Oil filter info

[ROADWAR]

I change my own oil and have investigated the discrepancy between the size of the filter that comes on the 2010 speed 3 and the listed replacement for it. The filter that comes from the factory is marked as a Ford part and is much longer than the listed replacement. I purchased a Wix replacement (Wix #51348) which is 3.404 inches long. There has been discussion either here or on another forum about the 2010 cars not holding as much oil as listed in the manual when the oil was changed. Researching the Wix site, I found that the filter listed as a replacment for the Mazda 6s (with 3.6 v6) Wix #51516 is identical to the 51348 filter except for length (it is 4.828 inches in length). All other parameters including thread size and length, flow rate, bypass pressure, media particle catching size, and gasket dimensions are identical. This filter obviously will hold more oil. I believe that the Mazdaspeeds are coming from the factory with v6 sized filters. Why is the smaller filter listed as a replacement? Who knows? The smaller filter is the replacement for the 2.0 in the 3i. I'm going to be using the larger filter and getting oil capacity closer to the manual's specification.

Cliff notes version:
Wix "big" replacement filter (like factory installed)= #51516 (holds more oil)
Wix "small" replacment filter (same as 2.0 spin on)= #51348
For those of you that let the dealer do your oil changes, you can specify that they use a Mazda 6s replacement.
Hope this helps.
Kelly

[ChrisK]

My post is not an answer to your question, but I have a question of my own.

The 2nd gen Speed 3 has a spin-on filter from factory?

[liquoredonlife]

I use the Mazda OEM maintenance filter (LF05-14-302A) that fits the 2.0/2.3/2.5. It is slightly smaller than the original FoMoCo one. I filled to the top of the dipstick at 5.25 qts. And yes, 2nd gen is a spin-on.

[Itchy]

What was the original FoMoCo filter part number? I let the dealer do my first oil change after 2000k miles (free with purchase) but I'll be doing the rest myself.

Thanks

[ROADWAR]

Sorry, I don't know the Fomoco number. Just saw the logo on the picture of the filter and went from there. I believe a parts house should be able to cross reference the "big" Wix filter number to a Motorcraft (Ford) number though. Hope this helps.

[deuce_WI]

I asked the parts desk guy at my dealer if he could find some part numbers to possibly switch over an 07-09 MS3 to the spin on oil filter along with the newer style splash guard that allows you to change the oil without removing it.

'That'll void your warranty.' was the first thing out of his mouth.

'I'm pretty sure I voided the warranty by putting gas in the car too.' Stupid clown-shoe, why do I even bother stopping in when there's the internet all over the place.

Anyhow, back on topic. Does anyone think the splash guard from a 2010 will fit on the previous model Speed3? And would that allow for easier oil changes, with a spin on or with the stock cartridge filter?

[Itchy]

from another forum:

-original filter was black FoMoCo #LF8J-14-302

[eric8]

So the OEM filter is labeled as a Motorcraft? Cool, I can buy the OEM filter at Wal Mart!

[phillyb]

part numbers galore - http://www.mazdaspeedforum.org/forum/foru...numbers-28485/

[wankular]

I've heard that the dealer will install the spin-on if you ask (and pay out the ass). Now they're saying they will void you? It's a FoMoCo part!
I actually like having the oil filter covered by the splashguard. But the easiest option would probably be to just cut a big enough hole in it. I shudder to think what Mazda would charge you for a 2010 one, if they even fit.

[phillyb]

dash08 got a new engine under warranty with a spin on installed.
i really think every dealer is different

[dachtler]

Has anyone tried the K&N HP-1002 as a replacement oil filter instead of the stock unit? I've used K&N filters in the past on various cars and have been reasonably happy with them.

Update: I ordered one from Amazon.com for $10 to see what it looks like. I'll update this post with the results.

[Lateapex36]

FWIW the Mobil 1 filter for the 2.3 liter is the same size as the stock one and with the manual recomended 6 quarts its like right at the full line, maybe slightly above

[Itchy]

Before I get the "use the search function" comments I have used the search function on this and other forums ... with no luck.

At some point someone posted a comparison of the different filter dimensions for the original filter and the replacement filter.

Anybody know what I am talking about?

[Monotonous ONE]

Im thinking about going with a Fram oil filter

their sizes for filters are:

Mazda 6 V6: 4.92 inches in length.

Mazdaspeed: 3.34 inches in length


Will going with a larger filter effect fuel pressure whether positive or negatively?

[randyb559]

Originally Posted by Lateapex36 FWIW the Mobil 1 filter for the 2.3 liter is the same size as the stock one and with the manual recomended 6 quarts its like right at the full line, maybe slightly above

I can vouch for that Lateapex. Just did my first oil change at 2650 yesterday and the MOBIL 1 (#M1-102), which is $12.99 at Autozone, is the exact size as the OEM Fomoco filter. Used 6qts and it was @ FULL line.

[z31maniac]

Good to know that my local dealer is on top of things.

Walked in and asked for two oil filters for a 2010 Mazdaspeed 3, and I get a couple of cartridge type filters.

[cesaros]

Originally Posted by z31maniac Good to know that my local dealer is on top of things. Walked in and asked for two oil filters for a 2010 Mazdaspeed 3, and I get a couple of cartridge type filters.

hahaha...dealership fail.

[Kris Speed3 CWP]

Just looked over my service records for the first oil change they put in right filter part# LF10-14-302 and 5W30 oil 2nd oil change right oil filter but wrong oil 5W20, 3rd oil to resolve smoking wrong oil filter LF05-14-302A-CA with 15/40 Amsoil synthetic under warranty. You just have to watch these dealers!! I'll be in there Monday get right filter put on the bastards!!!

[Itchy]

I think that the official Mazda line is that LF05-14-302A is the correct filter.

[Kris Speed3 CWP]

Originally Posted by Itchy I think that the official Mazda line is that LF05-14-302A is the correct filter.

That would be the wrong part as the oil capacities are different in the 2.0L and the 2.5L go to page 10-5 in your Mazda3 owners manual, then take a quick glance at page 8-20 for the caution!! If you use the filter you state you will be way over fill line if you put in 6qts! So the question would be why would you want to run your Speed with less than the recommended amount of oil and an incorrect filter? Mazda Dealers have the right part as my first 2 oil changes were with the correct part# LF10-14-302 the 3rd one I failed to spot it!! FUCK!! Unless of course you do not have a 2010 Disi engine??

[Itchy]

No I a 2010 MS3. I was just stating that officially Mazda lists the smaller filter as the correct part. It's not really that much smaller than the FoMoCo one from the factory.

When I changed the oil it took 5.5 qts instead of the 6.0 listed in the manual. I find it hard to believe that a 1/2 qt extra would fit inside slightly larger filter.

I still have not heard a good answer from Mazda explaining why downsized they filter, (or why the factory installed one is not even available as a replacement) but putting on the filter that is the listed replacement part by Mazda will not hurt your car, as long as you check the fluid level on the dipstick when refilling.

My driving habits are probably far worse for my engine and transmission than my oil filter selection.

[Kris Speed3 CWP]

Went to Mazda dealer today and Parts manager stated that they had changed manufacturer of the filter, hence the new part number. He still had some old stock of LF10-14-302 but from now on will be the slightly smaller LF05-14-302A-CA. Also jumped over to the Ford dealer and gave the part number listed as O.E.M Ford from here LF8J-14-302 and he could not pull it up! The only thing he could get from part number was this filter see pic! But if everyone is getting the right results with the Mobile 1 filter I think I would just get the dealer to install it and ask for credit for filter, hopefully filter is better than mobile 1 oil lol. Went to Canadian tire to get Mobile1 filter and got some pictures of a Fram and a Quaker State both seem bigger than the Motorcraft one and mazda parts both old and new ones! The mobile 1 internals looks like it holds more oil by the design.

[bertrand_CX_7]

Originally Posted by Kris Speed3 CWP right oil filter but wrong oil 5W20, You just have to watch these dealers!! I'll be in there Monday get right filter put on the bastards!!!

They did the same think on me. I've asked the to change oil because the car was more that 3 months on their lots with 12 miles on the odo. So they went there and put 5W20. I noticed it because I was seeing more smoke that unsual when pulling the car and I asked to see the service receipt of the oil change: Was reading 5W20. Asked what that means. Answer: No this is the code we used for oil change, the system doesn't have code for 5W30..... BS. But afterwards they change it the next time.

Why they are doing that? No idea. Because when you open the engine bay the oil cap is red and says 5W30 for the speed3. I'm just not sure what will be Mazda toughts on those practices.

I'm just thinking to give them a 0 in the survey so next time they won't mess up with me again.

Honestly those guys are really dangerous. Next time they'll do somethink like that I'll call Mazda corporate even withouth giving them the chance to repar the rip off. Just imagine, we just got a new car and their are doing that to our babies. What if we show up with an 6-10 years used car. We'll just go broke the next day.



I mean how will you trust those guys?


Any one know if the factory oil in the engine has some breaking fluild on it?

All my next 7 oil changed are payed by the dealership. With all what I'm reading here I'm not sure if I'll let them do the rest 6 free oil change on my car.

[ebnash]

Originally Posted by ROADWAR I change my own oil and have investigated the discrepancy between the size of the filter that comes on the 2010 speed 3 and the listed replacement for it. The filter that comes from the factory is marked as a Ford part and is much longer than the listed replacement. I purchased a Wix replacement (Wix #51348) which is 3.404 inches long. There has been discussion either here or on another forum about the 2010 cars not holding as much oil as listed in the manual when the oil was changed. Researching the Wix site, I found that the filter listed as a replacment for the Mazda 6s (with 3.6 v6) Wix #51516 is identical to the 51348 filter except for length (it is 4.828 inches in length). All other parameters including thread size and length, flow rate, bypass pressure, media particle catching size, and gasket dimensions are identical. This filter obviously will hold more oil. I believe that the Mazdaspeeds are coming from the factory with v6 sized filters. Why is the smaller filter listed as a replacement? Who knows? The smaller filter is the replacement for the 2.0 in the 3i. I'm going to be using the larger filter and getting oil capacity closer to the manual's specification. Cliff notes version: Wix "big" replacement filter (like factory installed)= #51516 (holds more oil) Wix "small" replacment filter (same as 2.0 spin on)= #51348 For those of you that let the dealer do your oil changes, you can specify that they use a Mazda 6s replacement. Hope this helps. Kelly

Keep in mind that aftermarket parts manufacturers look for every opportunity to fit parts to multiple models. You will often find that WIX and others will have one part number that replaces 5 or 6 factory numbers on multiple manufacturers if you look through the cross reference sheets. That being said, what you should really be concerned about is the capacity and bypass pressure setting on what ever aftermarket filter you are using.

Bigger capacity is always better because it can filter at a higher volume and normally means you have more filter surface area depending on the manufacturer and you should always try be be as close as possible to the factory bypass pressure setting. This is the pressure at which your filter will start bypassing the the filtration media and just recirculate back to the engine. Bypass pressure setting is available in the master catalogs as well as WIX's website. Not sure about other brands.

I almost always use factory oil filters unless I research the aftermarket equivilent. By the way, I believe WIX to be one of the better aftermarket brands and NAPA/Carquest premium filters are made by the WIX/Dana corporation so they are the same.

Good luck

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[2010Speed3dragan]

Originally Posted by liquoredonlife I use the Mazda OEM maintenance filter (LF05-14-302A) that fits the 2.0/2.3/2.5. It is slightly smaller than the original FoMoCo one. I filled to the top of the dipstick at 5.25 qts. And yes, 2nd gen is a spin-on.

Absolutely stick with the OEM maintenance filter.

[bmannn]

I own a auto repair shop. We do over 500 oil changes a month. Most oil filter manufactures have went with smaller filters last few years. Think its just so they make more money. Don't really see how it could negatively effect the engine. Other than slightly less oil.

[SFWD 1934]

I have a 2011 and I use the Mobil 1 M1-102 filter. When I did the first oil change, it took just about 5 1/4-5 1/2 quarts. The manual stated it would be about that much. I am in fact going to do another oil change today, so I will verify the amount it takes again and log it.

Jason

[dkapetansky]

Originally Posted by wankular I've heard that the dealer will install the spin-on if you ask (and pay out the ass). Now they're saying they will void you? It's a FoMoCo part! I actually like having the oil filter covered by the splashguard. But the easiest option would probably be to just cut a big enough hole in it. I shudder to think what Mazda would charge you for a 2010 one, if they even fit.

I checked with my local stealership, and they confirmed that the Gen1 and Gen2 splashguards have different part numbers, which implies that they are not interchangeable. So just cut out a hole in the tray, under the oil filter, to make filter changes easy.

[Rustysocket]

Can not believe Mazda does not list the Filter Specs in the owners manual...

However a little research led me to this, and i happen to have a shelf full of them already. Motorcraft FL-400s

Here's the dimensions which seem to correalate to the first post regarding the OEM filter shipped with the car. Cheap and available at Wal-mart. Also cross referenced to a Napa Gold #21516 which is a Wix 51516

Motorcraft Number FL400s
Part Number: 51516
Principal Application: Ford/Lincoln/Mercury (81-09), Chrysler/Jeep/Mitsubishi (02-09), Mazda Trucks (94-07)
Style: Spin-On Lube Filter
Service: Lube
Type: Full Flow
Media: Paper
Height: 4.828
Outer Diameter Top: 2.921
Outer Diameter Bottom: Closed
Thread Size: 3/4-16
By-Pass Valve Setting-PSI: 8-11
Anti-Drain Back Valve: Yes
Max Flow Rate: 7-9 GPM
Beta Ratio 2/20=14/31
Burst Pressure 275
Normal Micron Rating 20
Gasket Diameters

OD 2.734
ID 2.43
THK 0.226

[urville]

I've found conflicitng numbers for the Ford Motorcraft filter:
FL-793
FL-910s

Never the 400 though

[Rustysocket]

FL910 is the short version of the FL400s. The FL400 is dimensionally equivalent to the OEM filter, instead of the shorter one the dealer is now selling.

It is what I am running on my car. You can get all the dimensions from the wix website as well.

Motorcraft FL 910 - Bob Is The Oil Guy

Here are the numbers for a 51348 which is the short filter FL-910

Part Number: 51348
UPC Number: 765809513488
Principal Application: Various Chrysler/Dodge/Jeep (82-11), Various GM, Saturn (85-07), Lexus (90-10), Saab (67-09), Suzuki (86-02), Toyota (88-11), Ford (03-11), Mazda, Mercury (05-11), Yugo (86-89), VW (09-11) Various Lawn&Garden, Farm, HD Equipment
All Applications
Style: Spin-On Lube Filter
Service: Lube
Type: Full Flow
Media: Paper
Height: 3.404
Outer Diameter Top: 2.921
Outer Diameter Bottom: Closed
Thread Size: 3/4-16
By-Pass Valve Setting-PSI: 8-11
Anti-Drain Back Valve: Yes
Beta Ratio: 2/20=6/20
Burst Pressure-PSI: 275
Max Flow Rate: 7-9 GPM
Nominal Micron Rating: 21

Gasket Diameters
Number O.D. I.D. Thk.
Attached 2.734 2.430 0.226

Hope this helps

[urville]

I see I see, the Wix is the replacement for the 793 AND the 910s. I'll check it out cause i saw alot of UOAs that made the motorcraft filters look like the best bang for the buck but none on this wix model. Research away...

[urville]

any benefit or con to the 400s?

[Rustysocket]

I can't see any +/- either way. They are cheap and readily available at wal-mart. The extra volume over the 910 is probably statistically insignificant. For me the only benefit was that I already had a shelf full of them.

[Dubcnea]

i have read these posts but i'm annoyed that mazda would sub such a rather sub par looking filter for what comes on stock. i'm not an engineer but just eyeing them both...one looks quality...the other looks like shit (relative). i semi-reluctantly put the 302B on only because, well, there was no choice. i doubt mazda would put out a filter that would cause an engine issue, but who the fuck knows?

the car ended up taking 5.75qt instead of 6. i checked it several times, the last after a 20 minute drive and 3 minute cooldown (running idle). checked the dipstick right after i shut it off and it was right at the 'max' line.

just for reference, here is the stock (black) vs the replacement i got at the dealer. they even looked up which one via my VIN. i will call tomorrow to see if i can get the black one going forward.

[Daftboy]

So what did the dealership say? did they replace it with another one ? if so what part number

[makjur]

I used a NAPA gold filter recently, would like to give the dude credit that posted on here for ripping a bunch of filters apart and posting everything about them

It was the same size as the white "OEM" filter I replaced, wonder if NAPA makes one thats just as tall as the black one you got there and will still work normally

[CaptObvious75]

I use Fram's synthetic oil filter: FRAM® The Synthetic Oil Filter

I'm happy with it and people online tend to be happy with it as well