could put tires that last for a long time or only 5k miles, it depends on YOUR driving habit and the tires installed. Typically the tires will be stickier since the car has more than your typical 4cyl power level thus will not last as long. I've had Yokohoma S Drives that have lasted for ~25k and for a summer tire that's not bad. MY PO put some really shitty econo tires on there before and managed ~45k on them. For the stickier tires that go on these cars... no that's not necessarily atypical for the somewhat spirited driver. More importantly you see no weird wear issues. Seeing as how you had DWS this last change (one of the much stickier all seasons) no that's probably not abnormal.

[KSUWildcatFan]

The shop I bought my Contis from gave me a big prorated discount since I only got 16k out of the DWS tires so I ordered a set of Goodyear Eagle F1 A/S 225/45-18s. Out the door, it was $366 and I *should* get a $70 rebate from Goodyear.

So, I won't do 235s again (duh)..hopefully 225s work better. My local shop only gave up Conti DWS 06's as an option in the 215/45-18 size (for Y-rated tires). Yuck.

I did notice that, according to my maintenance log my car has only gotten over 25,000 on a set of tires once (~52k that time). Every other experience has been 16,000-25,000. Is that normal for these cars, or is there something I should be checking? As far as I know, my tires are wearing evenly, just very quickly. I sure hope I get more than 25k out of the F1s :\

[KSUWildcatFan]

All I know is that I put 235/40-18 on it because the last tires the PO put on it were 235/40-18s. I'm running stock 7" rims (too narrow for 235s, I know) and I believe my suspension is all stock parts (the maintenance log referenced new shocks at one point due to a "bouncy" ride) but afaik I've never had any rubbing issues. We'll see what the 225s do I guess. I'm gunshy on buying conti DWS again.

[Omega]

I wasn't jabbing at you for putting them on stock wheels I was just telling you if you want to go to an 18x8 & lowered later you WILL RUB I had one of the highest 18x8 rims you can get and it still rubbed (installed by PO). With 8mm more clearance on the stock rim just from the offset alone to the fender and only 7" wide it doesn't surprise me that it didn't rub.

[KSUWildcatFan]

I'm too poor for rims. I'll probably run the stockers until the MS6 dies ��

Originally Posted by stockms3 My man. Asking the important questions. Too bad the answer was no.

Indeed an important question, I agree.