register gallery
 

Go Back   Mazdaspeed Forums >
MAZDASPEED SECTION
>
Mazdaspeed Forums Reviews/Articles
> Mazdaspeed Forums User Reviews
Garage Calendar Forum Rules Today's Posts Search

Mazdaspeed Forums User Reviews These are reviews done by our community members.


Welcome to Mazdaspeed Forums .

You are currently viewing our boards as a guest which gives you limited access to view most discussions and access our other features. By joining our free community you will have access to post topics, communicate privately with other members (PM), respond to polls, upload content and access many other special features. Registration is fast, simple and absolutely free so please, join our community today!

If you have any problems with the registration process or your account login, please contact contact us.

*When you join MSF as a registered user, there will be No Ads.

*Registered Members get access to the Off Topic Area of the Forum

*Registered Members have an opportunity to upgrade their accounts to VIP, which brings a host of goddies for supporting MSF such as Raffles, Additional Forum Access, More PM Storage, The ability to upload more Images and many other enhancements.

*Registered members also get access to the live chat box!
Reply
 
Bookmark and Share LinkBack Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
 Old 11-04-2008, 02:53 PM   #1
Jackal
 
Breakdown81's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Los Angeles Westside
Posts: 869   (View Stats)
iTrader: (0)
Rep Power: 3078
Breakdown81 is the leader of the worldBreakdown81 is the leader of the worldBreakdown81 is the leader of the worldBreakdown81 is the leader of the worldBreakdown81 is the leader of the worldBreakdown81 is the leader of the worldBreakdown81 is the leader of the worldBreakdown81 is the leader of the worldBreakdown81 is the leader of the worldBreakdown81 is the leader of the worldBreakdown81 is the leader of the world
Thanks: 1,754
Thanked 5,871 Times in 285 Posts
Groans: 56
Groaned at 14 Times in 13 Posts
(Thread Starter)
Neutral  +1 score     
Default BEGi Cold Air Box: Review

Welcome to my review of the



The BEGi Cold Air Box retails for $229.95, and can be purchased through online retailers. in the kit you will find all this



Excluding the tape measure, there will also be a manilla folder that contains the installation instructions and a nifty BEGi sticker for your car. I'd also like to point out that in the picture I have pre-assembled the lower box/MAF housing/filter assembly for compositional considerations. As shipped all parts are separate. On with the review.

Ordering and Shipping:
I ordered the product from Protege Garage with some other parts and the order was processed fairly quickly. The date the order was confirmed as being shipped was 8/29. I received half of my order by 9/10.
I sent a message to Ken at PG on 9/11, who informed me that his understanding from BEGi was that the product had shipped the same day as the rest of the order. Ken said he would look into the issue. By 9/15 I still had no package, so i sent another message to Ken. Ken got in touch with BEGi. BEGi assured Ken the product had shipped. I'll fast forward now because I think you all get the idea. Product arrival date: 9/24.

Ridonculous.

At any rate. Being terrifically excited that the piece had finally come i eagerly began to put it together. The piece is advertised as being powdercoated, however a small seed of doubt was sown when i observed this



Chips and Overspray!???? hmm. fishy.

I should have ceased all work and packed the thing up and sent it back at this point. But goddamnit I'd waited a month and i was going to install this fucker. Which leads me to the next thing that i really should have taken as a warning.



heres some closeups going from top left to bottom right.





WTF! None of the machining would line up properly for assembly, And the join of the lid to the bottom box wasn't the only place there was this problem. For example this thingy



As you can see there are three pieces held together here. The MAF housing, a U bracket and the bottom of the CAB. You have no idea how hard it was to get both screws to secure the U bracket to the MAF housing. To be honest the screw at the rear of the housing (Pic right) is probably cross-threaded since i had to fasten it at an angle.

All this brings us to the MAF housing itself.

Here's the back.



And the front.



Notice the shrinkage from front to back, that will come into play later.

So blazing ahead I was ready to attach the filter. Here it is.



MMM...looks cool all big and blue.



Hey AMSoil makes it! That company is decent, people use their products and they even have a nifty graph on the side of their box which shows how awesome the filter is. Sweet! but wait....




There's no velocity stack. Nor is there an airflow straightener anywhere to be seen. I really should have stopped, but i was stuck on stupid and bolted the thing up into my car. which brings us to yet another bit of frustration.



The screws that are pictured are what you use to secure the MAFS into the MAF housing. They are too big for the predrilled holes on the MAFS. Not a problem! say fuck it and carve up the plastic and make it work! It will all fit snugly and securely...I promise.

the only thing left to do is bolt the thing into the car now. so lets go back a minute remember this pic?



Notice the metal piece in the center as well as the two pegs. These pieces comprise the platform that the lower part of the box sits on and bolts into. they mount here



You remove the piece circled in red, slide the metal blade in behind it and then re-fasten it to the engine bay creating point one. Next you screw the two pegs on top of the studs circled in green, creating points two and three.
So you slap the box on these fasten it up and call it a day.

Except you can't figure out how to fasten off to point number one because when you place the box into its resting position you have blocked off all access to the underside, which you need to get at to be able to thread a nut and bolt. So you say fuck it and roll with just the pegs fastened.

Congratulations.

So I'm driving around purely delighted by the fun new sounds and power I've got from this super cool cold air box. When I start hearing from people that there is something wrong with the LTFTs that comes from using the CAB. So I take it to a buddy for some data logging. This is what we get.



My buddy promptly asks me what the fuck I have in there. So I show him and we pull it out and take it apart and notice some more detioration of the "powdercoat"




At this point my buddy makes the rather astute observation that the powdercoating looks like barbeque paint, and I'm an idiot for installing this thing in the first place. So we throw a properly designed intake on and do a second datalog to get this.



much better.

So in summation. STAY THE FUCK AWAY FROM THIS THING!

Poor design and manufacturing combined with utterly terrible customer service add up to one unescapable conclusion.

BEGi = FTL

thanks for reading.
Breakdown81 is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following 30 Users Say Thank You to Breakdown81 For This Useful Post:
08BLKMS3 (04-15-2009), 86AmishMs3 (04-21-2009), AG. (11-04-2008), BAT-man (02-14-2013), BlueDreams (03-03-2014), cookieheadjenkins (03-15-2010), Cool Whip (11-05-2008), Crossbow (04-05-2009), doubleflusher (04-15-2009), FantasmoNegro (01-12-2009), FCmaniac (01-02-2009), GFish (11-04-2008), HiggyMS3 (11-04-2008), HotHatchRacer20 (11-05-2008), itzl0l (11-04-2008), kingpin748 (04-11-2009), labikesrcool (11-08-2008), MrShark (01-22-2012), qwerty4550 (12-09-2008), simplymurderous (11-05-2008), SirDon (11-04-2008), skeeter149 (11-04-2008), skubidoobie (12-07-2008), speed3 (11-04-2008), sweetpickles (11-14-2008), SyntaxEscobar (11-06-2008), thanotosq (11-05-2008), TheRealDefman (11-15-2008), Tomas (02-23-2009), Zeya (01-12-2009)
 Old 11-04-2008, 07:20 PM   #2
 
skeeter149's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: lancaster, ca
Posts: 3,742   (View Stats)
iTrader: (3)
Rep Power: 0
skeeter149 is the leader of the worldskeeter149 is the leader of the worldskeeter149 is the leader of the worldskeeter149 is the leader of the worldskeeter149 is the leader of the worldskeeter149 is the leader of the worldskeeter149 is the leader of the worldskeeter149 is the leader of the worldskeeter149 is the leader of the worldskeeter149 is the leader of the worldskeeter149 is the leader of the world
Thanks: 4,297
Thanked 4,345 Times in 817 Posts
Groans: 91
Groaned at 24 Times in 19 Posts
Not Ranked  0 score     
Default

thanks for saving people bro. i will never look at that one now.
__________________
"Go find your own enterprise, and get the fuck off my bridge!"

2008 Speed 3 GT- Cobb SRI, Cobb TIP, AQ Motorsports DP (Turboxs Adapter Plate), TurboXS FMIC, GReddy CBE, GReddy BPV, 3P Flange, GReddy TT, GReddy Boost Gauge, Vent Pod, GReddy Shift Knob, SU Shifter Bushings, AWR RMM, Cobb RSB, Cobb AP, Cobb Shifter Weight, Autotech FP Internals, Corksport Exhaust Hangers. "parked hard"

1996 200sx SE-R- Injen CAI, GReddy SP CBE, Tein Basic Coilovers, Progress FSB, Clutch Masters Flywheel, Progress RSB, Cusco FSTB, Progress LCAB, Prothane MM, JWT POP Program, JWT S4 Cams, Mishimoto Radiator, GoodRidge SS Brake Lines, Powerslot Rotors, Nismo CF Shift Knob. "back in action"
skeeter149 is offline   Reply With Quote
 Old 11-04-2008, 07:34 PM   #3
 
speed3's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Posts: 504   (View Stats)
iTrader: (0)
Rep Power: 0
speed3 has a brilliant futurespeed3 has a brilliant futurespeed3 has a brilliant futurespeed3 has a brilliant futurespeed3 has a brilliant futurespeed3 has a brilliant futurespeed3 has a brilliant futurespeed3 has a brilliant futurespeed3 has a brilliant futurespeed3 has a brilliant futurespeed3 has a brilliant future
Thanks: 111
Thanked 49 Times in 40 Posts
Groans: 56
Groaned at 43 Times in 21 Posts
Not Ranked  0 score     
Default

Nice!
__________________
2008 BM..MSCAI..8K HID..MAGNAFLOW CB..<----- SOLD
Current car: 1991 Sport 600 Z32. 487whp on 91 Octane
speed3 is offline   Reply With Quote
 Old 11-04-2008, 07:35 PM   #4
 
speed3's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Posts: 504   (View Stats)
iTrader: (0)
Rep Power: 0
speed3 has a brilliant futurespeed3 has a brilliant futurespeed3 has a brilliant futurespeed3 has a brilliant futurespeed3 has a brilliant futurespeed3 has a brilliant futurespeed3 has a brilliant futurespeed3 has a brilliant futurespeed3 has a brilliant futurespeed3 has a brilliant futurespeed3 has a brilliant future
Thanks: 111
Thanked 49 Times in 40 Posts
Groans: 56
Groaned at 43 Times in 21 Posts
Not Ranked  0 score     
Default

such a nice piece. Does it come with the air straightener? Is it required?
__________________
2008 BM..MSCAI..8K HID..MAGNAFLOW CB..<----- SOLD
Current car: 1991 Sport 600 Z32. 487whp on 91 Octane
speed3 is offline   Reply With Quote
 Old 11-05-2008, 08:36 PM   #5
Doc
 
Doc's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Posts: 526   (View Stats)
iTrader: (0)
Rep Power: 0
Doc is the leader of the worldDoc is the leader of the worldDoc is the leader of the worldDoc is the leader of the worldDoc is the leader of the worldDoc is the leader of the worldDoc is the leader of the worldDoc is the leader of the worldDoc is the leader of the worldDoc is the leader of the worldDoc is the leader of the world
Thanks: 225
Thanked 413 Times in 79 Posts
Groans: 35
Groaned at 8 Times in 8 Posts
Not Ranked  0 score     
Default

I am running one of these.. and I too had fitment issues.. However the LTFT problem was corrected when I had the dyno tune done..

It now runs like a champ, and as for there being no air straightener.. i am getting consistent LTFT figures under varying loads..

For someone to run this untuned.. i feel ther MAF size is no good.. but if you can tune around it, its not that bad.. and the amsoil filter is very good.

There have been fitment issues with this thing for guys in Australia for years now.. I hoped they had their fingers on the pulse and had sorted it.. obviously i am mistaken

E mail them.. send them the link.. see what comes of it

Doc

Last edited by Doc; 11-07-2008 at 02:21 AM.
Doc is offline   Reply With Quote
 Old 11-09-2008, 02:42 PM   #6
 
HiggyMS3's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Windsor Ontario Canada
Posts: 357   (View Stats)
iTrader: (0)
Rep Power: 0
HiggyMS3 is the leader of the worldHiggyMS3 is the leader of the worldHiggyMS3 is the leader of the worldHiggyMS3 is the leader of the worldHiggyMS3 is the leader of the worldHiggyMS3 is the leader of the worldHiggyMS3 is the leader of the worldHiggyMS3 is the leader of the worldHiggyMS3 is the leader of the worldHiggyMS3 is the leader of the worldHiggyMS3 is the leader of the world
Thanks: 197
Thanked 129 Times in 45 Posts
Groans: 15
Groaned at 4 Times in 4 Posts
Not Ranked  0 score     
Default

I too have this set up. It has been sitting in my basement collecting dust for a few months. I ran it for a few weeks then heard about the wack LTFT's and pulled it out. I had the same fitment issues as Breakdown and Doc did.

I would steer clear of this thing unless you can tune around it.
__________________
2010 Victory Red HHR SS
2008 CPW MS3 (SOLD)
2004 Black SRT-4 (SOLD)
HiggyMS3 is offline   Reply With Quote
 Old 11-10-2008, 10:19 AM   #7
 
desperado callado's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Low Profile, TX
Posts: 170   (View Stats)
iTrader: (0)
Rep Power: 0
desperado callado is a splendid one to beholddesperado callado is a splendid one to beholddesperado callado is a splendid one to beholddesperado callado is a splendid one to beholddesperado callado is a splendid one to beholddesperado callado is a splendid one to behold
Thanks: 3
Thanked 13 Times in 11 Posts
Groans: 0
Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts
Not Ranked  0 score     
Default

Sorry to hear about this. These guys have a great rep among the Miata crowd and Corky Bell's book has made him a celeb in the amateur turbo modding world. I visited them when they were just putting the box together. It seemed a little rough-hewn but it sounds like they're just plain sloppy now.
__________________
The mass of men lead lives of quiet desperation. What is called resignation is actually a lack of boost.

Mods: Defi Blue Racer Boost Gauge, 2nd Fiamm Horn (Low Tone) SU Mid-Pipe. Cobb Adjustable Shifter (now "functioning as intended" with 20mm allen bolts and locking nuts), CP-e Nano SRI. Sometime in the not-too-distant future: Airbox (?) and SU/ETS 3.25 TMIC
desperado callado is offline   Reply With Quote
 Old 12-13-2008, 01:36 AM   #8
Jackal
 
Breakdown81's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Los Angeles Westside
Posts: 869   (View Stats)
iTrader: (0)
Rep Power: 3078
Breakdown81 is the leader of the worldBreakdown81 is the leader of the worldBreakdown81 is the leader of the worldBreakdown81 is the leader of the worldBreakdown81 is the leader of the worldBreakdown81 is the leader of the worldBreakdown81 is the leader of the worldBreakdown81 is the leader of the worldBreakdown81 is the leader of the worldBreakdown81 is the leader of the worldBreakdown81 is the leader of the world
Thanks: 1,754
Thanked 5,871 Times in 285 Posts
Groans: 56
Groaned at 14 Times in 13 Posts
(Thread Starter)
Not Ranked  0 score     
Default

Yeah i was really disappointed as well, i came from the 240sx community and Corky's book is pretty much the bible among the KA-T guys i knew. I figured this product would be a safe bet in the quality department. It's still a sore spot to think i spent money on the thing.
__________________
Tom Anderson
We can make you LOOK fast.
www.juicemonkeyinc.com
Breakdown81 is offline   Reply With Quote
 Old 12-27-2008, 07:16 PM   #9
 
Lee123's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Posts: 29   (View Stats)
iTrader: (0)
Rep Power: 0
Lee123 has a spectacular aura aboutLee123 has a spectacular aura aboutLee123 has a spectacular aura about
Thanks: 3
Thanked 4 Times in 4 Posts
Groans: 0
Groaned at 1 Time in 1 Post
Not Ranked  0 score     
Default

Thanks for posting this. I was considering buying the BEGI to get away from the battery box breaking problems with the Cobb. What kind of intake did you put on when you removed the BEGI? The log you got with the BEGI isn't that much different than what I'm getting with my Cobb SRI. That's why I'm curious what you installed after the BEGI to get such a low LTFT. My LTFT with the Cobb is +8.6 at idle and +13.3 when accelerating. With the factory airbox with multiple holes cut in it I get -3.1 at idle and 0.0 when accelerating. I've gone back and forth a couple times and the results are consistent. Every time I've changed the intake I've unhooked the battery and drained the charge, then let it idle for 10 minutes before driving. The car runs great with the Cobb, so I don't even know why I'm worrying about the LTFT, but I'm sure curious how you got yours so much lower.
Lee123 is offline   Reply With Quote
 Old 01-07-2009, 12:06 PM   #10
 
DaleNixon's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Western Hemisphere
Posts: 2,079   (View Stats)
iTrader: (2)
Rep Power: 0
DaleNixon is the leader of the worldDaleNixon is the leader of the worldDaleNixon is the leader of the worldDaleNixon is the leader of the worldDaleNixon is the leader of the worldDaleNixon is the leader of the worldDaleNixon is the leader of the worldDaleNixon is the leader of the worldDaleNixon is the leader of the worldDaleNixon is the leader of the worldDaleNixon is the leader of the world
Thanks: 6,006
Thanked 1,496 Times in 624 Posts
Groans: 91
Groaned at 17 Times in 9 Posts
Not Ranked  0 score     
Default

I too would like to know what kind of intake you put back on. From your picture, it looks like you had a Cobb before the BEGI. If you put the Cobb back on, I'm very curious how you got such good looking LTFT's.
__________________
Gay car #1: 2001 Miata (Gay White)

Gay car #2: 2011 Mazda 2 (Gay Blue)
DaleNixon is offline   Reply With Quote
 Old 01-12-2009, 11:39 PM   #11
Jackal
 
Breakdown81's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Los Angeles Westside
Posts: 869   (View Stats)
iTrader: (0)
Rep Power: 3078
Breakdown81 is the leader of the worldBreakdown81 is the leader of the worldBreakdown81 is the leader of the worldBreakdown81 is the leader of the worldBreakdown81 is the leader of the worldBreakdown81 is the leader of the worldBreakdown81 is the leader of the worldBreakdown81 is the leader of the worldBreakdown81 is the leader of the worldBreakdown81 is the leader of the worldBreakdown81 is the leader of the world
Thanks: 1,754
Thanked 5,871 Times in 285 Posts
Groans: 56
Groaned at 14 Times in 13 Posts
(Thread Starter)
Not Ranked  0 score     
Default

I went from Stock to BEGi to COBB. Datalogs are not done under WOT. I don't reset my ECU when I install parts. These last two factors more than anything most likely contribute to the way my datalogs look. However In all due diligence i should probably do another set of data logs concerning the COBB SRI now that the filter has been on my car for four months or so.
__________________
Tom Anderson
We can make you LOOK fast.
www.juicemonkeyinc.com
Breakdown81 is offline   Reply With Quote
 Old 04-11-2009, 09:51 AM   #12
 
LiquidSpeed6's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Posts: 3   (View Stats)
iTrader: (0)
Rep Power: 0
LiquidSpeed6 is an unknown quantity at this point
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Groans: 0
Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts
Not Ranked  0 score     
Default Thanks

Thanks for doing this review
LiquidSpeed6 is offline   Reply With Quote
 Old 04-15-2009, 08:02 AM   #13
 
nerv81's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Posts: 38   (View Stats)
iTrader: (0)
Rep Power: 0
nerv81 will become famous soon enough
Thanks: 0
Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts
Groans: 0
Groaned at 9 Times in 2 Posts
Not Ranked  0 score     
Default

Another problem with this box is if you're running an aftermarket BOV (i.e. turbo xs or turbosmart), it won't fit. I had to cut the bend the box to fit my bov, and then it looked like crap so now it's collecting dust in my garage and I went back to Cobb
nerv81 is offline   Reply With Quote
 Old 04-15-2009, 06:39 PM   #14
Jackal
 
Breakdown81's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Los Angeles Westside
Posts: 869   (View Stats)
iTrader: (0)
Rep Power: 3078
Breakdown81 is the leader of the worldBreakdown81 is the leader of the worldBreakdown81 is the leader of the worldBreakdown81 is the leader of the worldBreakdown81 is the leader of the worldBreakdown81 is the leader of the worldBreakdown81 is the leader of the worldBreakdown81 is the leader of the worldBreakdown81 is the leader of the worldBreakdown81 is the leader of the worldBreakdown81 is the leader of the world
Thanks: 1,754
Thanked 5,871 Times in 285 Posts
Groans: 56
Groaned at 14 Times in 13 Posts
(Thread Starter)
Not Ranked  0 score     
Default

Originally Posted by nerv81 View Post
Another problem with this box is if you're running an aftermarket BOV (i.e. turbo xs or turbosmart), it won't fit. I had to cut the bend the box to fit my bov, and then it looked like crap so now it's collecting dust in my garage and I went back to Cobb
You just bought a big ass bpv or one of those combo bpv/bov's which arent the best thing to use on this car anyway. worked fine with the Forge valve.
__________________
Tom Anderson
We can make you LOOK fast.
www.juicemonkeyinc.com
Breakdown81 is offline   Reply With Quote
 Old 04-15-2009, 09:41 PM   #15
 
nerv81's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Posts: 38   (View Stats)
iTrader: (0)
Rep Power: 0
nerv81 will become famous soon enough
Thanks: 0
Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts
Groans: 0
Groaned at 9 Times in 2 Posts
Not Ranked  0 score     
Default

Well I have an HKS on recirc now anyway, but I know a lot of people are rocking the turbosmart. Either way, this thing is a POS compared to the other options out there. Corksport has an enclosed SRI now too which looks pretty nice
nerv81 is offline   Reply With Quote
 Old 09-16-2009, 07:50 PM   #16
 
alexspeed3's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Schiller Park, IL
Posts: 110   (View Stats)
iTrader: (1)
Rep Power: 0
alexspeed3 will become famous soon enoughalexspeed3 will become famous soon enough
Thanks: 0
Thanked 5 Times in 5 Posts
Groans: 0
Groaned at 28 Times in 25 Posts
Not Ranked  0 score     
Default

what did put on when you said "proper intake"

I got a cobb sri and my trims are probably double yours, it's garbage too. I am in search for an intake that will keep the trims under 10
alexspeed3 is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Begi + COBB intake Lex MazdaSpeed 3 - Engine, Transmission & Driveline 24 12-11-2008 11:35 AM
Cobb AP + BEGi Airbox?? Nliiitend1
Cobb Access Port/Maps
1 10-22-2008 12:06 PM
Begi cold air box HiggyMS3 MazdaSpeed 3/6 - Turbo Induction 4 06-04-2008 07:56 PM


All times are GMT -7. The time now is 09:55 PM.
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.6
Copyright ©2000 - 2020, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
SEO by vBSEO ©2011, Crawlability, Inc.
vB.Sponsors
Template-Modifications by TMS
©Copyright 2008 ; 2019 Cymru Internet Services LLC | FYHN™ Autosports HQ
Ad Management plugin by RedTyger
Page generated in 0.38560 seconds with 30 queries