Light weight flywheel with several staged clutch options?

[ptperformance]

I need to get an idea on how many would like to see something like this.

This would get rid of the crappy self adjusting PP and you would have at least 3 options for different disk material as well as full face and puck style.

We might be able to get 2 different pressure plate ratings as well but we are limited to what we have for options.

Prices would be around $1000 a pop but they would come with all the hardware, flywheel, PP, disk and TOB (if affordable) in one complete kit.

I have the flywheel at the machine shop and they are looking for differnet ring gear options that will work. I have the pressure plate sitting at the clutch "guys" for them to work there majic on finding the right PP to work with the flywheel.

This should get rid of 40lb of rotating mass on the rear of the motor, which would net much quicker spool times of the motor and should get the car down the track with a 3 to 4 MPH gain in the 1/4 mile.

Let me know if you would like to see this so I can get a number over to the machine shop for "possible" marketing. If no one wants this I will be doing one for myself and moving on with it... more or less it will cost me $2500 for one clutch and I will through away the design pattern for it if no interests are there for a better clutch.

[samsel450r]

i would...expetially when i go with a bigger turbo..im starting to feel like my car needs a new clutch now.. but im all out of money right now..

[ATE BALLER]

I'd be down in the future.

[ptperformance]

Good, I have directed the proper people to this thread so they can get an idea of what to expect for future sales.

[numbnuts22715]

Id be interested once i need a replacement

[Laloosh]

u make it for a grand, ill give u the money right now

[vasaribm]

Sounds good. I'm interested.

[06Speed6]

I don't need a clutch at the moment, but I am sure that I will eventually need one and $1000 for a combo is a pretty good deal.

[4thStroke]

When Im ready for one, this is the route Id like to go if available.

[Shanems3]

same here, when i need a clutch, ill go this route, but only when mine is gone..

[MStempted]

need flywheel only, have spec clutch in closet lol

[ptperformance]

Originally Posted by MStempted need flywheel only, have spec clutch in closet lol

I wish it worked that way. It will have to be different then the replacment or the SPEC units. This is the only way we can get away with a better PP and some bigger disk's or better materials for the disks. More or less you screwed with your SPEC set up, sorry.


To all the other guys, thanks for the turn out on this. I have been told that the persons watching this thread was surprised with the outcome. Keep them coming.

[MisterMatt]

definately interested

[mexicant]

BRING IT!! produce them and we will come

[buddhabum]

I would pay 1000 right now for the combo... Who is doing the clutch ACE?

[Speedie6]

I wish this was available a couple of months ago. When I blew my trans, I went looking for what was available, and all I could find was the Spec clutch and no flywheel. So, I just got my stock flywheel resurfaced. (Yes, you can, in case you have heard you can't...)

But, now that it is done, well, I'm not anxious to tear apart the trans again. I will say that if someday in the future I need a clutch again, and you have a clutch/flywheel product available, I will likely buy it.

[cld12pk2go]

Would be very interested when a replacement is required.

I would want a clutch with near stock manners (zero chatter when slipping at any RPM) that can hold ~400 FWTQ. That should cover me for all future power upgrades. Does this fit your plans?

[GT-Mazdaspeed 6]

I'll definately keep that in mind for when mine eventually goes out.

[speedster 3]

what about a lightweight flywheel?

[Speedie6]

Originally Posted by speedster 3 what about a lightweight flywheel?

What he has proposed is a flywheel/clutch system. He said that what he is proposing would not be compatible with stock flywheels or current aftermarket clutches, which is Spec.

[ptperformance]

Originally Posted by buddhabum I would pay 1000 right now for the combo... Who is doing the clutch ACE?

Not ACE, it would be a top name company that backs there product.

[ptperformance]

Originally Posted by cld12pk2go Would be very interested when a replacement is required. I would want a clutch with near stock manners (zero chatter when slipping at any RPM) that can hold ~400 FWTQ. That should cover me for all future power upgrades. Does this fit your plans?

We would make it fit that very easy. The best thing about it would be the less rotating weight with aluminum flywheel, that is going to be a huge deal for the MS3.

We will offer full face clutch disks so that will cure any "chatter" that you would get from a puck style set up.

[ptperformance]

Originally Posted by speedster 3 what about a lightweight flywheel?

That is what we are getting at with this thread, it will be a LW set up for sure.

[silversurfer3]

i would like to see this for when i need to replace my set up

[cld12pk2go]

Do we know the limit of the stock clutch?

I am sure someone will eventually overpower it, but I haven't heard of anyone doing it yet...

[ptperformance]

Originally Posted by cld12pk2go Do we know the limit of the stock clutch? I am sure someone will eventually overpower it, but I haven't heard of anyone doing it yet...

The self adjusting unit that it is makes it difficult to determine. I can tell you that our 300 + WHP MS3 is having clutch issues. I know that there are a few others here on the boards that have replaced there clutch and they are around 350 ish or more.

I would have to say that the stock clutch can not handle more then 370 to 400 WTQ. We use to be able to leave black marks on the road when we shifted to 2nd gear in our car... not anymore and it smells funny now after we do a hard pull. Time for a clutch if you ask me.


When you do over power it at least you will have an option on the market with a light weight flywheel (maybe). I will be talking with the clutch shop next week so we can get this figured out. Thanks guys.

[Laloosh]

how long till a product is at my house?

[silversurfer3]

1 year ^^^^^^^^

[silversurfer3]

and if you oder it from pg 2 years

[redrocketz]

Originally Posted by silversurfer3 and if you oder it from pg 2 years

haha funny. We have a speed 6 and speed3 Flywheel at a well known company right now getting lightweight one-pieces made that will fit factory style clutches.

[Speedie6]

Originally Posted by redrocketz haha funny. We have a speed 6 and speed3 Flywheel at a well known company right now getting lightweight one-pieces made that will fit factory style clutches.

That's good to know. I wish you or PT or somebody would have had something a couple of months ago!

[ptperformance]

Originally Posted by Laloosh how long till a product is at my house?

I can not give an exact estimate at this time. I want to say December time frame but I did that with the fuel pumps, not going to do that with the clutches.

So let me get some more info Monday and we can take it from there. Thanks.

[ptperformance]

Originally Posted by redrocketz haha funny. We have a speed 6 and speed3 Flywheel at a well known company right now getting lightweight one-pieces made that will fit factory style clutches.

Bad way to go. The self adjuster pressure plate that comes with the factory unit will start to come apart in higer RPMs and when you start making it hold more power. The self adjuster will "lock down" on itself and cause a failed clutch issue. How do we know this... same clutch is used on many popular vehicles that are now making mad power.

It will be a good option for those that are stock or a little over stock power levels. When you start to get into the high 300 or 400 range that stock PP will become a huge problem.

[ptperformance]

Originally Posted by Speedie6 That's good to know. I wish you or PT or somebody would have had something a couple of months ago!

The amount of work that goes into a ground up built for a new clutch is crazy. With our set up we are switching out the stock PP and disk and the flywheel has to be drilled for that PP application. Then we have to fit it under the stock bell housing. Not easy to do but thank god they made the disk a sprung unit (not normal when you have a dual mass flywheel like the MS3 and 6 have). This should give us that little extra room that we needed.

[redrocketz]

Originally Posted by ptperformance Bad way to go. The self adjuster pressure plate that comes with the factory unit will start to come apart in higer RPMs and when you start making it hold more power. The self adjuster will "lock down" on itself and cause a failed clutch issue. How do we know this... same clutch is used on many popular vehicles that are now making mad power. It will be a good option for those that are stock or a little over stock power levels. When you start to get into the high 300 or 400 range that stock PP will become a huge problem.

that's why you can use the Spec clutches as the PP's they use are different depending on the stage you go with. I have personally felt all the way to the stage 4 in a car and they are great. They hold alot more than stock levels also.

[ptperformance]

Originally Posted by redrocketz that's why you can use the Spec clutches as the PP's they use are different depending on the stage you go with. I have personally felt all the way to the stage 4 in a car and they are great. They hold alot more than stock levels also.

Are you sure about that? They are not of the self adjusting type? Last time I checked they were.

[Speedie6]

Nevermind, PG already said what I was saying...

[shadesofgray19]

Is there any interest in different weights on the flywheels. I imagine that the speed3's could use a lighter flywheel than the speed6's. No first hand experience, but from what I have read is that if you go too light on the flywheel on an awd car it becomes a major bitch to keep the car from stalling when you pull out. They take a little more rotational mass than say front or rear wheel drive vehicles to operate smoothly. Any truth to this??

[ptperformance]

Originally Posted by shadesofgray19 Is there any interest in different weights on the flywheels. I imagine that the speed3's could use a lighter flywheel than the speed6's. No first hand experience, but from what I have read is that if you go too light on the flywheel on an awd car it becomes a major bitch to keep the car from stalling when you pull out. They take a little more rotational mass than say front or rear wheel drive vehicles to operate smoothly. Any truth to this??

Yes that is why we will be looking at a steel flywheel for the MS6 not the LW aluminum unit that is getting built for the MS3.

[Speedie6]

Originally Posted by ptperformance Yes that is why we will be looking at a steel flywheel for the MS6 not the LW aluminum unit that is getting built for the MS3.

Huh. Interesting. Though, of course, I'm sure you will say that even steel, your MS6 flywheel will be better than stock, but, I guess I feel like there is less of a need to replace it.