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BOV/BPV Thread ****Updated 2/2015 by @Inquisitive;! Thank you!*** BPV / BOV A Blow-off Valve (BOV) or Bypass Valve (BPV) is a pressure release system present in most turbocharged engines. Its purpose is to prevent compressor surge, and reduce wear on the turbocharger and engine. Blow-off valves relieve the damaging effects of compressor "surge loading" by allowing the compressed air to vent to atmosphere, making a distinct hissing sound, or recirculated into the intake upstream of the compressor inlet. They provide improved / quicker throttle response, better boost handling capacity / higher clamping load to maintain boost pressure more reliably and quicker spool recovery. A compressor bypass valve (CBV), also known as a pressure relief valve or diverter valve, is a manifold vacuum-actuated valve designed to release pressure in the intake system of a turbocharged vehicle when the throttle is lifted or closed. This air pressure is re-circulated back into the non-pressurized end of the intake (before the turbo) but after the mass airflow sensor. A blow-off valve, (sometimes "hooter valve", not to be confused with a bypass valve) performs the same task but releases the air into the atmosphere instead of recirculating it. The blow-off action produces a range of distinctive hissing sounds, depending on the exit design. Some blow-off valves are sold with a trumpet-shaped exit that intentionally amplifies the sound. Some turbocharged vehicle owners may purchase a blow-off valve solely for the auditory effect even when the function is not required by normal engine operation. Motor sports governed by the FIA have made it illegal to vent un-muffled blow-off valves to the atmosphere.[citation needed] Blow-off valves are used to prevent compressor surge, a phenomenon that readily occurs when lifting off the throttle of an unvented, turbocharged engine. When the throttle plate on a turbocharged engine closes, the high pressure air in the intake system is trapped by the throttle and a pressure wave is forced back into the compressor. The compressor wheel slows rapidly and may even stall, and the driver will notice a fluttering air sound. The rapid slowing or stalling stresses the turbo and imparts severe turbo lag if the driver accelerates immediately after the surge event. Disadvantages In the case where a mass airflow sensor (MAF) is used and is located upstream from the blow-off valve, the engine control unit (ECU) will meter out excess fuel because the atmospherically vented air is not subtracted from the intake charge measurements. The engine then briefly operates with a fuel-rich mixture after each valve actuation. The rich mixing can lead to hesitation or even stalling of the engine when the throttle is closed, a situation that worsens with higher boost pressures. Occasional events of this type may be only a nuisance, but frequent events can eventually foul the spark plugs and destroy the catalytic converter, as the inefficiently combusted fuel produces soot (excess carbon) and unburned fuel in the exhaust flow can produce soot in the converter and drive the converter beyond its normal operating temperature range. An alternative method for utilizing both a MAF and a blow-off valve is to have the MAF located down stream between the intercooler and the throttle plate. This is known as Blow-through rather than the traditional Draw-through set up. Care must be taken as to the position of the MAF to prevent damage to the sensitive element. (I.E. on a SR20DE motor, the MAF must be at least 12" from the throttle plate, and the blow-off valve must be 6" from the MAF sensor). By using a draw-through method, the MAF won't be affected by the blow-off valve opening as the pressure is vented before the air reaches the MAF. One approach used to mitigate the problem has been to reduce the boost pressure, which reduces the required venting volume and yields less charge over-calculation by the ECU. The air can also be recirculated back into the intake, a typical stock setup for cars with an upstream MAF sensor. The situation can also be corrected by switching the fuel metering system over to a manifold absolute pressure sensor, a conversion that usually requires a compatible aftermarket ECU or piggy-back fuel controller. The MAP sensor monitors the absolute pressure in the manifold at all times and will correctly detect the change that occurs when the valve vents, allowing the ECU to reduce fuel metering accordingly. Operation A blow-off valve is connected by a vacuum hose to the intake manifold after the throttle plate. When the throttle is closed, the relative manifold pressure drops to below zero bar and the resulting pressure differential operates the blow-off valve's piston. The excess pressure from the turbocharger is then vented into the atmosphere or recirculated into the intake upstream of the compressor inlet. FYI Most BOV/BPV will need some maintenance through the years. Basically they need to be re-oiled. The following list will be discussed below with images: • Forge (both V1, V2 and unknown versions purchased) BPV • Turbosmart Dual Port BPV / BOV Combination • Go Fast Bits (GFB) Respons BPV / BOV Combination • Forge V2 BPV • Forge V1 BPV • HKS SSQV BOV • CorkSport (CS) MZR BPV • Cobb XLE BPV / BOV Combination • Synapse Synchronic BOV • Forge V? BPV • TurboXS BPV • Tial QR BPV • Turbosmart Kompact Plumb Back BPV • GReddy RZ BOV • CX Racing BOV (comes with their FMIC) • JBR DISI Bypass Valve Return Hose • Synapse Synchronic DV Turbosmart Dual Port Maz Type 5 BPV / BOV Combination http://www.mazdaspeedforum.org/forum/foru...1&d=1424237360 Billet aluminium; Holds boost more efficiently over stock valve; BPV spring rate is tuneable to the vacuum of your car; Choice of high pressure and low pressure springs; Gain Top End Horsepower; vents to intake, atmosphere becoming a blow off valve or adjustable mixture of both, while the Sleeper version is quiet during mild boost; note: both are taller, therefore, will not work with stock air-box Available from: Turbosmart Dual Port Maz Type 5 BPV / BOV Combination MS6 (Yes), MS3 Gen1 (Yes), MS3 Gen2 (Yes) $482.96 Go Fast Bits (GFB) Respons BPV / BOV Combination http://www.mazdaspeedforum.org/forum/foru...1&d=1424237419 Dual action, twist BPV to BOV adjustable Available from: Go Fast Bits (GFB) Respons BPV / BOV Combination MS6 (Yes), MS3 Gen1 (Yes), MS3 Gen2 (Yes) $268.68 Forge BPV http://www.mazdaspeedforum.org/forum/foru...1&d=1424237508 Made from billet aluminium V1: Makes a ping / swords clashing noise V2: stealth Available from: Forge BPV MS6 (Yes), MS3 Gen1 (Yes), MS3 Gen2 (Yes) $169.95 HKS SSQV BOV http://www.mazdaspeedforum.org/forum/foru...1&d=1424335674 Info: http://www.hksusa.com/ Nickel-plated, die-cast metal secondary valve, which is swaged to the primary valve, a stainless steel C-Clip and spring to increase sealing and durability; First Sequential Blow-Off Valve featuring a unique, pull-type, sequential valve structure and a differential pressure control system allowing for stable operating ranges from low to high boost pressures. Note that a separate flange must be purchased and fitted to the BOV before installing on your car; comes with inline filter on the vacuum line; can keep closed at idle. The recirculating kit is an optional extra (additional expense), but note that 100% VTA can damage your CAT. Requires a separate (extra cost) mounting flange kit which is difficult to install properly (ex. CP-E, Jay Racing / JSC Speed, etc.) http://www.mazdaspeedforum.org/forum/foru...1&d=1424335847 Available from: Hasegawa, Kitagawa, and Sigma (HKS) SSQV BOV MS6 (Yes), MS3 Gen1 (Yes), MS3 Gen2 (Yes) $331.95 CorkSport (CS) MZR BPV http://www.mazdaspeedforum.org/forum/foru...1&d=1424237643 Half the spring height, 30% larger piston, 33% faster to vent Available from: CorkSport (CS) MZR MS6 (Yes), MS3 Gen1 (Yes), MS3 Gen2 (Yes) $188.99 Cobb XLE BPV / BOV Combination http://www.mazdaspeedforum.org/forum/foru...1&d=1424237678 Different vent modes, pre-load adjustable, compatible with alcohol / water mix, reliably holds high levels of boost without leaks, fast venting, Teflon coated, hard anodized piston providing low sliding friction, reduces surface wear and minimizes maintenance requirements, can hold up to 60 psi Available from: Cobb Tuning XLE BPV / BOV Combination MS6 (Yes), MS3 Gen1 (Yes), MS3 Gen2 (Yes) $295 Synapse Synchronic BOV http://www.mazdaspeedforum.org/forum/foru...1&d=1424237712 Eliminates the need for diaphragms by using a piston actuator that does not require frequent lubrication; can hold 60 psi yet still prevent compressor surge; can install as pull or push type valve Available from: Synapse Synchronic BOV MS6 (Yes), MS3 Gen1 (Yes), MS3 Gen2 (Yes) $289.95 TurboXS BPV http://www.mazdaspeedforum.org/forum/foru...1&d=1424237751 Each flange is beefy to keep it from warping and allowing you to have the best mating surface possible Available from: TurboXS BPV MS6 (Yes), MS3 Gen1 (Yes), MS3 Gen2 (Yes) $239 Tial QR BPV http://www.mazdaspeedforum.org/forum/foru...1&d=1424237783 6 spring options (3 PSI to 12 PSI) Available from: Tial QR BPV MS6 (Yes), MS3 Gen1 (Yes), MS3 Gen2 (Yes) $259 silver, black, red, purple, blue Turbosmart Kompact Plumb Back BPV http://www.mazdaspeedforum.org/forum/foru...1&d=1424237817 Available from: Turbosmart Kompact Plumb Back BPV MS6 (Yes), MS3 Gen1 (Yes), MS3 Gen2 (Yes) $184.49 GReddy RZ BOV http://www.mazdaspeedforum.org/forum/foru...1&d=1424237850 Easily adjustable to eliminate compressor surge and preventing premature boost leakage while increasing boost response between shifts; made of durable cast and billet aluminium frame; valve to diaphragm ratio provides performance that cheap piston types cannot offer; spring stiffness adjustment screw; three models Available from: GReddy RZ BOV MS6 (?), MS3 Gen1 (?), MS3 Gen2 (? Although several Genpu owners have installed this) $360 for Type FV for RX-7 CX Racing BOV (comes with their FMIC) http://www.mazdaspeedforum.org/forum/foru...1&d=1424237882 Available from: CX Racing BOV (comes with their FMIC) MS6 (Yes), MS3 Gen1 (Yes), MS3 Gen2 (Yes) $399 JBR DISI Bypass Valve Return Hose http://www.mazdaspeedforum.org/forum/foru...1&d=1424237913 Direct (5 layers silicone & 4 layers of reinforcement) replacement for OEM, which will show signs of deterioration and cracking within a year degrading performance to eventually throwing a CEL. Available from: JBR DISI Bypass Valve Return Hose MS6 (Yes), MS3 Gen1 (Yes), MS3 Gen2 (Yes) $35 in red, blue, black or white CP-E Helihose http://www.mazdaspeedforum.org/forum/foru...1&d=1424335925 4-ply reinforced silicone hose, helical cut throughout for flexibility, steel wire routed through the hose to prevent kinking, while maintaining extreme flex, two SS liner clamps are included, providing clamping pressure without tearing silicone, gloss silicone finish with CP-E logo, 14.5” in length, made in the U.S.A., lifetime warranty Available from: CP-E Helihose MS6 (Yes), MS3 Gen1 (Yes), MS3 Gen2 (Yes) $64.48 CorkSport (CS) DISI Silicon Bypass Valve Hose http://www.mazdaspeedforum.org/forum/foru...1&d=1424335989 Made from long lasting, four-ply reinforced, high quality, molded silicone for a strong flexible connection for ideal flow from the bypass valve to the turbo inlet pipe, comes in black, red, blue or white with two T-Bolt clamps Available from: CorkSport (CS) DISI Silicon Bypass Valve Hose MS6 (Yes), MS3 Gen1 (Yes), MS3 Gen2 (Yes) $39.99 in black, red, blue or white Synapse Synchronic DV http://www.mazdaspeedforum.org/forum/foru...1&d=1435169446 Eliminates the need for diaphragms by using a piston actuator that does not require frequent lubrication; can hold 60 psi yet still prevent compressor surge; extremely fast response (< 25 msec) to eliminate compressor surge, 6061 aluminium, use a bolt on adaptor or weld Al or SS flange Available from: Synapse Synchronic DV Caps for Synapse Synchronic DV MS6 (Yes), MS3 Gen1 (Yes), MS3 Gen2 (Yes) $282.95; standard black cap (or colours: blue, red, orange, raw - add $29.99) |
Nice write up! |
This should be made a sticky |
@Raider will probably merge it into the NEWB thread. |
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Sorry, actually Just saw this. Can you add Forge v1 and v2? Blue springs no shims. Oh and this is. Sticky. Will mess with the main thread in the am. @RhoadBlock to updated the newb thread. I'll throw $ your way when I get to a computer. |
blue 2 shims you mean, killahpanties. |
For me, no shims. Wild. |
I will work on it tomorrow at some point. I'm finishing some Christmas shopping. Hope it's okay for now. |
Very nice, detailed write-up. This will be great. We better not have any more threats with questions concerning this matter. |
I will add a link to where these can be bought from. Thanks for the input guys.. |
Good write up Ryan, A few spelling mistakes and grammar mistakes but overall well done. Just a few quick things I saw....... (all my own personal suggestions) Quote:
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^ lol nice Adding it to the Newb thread now. @irishking03 also, change the Forge link from a link to a pic. And I'd put a one or two line gap in between each brand, just so all the pics don't run together. You don't necessarily have to add a link to each one if you don't want to. You can probably just mention at the top that most, if not all, can be purchased from several of the forum vendors. Just link the Vendor Section or something. Good work bro. |
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@irishking03 Just figured Id throw my .02, my HKS came with a flange already mounted and a direct bolt on cost a lil more but well worth the simplicity. Dont want to get newbs confused if they run into it online. Also might want to put that most of these bov/bpv need regular maintnence, re-oiling(the hks dosnt) |
Nice thing about hks and mounting the flange yourself is that you can "clock" the hks before tightening down the snap ring so the vacuum inlet does not rub the hood and align the hks body to not rub the oem shroud cover if still using stock tmic. Hks comes with an inline filter on the vacuum line. The cpe helihose is a great replacement recirc hose as it is flexible and reinforced with copper wire. |
The flange mine came with allows for 360 degrees of rotation. |
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Oh for sure once the ring is in place that son of a bitch is fucking solid lol. As to what brand Im not sure. I bought it from a non msf vendor n its only description was that it was 2010 specific. Looks almost exactly like the photo up top. |
Haha! Ya you had me wondering what kit allows for 360* movement when installed. But since yours is solid, its all good. |
Maybe add a description of the stock BPV. It's a dual-chambered design, and works really well as long as the glue seal on the top doesn't leak. I can provide pics of the stock BPV I have disassembled in my garage. Tapadatass |
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Doesn't Synapse have a BOV for the DISI? Or was there a fallout I missed back in the day? http://synapseengineering.pinnacleca...acturer&mid=12 |
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Can anyone confirm that the cobb tuning xle bpv Model#771650 for the mazdaspeed 3 is the same as the cobb tuning xle bpv Model#724650 for the Subaru Impreza WRX 2008-2012? They look identical on cobb's website. I would save almost $50 online if I purchase the wrx one from here: Cobb tuning 08-10+ WRX and 05-09 LGT , Engine Performance, Subaru 2008+ WRX / STI performance parts, Subaru Performance If this has been covered already I apologize... |
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Excellent valve, holds up to 60 psi and is very fast. usename Robry has it on his car now. |
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Also, how are you running it? with full circulation, does it make any sound? |
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I'm running it in full recirc. It does make a sound, but not quite as loud as a full VTA BOV would. If you have an open element intake such as an sri or cai, that is what lets most of the sound out of the intake system from a bpv. I'm not sure whether or not the dimensions for the wrx and the mazdaspeed are the same on the flange, so I can't tell you for sure whether or not the xle for the 2 applications are identical. Edit: see post below |
^ my forge v1 and stock bypass worked fine on my friends legacy gt so i don't see why the cobb xle shouldn't work |
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this is awesome - thanks so much |
i like the cobb xle -- AWESOME |
Any suggestions for a Forge V1 with CP-E nano and turbo inlet? which spring / shim combo? Thanks! |
Holy crap. Search button lol. Sent from my T-Mobile G2 using Tapatalk |
Great thread. Thanks :) |
Thanks for thread good info |
I am currently in the market and finalizing all the paperwork for my 2011 ms3. I already have a small list of parts I am looking to buy without voiding warranties. The only part that I have been reading about and sort of worried about is the BOV. I am leaning towards the turbosmart dual port 50/50, my friend has this exact piece but I think I would like to hear a little more from a forum. I know I can run full recirculation, but I also want to know that if I keep it 50/50 will my car run rich? It will be my first modification to the car along with a corksport stage II short ram intake. I am worried about the car running rich and causing ecu problems them eventually totally ruining my car. So any information would be greatly appreciated. I was also wondering if any lights on the dash come on such as engine check when you put on the BOV. Thank you Future ms3 lover |
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