Should the Next MazdaSpeed3 be Naturally Aspirated?

[bigmike]

The whole point is the turbo!!! If the new Mazdaspeed is just going to be mostly a tuned Mazda 3 then why even waste the money upgrading? Just get a 3 and mod it. Without the turbo, there seems very little performance mods are even possible. What are we going to spend our money on?

[dubtastic]

I really don't think a na motor is going to be used. To use a non turbo motor would indicate a huge jump backwards in performance. In the hot hatch arms race you have to be over 200 to gain any ground.

[Juyoung]

Exactly, to win the hot hatch war mazda needs more than a mere 200 hp

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[BlueDmnSpeed]

it's not a speed if it isn't turbo'd

[jm211]

I would love to see Mazda stay true to their original disi design, however playing devils advocate I cant help but consider Mazda no longer has Ford's support. Additionally, their sales have sucked esspecially with second gen 3's and 6's as well as the two. Speed sales are lethargic too.

Going with what haltec said, i wouldnt expect another speed for 3 or so years. They need to build up their consumer market to get the resources for the "prosumer" market. This new design hopefully sparks sales for Mazda.

It sucks but it makes sense. Luckily, Mazda has experience in turbo disi, supercharges, rotary and light weight performance so they wont leave us hanging.

[spdandpwr]

Originally Posted by wolly6973 Glad you are coming around, but the main point of my post was that there is no way that a bolted civic beats a ms3 with an intake and tune. Sent from my SGH-I777 using Tapatalk 2

yea, you're right! I definitely had to have ran a stock ms3. If anything, this makes me super excited to get an intake an a tune. F!ck you Honda1!!!...

09 MS3 VS 09 CIVIC SI (FROM DIG CIVIC GETS CAR LENGHT) - YouTube

09 MS3 VS 09 CIVIC SI (FROM DIG CIVIC GETS CAR LENGHT) - YouTube

[461_SS]

Honestly I'd like to see Mazda not have another Speed 3. It's nice and all, but they need a change. I'd personally love to see a turbodiesel RWD Speed 6. Now that would be a blast to drive on and off the track!

[ajkulish]

There will be no more speed3 mazda said it themselves. The next mazdaspeed will be a turbo deisel speed6

[Deldran]

Originally Posted by 461_SS Honestly I'd like to see Mazda not have another Speed 3. It's nice and all, but they need a change. I'd personally love to see a turbodiesel AWD Speed 6. Now that would be a blast to drive on and off the track!

Fixed AWD please

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[461_SS]

Naa RWD! Way more fun to drive and actually takes an "educated" foot to race the car on a track. Just take a look at the Speedsource GX Mazda 6's. They actually use 51% stock components of Mazda's skyactiv diesel engine. Pretty freaking sweet!

[Deldran]

Originally Posted by 461_SS Naa RWD! Way more fun to drive and actually takes an "educated" foot to race the car on a track. Just take a look at the Speedsource GX Mazda 6's. They actually use 51% stock components of Mazda's skyactiv diesel engine. Pretty freaking sweet!

Meh I like awd launches

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[trf5000]

I honestly think that if Mazda would have actually advertised the speed more than they did (not at all) it would have sold much better.

Its pretty much a cult car. Ford Advertised the hell out of the ST, an they are essentially eating up potential MS3 buyers before they even get seat time in an MS3.

[ajkulish]

you guys forget that mazdaspeed was not meant to be a production car. am i the only one who remembers back to the days of the msp and msm when it was only supposed to be a 2 year run model? the mazdaspeed3 came along and completely killed the original point of mazdaspeed street cars. 6 model years and unlimited production. im glad the speed3 is done, for now at least. maybe someday it can make a return but im not too mad about it.

[trf5000]

The only reason I want the current DISI to keep going as a production model is selfish. The more cars on the road with that motor=more aftermarket support.

Look at how many gens EVOs had to go through to get major aftermarket players. Same with Subaru etc. If they kill the DISI now, big name aftermarket support will never come. If they keep pumping it out, eventually there is enough of on them on the road to warrant big budget R&D and aftermarket support.

[dubtastic]

Originally Posted by ajkulish There will be no more speed3 mazda said it themselves. The next mazdaspeed will be a turbo deisel speed6

I'm sorry where exactly did you read this? I believe both vehicles have a very good chance of returning. On the contrary there has been more evidence to support its return than its demise.

http://m.motortrend.com/wot/should-t...ll-385621.html

[CaptObvious75]

Going NA would be like going back to port injection. This isn't a civic si...

[ajkulish]

Originally Posted by dubtastic I'm sorry where exactly did you read this? I believe both vehicles have a very good chance of returning. On the contrary there has been more evidence to support its return than its demise. Should the Next MazdaSpeed3 be Naturally Aspirated? (W/Poll)

I read a bulletin somewhere. also I work as an engineer in the automotive industry and have many friends who work at mazda who assured me that it will not return. sorry to burst everyones bubble. they might have a higher hp na version but it will not be badged a mazdaspeed

[dubtastic]

Originally Posted by ajkulish I read a bulletin somewhere. also I work as an engineer in the automotive industry and have many friends who work at mazda who assured me that it will not return. sorry to burst everyones bubble. they might have a higher hp na version but it will not be badged a mazdaspeed

Interesting. What exactly do your friends do for Mazda?

[ajkulish]

Originally Posted by dubtastic Interesting. What exactly do your friends do for Mazda?

I work in plastics and gaskets mostly, but some other engine components and work with them to help design cam covers, oil pans, head and specialty gaskets etc. for example (but before i was here) my company actually designed the valve cover for the genone ms3 and we designed and manufactured the head gaskets, valve cover gaskets, and oil pan gaskets.

but i also have mazda friends who work at dealerships, my dad was a service manager for a local mazda dealership, and i have friends in mazdaspeed motorsports development who are giving me the same information

[dubtastic]

Originally Posted by ajkulish I work in plastics and gaskets mostly, but some other engine components and work with them to help design cam covers, oil pans, head and specialty gaskets etc. for example (but before i was here) my company actually designed the valve cover for the genone ms3 and we designed and manufactured the head gaskets, valve cover gaskets, and oil pan gaskets. but i also have mazda friends who work at dealerships, my dad was a service manager for a local mazda dealership, and i have friends in mazdaspeed motorsports development who are giving me the same information

Not saying that there isn't an air of truth from your friends, but there is far more evidence showing there will be another sporty 3/speed3, well at least I deeply hope so. It's not uncommon for companies such as Mazda to keep tight lipped until things are a bit more production ready.

[ajkulish]

there may be a sporty version but there are no immediate plans for a new ms3

[Davsetz]

I think the Speed 3 is probably dead. And to be fair it would be because of the niche market they refused to really try to expand out of.

[mituc]

It's not dead. But it will just change dramatically. Think of the differences between the RX7 and the RX8.

[impossible]

Originally Posted by spdandpwr Having come from the 8th gen Civic Si, I can say that N/A is equally as fun and is way more responsive stock for stock Also, my bolt-on si barely walked a genpu (on a highway run) that had an intake and a tune. Clearly N/A can hang. I think what makes Mazda so great is the overall package: power, handling, fit and finish, and value. This is why I ended up with a genpu. If Mazda can maintain those attributes, I don't care what they throw in the car, as long as it's similarly as fast as the current gen...no point in taking steps backward in terms of the performance -- that's for Honda to do.

I had an FA5 too.. I miss that 32mpg haha

[Matx]

Originally Posted by mituc It's not dead. But it will just change dramatically. Think of the differences between the RX7 and the RX8.

so in that logic the new MS3 is ugly and slow as fuck

[spdandpwr]

Originally Posted by impossible I had an FA5 too.. I miss that 32mpg haha

With simple bolt-ons, they weren't too bad. I'm so used to the loudness of the si that I feel like my magnaflow (on my ms3) sounds stock. Regardless, so happy with my mazda. hope she doesn't blow, lol.

[impossible]

Originally Posted by spdandpwr With simple bolt-ons, they weren't too bad. I'm so used to the loudness of the si that I feel like my magnaflow (on my ms3) sounds stock. Regardless, so happy with my mazda. hope she doesn't blow, lol.

Yeah I'm thinking like you right now too haha

[spdandpwr]

^by the way, I see you're active on Youtube videos of MS3s, do you know of any good race videos featuring MS3s? I want to see what they can do.

[dubtastic]

You know I would not be opposed to a NA mazdaspeed, however with that being said, it would need to produce over 210-220 HP to even stand a chance against the competition and make up for the lack of torque. I would miss the turbo grunt, but if the car can dance then I wouldn't mind trading in some HP.

I believe they mentioned the 2.0 skyactiv, wonder what the 2.5 could do if it was given the mazdaspeed treatment.

[impossible]

Originally Posted by spdandpwr ^by the way, I see you're active on Youtube videos of MS3s, do you know of any good race videos featuring MS3s? I want to see what they can do.

Fully bolted E85 MS3 pulling on Evo X with bolt on's & Tune

Mazdaspeed 3 vs Evo X - YouTube

Mazdaspeed 3 vs Evo X - YouTube

[slw97]

Originally Posted by spdandpwr ^by the way, I see you're active on Youtube videos of MS3s, do you know of any good race videos featuring MS3s? I want to see what they can do.

Here is another:

@801MS3;

801ms3 - 1.85, 11.93@120, stock motor, slicks, gt3071, 26psi falling to 22psi, meth.

Mazdaspeed3 eats GTR - YouTube

Mazdaspeed3 eats GTR - YouTube

[alphasaur]

Originally Posted by spdandpwr ^by the way, I see you're active on Youtube videos of MS3s, do you know of any good race videos featuring MS3s? I want to see what they can do.

Mazdaspeed 3 vs Nissan GTR (KCMS Edit) - YouTube

Mazdaspeed 3 vs Nissan GTR (KCMS Edit) - YouTube

Originally Posted by slw97 Here is another: @801MS3; 801ms3 - 1.85, 11.93@120, stock motor, slicks, gt3071, 26psi falling to 22psi, meth.

lolfuuuuu didnt read whole thread.

[msantana101]

Originally Posted by impossible Fully bolted E85 MS3 pulling on Evo X with bolt on's & Tune Mazdaspeed 3 vs Evo X - YouTube

That cah has so much fackin tawk


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[impossible]

Originally Posted by msantana101 That cah has so much fackin tawk Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk - now Free

that was my favorite part of the video haha

[Brandon M]

No,that would be like when Mazda went from the beautiful TT RX-7...to the N.A,Renesis,slow as shit RX-8....why would they make the same mistake twice? But then again it would make our cars sooooo much better and more valuable I would think...classics one day.

[Brandon M]

And also if its not turbo,wouldnt it just be considered a regular 3?And Supposedly (I dont know how true this is) a monster Speed6 is coming soon,at least thats what the Mazda salsmen told me when i bought my Speed.He said "supercharged".im just sayin what he told me,not sure if its true.

[El_Diablo]

Unless your sales guy has an insider he doesn't know a damn thing. This is coming from a sales consultant for Ford and Chrysler products. I have an inside guy for Ford Ecoboost information but everything else is dark to me.

[Tyhackman15]

Originally Posted by Brandon M And also if its not turbo,wouldnt it just be considered a regular 3?And Supposedly (I dont know how true this is) a monster Speed6 is coming soon,at least thats what the Mazda salsmen told me when i bought my Speed.He said "supercharged".im just sayin what he told me,not sure if its true.

Twin charged diesel 6. Would take the market by storm. Of course it won't happen, but it should...

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[BigRedSpecial]

You definitely won't see a supercharged mazda.

[Dimenus]

Originally Posted by Tyhackman15 Twin charged diesel 6. Would take the market by storm. Of course it won't happen, but it should... Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I337 using Tapatalk 2

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