Should the Next MazdaSpeed3 be Naturally Aspirated?

[JBR]

What do you think?

[trf5000]

No.

[Mr.Bison]

Not with cars like the ST, WRX, and the GTI around. Everyone is moving turbo, there's no point in going back to NA unless we are talking about an s2k type of motor

[JBR]

Yeah, I couldn't imagine a 200hp Mazdaspeed. I would like to see a turbo sedan myself.

[Lex]

It would be a very big mistake. There is just no way to extract the torque and power easily from an NA engine. People in this segment expect the torque of a turbo and expect to modify the car for more.

It would also kill the majority of the companies making performance products for the car. In my opinion in this day and age, trying to get more power from an NA 4 cylinder is a waste of time and money and often counterproductive. The handling and suspension aftermarket is not a big one for this car either and that shows you what people care about most.

I would NOT be surprised if the MS3 comes in with a diesel 2.2. This is probably how the diesel will be introduced in the 3 range at a premium price.

[dubtastic]

Originally Posted by Lex It would be a very big mistake. There is just no way to extract the torque and power easily from an NA engine. People in this segment expect the torque of a turbo and expect to modify the car for more. It would also kill the majority of the companies making performance products for the car. In my opinion in this day and age, trying to get more power from an NA 4 cylinder is a waste of time and money and often counterproductive. The handling and suspension aftermarket is not a big one for this car either and that shows you what people care about most. I would NOT be surprised if the MS3 comes in with a diesel 2.2. This is probably how the diesel will be introduced in the 3 range at a premium price.

That is a very good point! Gold Star Sir! With the rumors of a Focus RS lurking maybe a Speed3 diesel is a huge possibility. Not to mention the new 3 seems to share dimensions with the CX-5 which has an AWD feature in the option box.

A naturally aspirated Mazdaspeed3 maybe the entry perfomance and the Speed Diesel AWD could be the bad boy of the bunch.

[Haltech]

Originally Posted by dubtastic That is a very good point! Gold Star Sir! With the rumors of a Focus RS lurking maybe a Speed3 diesel is a huge possibility. Not to mention the new 3 seems to share dimensions with the CX-5 which has an AWD feature in the option box. A naturally aspirated Mazdaspeed3 maybe the entry perfomance and the Speed Diesel AWD could be the bad boy of the bunch.

Sorry, a diesel speed 3 will not be so badass... we already make torque higher than a modded diesel would make in this car already. Build me a port injected speed 3 making 350hp or license ecoboost engines from ford. That 2.3 coming out is going to make 330hp without even breaking a sweat.

[alphasaur]

Originally Posted by Haltech Sorry, a diesel speed 3 will not be so badass... we already make torque higher than a modded diesel would make in this car already. Build me a port injected speed 3 making 350hp or license ecoboost engines from ford. That 2.3 coming out is going to make 330hp without even breaking a sweat.

port injection is backwards. license ecoboost? Ecoboost use a Mazda designed block and Mazda did most of the r&d for di for ford afaik.

[Haltech]

Originally Posted by alphasaur port injection is backwards. license ecoboost? Ecoboost use a Mazda designed block and Mazda did most of the r&d for di for ford afaik.

Um no, ecoboost was co-developed by FEV engineering, not Mazda... Ford had Mazda test an early version of ecoboost known as the DISI MZR.

Originally Posted by jseams New Mazda3 MPS / Mazdaspeed3 coming in December - report This has to be a joke... Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk 2

They would just sit on the lots... besides, Mazda already confirmed a speed wouldn't drop until 2016 yr anyhow.

[silvapain]

Originally Posted by alphasaur port injection is backwards. license ecoboost? Ecoboost use a Mazda designed block and Mazda did most of the r&d for di for ford afaik.

I don't know if Mazda designed our block... it has FoMoCo stamped on it. Same with most of the other vehicle's components.

[dubtastic]

Originally Posted by Haltech Sorry, a diesel speed 3 will not be so badass... we already make torque higher than a modded diesel would make in this car already. Build me a port injected speed 3 making 350hp or license ecoboost engines from ford. That 2.3 coming out is going to make 330hp without even breaking a sweat.

Maybe so, but a diesel platform might be the only way to achieve better fuel economy. If you can make crazy power but still be get 40 hwy it may sell like hot cakes.

This of course is complete speculation. Your mention of licensing the ecoboost from Ford is interesting though. I wonder how independent Mazda truly is from its past parent company. They might still share some tech or even design specs for a certain number of years. Very rarely do large companies leave each other cold turkey.

[Haltech]

It would kill their brand off.

[leon78]

The new "speed" 3 would be no faster than my car than.

[dubtastic]

Realistically less HP is not a bad thing in a well sorted lightweight chassis. However one of the appealing things about the speed3 was its nut dragging FWD HP and Torque.

I would be ok with HP numbers between the new mk7 GTI and the Focus ST... ball park 230-ish with 250-60 torque.

I really dont want to see another 8th or 9th Gen Civic. Besides rumor has it that Honda may be going forced induction.

[Raymond]

That would be such a shame, anything with less power I wouldn't find appealing, especially if there isn't much power that can be gained by tuning like Lex said.

MS3's don't have AWD, no DSG, but they are a lot of fun to drive. But if the power also isn't there, I would find it hard to find reasons to buy it IMO.

[El_Diablo]

If its not forced induction or a v8 its typically off my list of vehicles I'm interested it unless its something along the lines of a Lotus or other light weight sports car.

[JBR]

MAZDASPEED D....Has a nice ring to it.

[starscream]

Part of what made the original MS3 Gen1 so kickass and liked by reviewers was the amount of power it had. The Gen2 had more creature comforts and all that along with the power...kinda like they refined it.

I think if you take away the power, youre losing part of the essence of what makes the the Mazdaspeed what it is.

However my thoughts are 99% it will have a turbo, every North American Mazdaspeed car had a turbo...so I figure chances are...its going to have a turbo.

[Stew]

I'm surprised no one has jumped all over them for claiming that the current amount of power is... unusable. That makes no sense to me.

[Flipboi89]

Seriously the comments in that article are just retarded. And un-useable 280 ft/trq and 263hp my ass. Sure we would love awd but doesn't mean that's still some decent numbers for a hot hatch...

I hate people sometimes..

[spdandpwr]

Having come from the 8th gen Civic Si, I can say that N/A is equally as fun and is way more responsive stock for stock Also, my bolt-on si barely walked a genpu (on a highway run) that had an intake and a tune. Clearly N/A can hang.

I think what makes Mazda so great is the overall package: power, handling, fit and finish, and value. This is why I ended up with a genpu. If Mazda can maintain those attributes, I don't care what they throw in the car, as long as it's similarly as fast as the current gen...no point in taking steps backward in terms of the performance -- that's for Honda to do.

[wolly6973]

Originally Posted by spdandpwr Having come from the 8th gen Civic Si, I can say that N/A is equally as fun and is way more responsive stock for stock Also, my bolt-on si barely walked a genpu (on a highway run) that had an intake and a tune. Clearly N/A can hang. I think what makes Mazda so great is the overall package: power, handling, fit and finish, and value. This is why I ended up with a genpu. If Mazda can maintain those attributes, I don't care what they throw in the car, as long as it's similarly as fast as the current gen...no point in taking steps backward in terms of the performance -- that's for Honda to do.

How has nobody called out this brownie faggot yet?

If you believe that, you should go back to your Honduh dick sucking buddies and GTFO!

Also, you can't "barely walk" someone. Walking someone means you beat them easily.

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[spdandpwr]

Originally Posted by wolly6973 How has nobody called out this brownie faggot yet? If you believe that, you should go back to your Honduh dick sucking buddies and GTFO! Also, you can't "barely walk" someone. Walking someone means you beat them easily. Sent from my SGH-I777 using Tapatalk 2

I hear you on everything. And my post after reading it, was a little strongly put.

Let's start with the good news: I won't be brownie soon -- waiting on my next paycheck (just put a good amount down on this car).

About my post, when was I saying anything good about Honda? I just said that N/A motors tend to be more responsive in stock form as compared to turbo motors in stock form. Maybe that's my unknowing opinion -- I've only had 9 cars to judge this from (two turbo, the rest n/a).

Finally, I'm saying nothing but positive things about Mazda! I love this car -- it's easily the best one I've driven. Why would I come on here to talk trash about a car I just paid to own (this is the first car that I've elected to finance because I fell in such love with it). I'M ON YOUR SIDE. Sorry if my post came off as otherwise.

And, about walking somebody -- well you're right. But, how would you explain a race when you're barely pulling on somebody.

[alphasaur]

Originally Posted by spdandpwr I hear you on everything. And my post after reading it, was a little strongly put. Let's start with the good news: I won't be brownie soon -- waiting on my next paycheck (just put a good amount down on this car). About my post, when was I saying anything good about Honda? I just said that N/A motors tend to be more responsive in stock form as compared to turbo motors in stock form. Maybe that's my unknowing opinion -- I've only had 9 cars to judge this from (two turbo, the rest n/a). Finally, I'm saying nothing but positive things about Mazda! I love this car -- it's easily the best one I've driven. Why would I come on here to talk trash about a car I just paid to own (this is the first car that I've elected to finance because I fell in such love with it). I'M ON YOUR SIDE. Sorry if my post came off as otherwise. And, about walking somebody -- well you're right. But, how would you explain a race when you're barely pulling on somebody.

you would explain it by saying you barely pulled.

[impossible]

Originally Posted by spdandpwr Having come from the 8th gen Civic Si, I can say that N/A is equally as fun and is way more responsive stock for stock Also, my bolt-on si barely walked a genpu (on a highway run) that had an intake and a tune. Clearly N/A can hang. I think what makes Mazda so great is the overall package: power, handling, fit and finish, and value. This is why I ended up with a genpu. If Mazda can maintain those attributes, I don't care what they throw in the car, as long as it's similarly as fast as the current gen...no point in taking steps backward in terms of the performance -- that's for Honda to do.

I had an FA5 too.. I miss that 32mpg haha

[spdandpwr]

Originally Posted by impossible I had an FA5 too.. I miss that 32mpg haha

With simple bolt-ons, they weren't too bad. I'm so used to the loudness of the si that I feel like my magnaflow (on my ms3) sounds stock. Regardless, so happy with my mazda. hope she doesn't blow, lol.

[impossible]

Originally Posted by spdandpwr With simple bolt-ons, they weren't too bad. I'm so used to the loudness of the si that I feel like my magnaflow (on my ms3) sounds stock. Regardless, so happy with my mazda. hope she doesn't blow, lol.

Yeah I'm thinking like you right now too haha

[Deldran]

I would not want an eco boost I think they are great motors but they seem to put components in them to only handle stock power levels. Sure Mazda might change those components, but why. Mazda makes great motors so why license something they can so just as well. I don't see that many decisive advantages of an eco boost over the mzr disi.

I do think a diesel would be sweet. 40 mpg highway and just as much power as the disi sign me up. That and diesels can make power relatively easy

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[Tyhackman15]

Ford wouldn't let them throw an eco-boost in because then who the hell would ever buy a focus st?

[jseams]

http://www.worldcarfans.com/11307126...ember---report

This has to be a joke...


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[Lex]

Originally Posted by jseams New Mazda3 MPS / Mazdaspeed3 coming in December - report This has to be a joke... Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk 2

We haven't heard anything about this car so it's likely some sort of regurgitated rumor.

[xx5PEEDxx]

Originally Posted by jseams New Mazda3 MPS / Mazdaspeed3 coming in December - report This has to be a joke... Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk 2

Kinda bitter sweet, if its true, it would be kinda nice to have the last of a good thing, if not, well I guess I will need to trade out!

[BigRedSpecial]

The MS3 isn't a BRZ... no one is going to buy it for its finesse. Take away the brute force and you take away what makes the car unique.

[JgamB]

This would result in a turd on par with the neutered DSM's when they killed off the Talon/Laser and went with a V6 Eclipse and dropped the AWD option.

I would still be disappointed in a 3.5-3.8L V6 making 320HP 300TQ and very little further potential.

[Davsetz]

Unless that diesel came from a truck and has three sequential turbos like the cumstang so my car daintly skips down the road from torque I dont want a diesel. Keep it DISI the 2.5 would be a cool idea or just fix the weak points on the 2.3 and make more power.

[El_Diablo]

An N/A speed sedan as a hold over to compete with the SI would be okay if they called it something else and still gave us a real turbocharged speed

[BigRedSpecial]

Am I the only one that would rather see a DISI version of the 2.0 than the 2.5? That's a long ass stroke...

[Haltech]

Originally Posted by BigRedSpecial Am I the only one that would rather see a DISI version of the 2.0 rather than the 2.5? That's a long ass stroke...

I dunno, both Ford and Mazda have never been known to make shit for power out of a 2.0 like Mitsu does.

Look at the Focus ST as proof.

[Davsetz]

Originally Posted by BigRedSpecial Am I the only one that would rather see a DISI version of the 2.0 rather than the 2.5? That's a long ass stroke...

2.0 plus AWD = World rally qual could be kinda awesome.

[TRex]

" The current MazdaSpeed3 is powered by a turbocharged 2.3-liter I-4 that makes 263 hp and 280 lb-ft of torque, which — associate road test editor Carlos Lago demonstrated in a recent Head 2 Head — is pretty much unusable."

what makes car reviewers such pussies?