Why does your motor blow thread, look inside.

[Speedy3]

Originally Posted by ptperformance . I don't think the knock is comming from rotation, I think it is either excessive spec opening or the pin sticks and then "snaps" to release past the gall mark. That should trigger a 18 to 24 hz range signal. That would depend on engine speed as well. I think the better option is the pins "slop" and when the pistons reach TDC and trassition from push to pull on the piston pin is causing the knock. You would not hear this knock when under heavy load because the piston is being forced down by the expanding gasses. This would only cause knock under light load due to the expanding gasses not being as great when under low load applications. Again, just therory on this but the pins I have seen with the pistons all galled up would indicate exessive gap/clearance between them.

Maybe this is the new noise i am hearing then....

[gtlaw]

Originally Posted by ptperformance I don't think they would look that deep into it. But, if your going to play you have to be ready to pay. That is my motto and I will still take the car to Mazda if the motor blow, there will just be a case of beer in the trunk for the tech and sevice writer when I take my modded car down to them. It never hurts to try and being honest is way better then trying to "sneak" one by them.

well I wouldn't want to run meth in hopes of making the most HP. I would just want to be safe, and keep things clean

I thought when a motor blows they send it to mazda for inspection

[ptperformance]

Originally Posted by redrocketz the rod that goes through the side of the block on DISI engines is the same one that does it on regular factory 2.3 engines there is a known oiling issue on that cylinder but Mazda doesn't seem to give two shits about it. There are at any given time I've noticed 3 cars at the dealer needing new engines. I've said this a few times now but no one listens what do I know.

We have seen several at the dealer as well, none of them regular 3's but the speed version is getting motors replaced at an alarming rate. If you ask me, I see a recall here very soon.

[Lex]

Originally Posted by ptperformance We have seen several at the dealer as well, none of them regular 3's but the speed version is getting motors replaced at an alarming rate. If you ask me, I see a recall here very soon.

I wonder if anything was changed in the later production years of this motor to address the problem. It is also interesting to note that if the motors go, they seem to go in the earlier stage of life.

[ptperformance]

Originally Posted by ptperformance How to fix this? Proper pin to rod clearance (race specs) or cut down on the EGT's and get the heat out of the motor. This doesn't mean that there are not bad sets out there. Again, just speculation and since Jon had a piston come apart.... well what do you think?

Originally Posted by ptperformance Built motor, this should take care of all the problems if the motor is built correctly. If not, then your going to see failures in the piston heads with pin failures all over the place. All our built motors will have the proper specs in them to keep this from happening. These solutions should be good up to 420 WHP or 400 WTQ. If you were to add ceramic to the piston heads, this will go a long way in keeping the heat out of the piston pins.

Originally Posted by mrlilguy157 These two statements completely contradict themselves.

Out of this whole thread thats all you have to say, wow.

Elaborate please. I will highlight where they are not contradicting, I can take this one of two ways. I am going to take it as you didn't read the whole of the text and not trying to stirr things up. If its the latter, I will simply ask you to not post in this thread. Thanks.

[Deadman]

i highly doubt there would be a recall... i know of 1 member with speed6 that has 90K+ miles on his car(modded too mind you).. It's just weird that people like whoosh and a few others can run high hp on stock block no probs.. others claim they are driving along and boom? Half the people i dont buy that story but i assume its possible..I have had no probs with my car currently and im at 27k.. car is all taken apart tho at the moment.. got a special someones fmic , cpe fp, and valve cover coming

if there does end up being a recall wouldn't that be nice....sigh


EDIT: and i agree it seems that if the motor goes then it happens early on.. dont see anyone with 40+ 50+ blowing.

[ptperformance]

Originally Posted by Speedy3 Maybe this is the new noise i am hearing then....

Maybe or it could just be a bad injector or ??? The only way to tell would be to tear down the motor before it lets go. Maybe have Mazda take a look at it under warranty. At least the tear down would be free.

Originally Posted by gtlaw well I wouldn't want to run meth in hopes of making the most HP. I would just want to be safe, and keep things clean I thought when a motor blows they send it to mazda for inspection

It seems to be hit or miss on the return status of the motors, not all are getting recalled back to Mazda. Maybe after this thread they might be getting called back.

Originally Posted by Lex I wonder if anything was changed in the later production years of this motor to address the problem. It is also interesting to note that if the motors go, they seem to go in the earlier stage of life.

There is a revision for the piston and rod part number, I have not ordered one yet but I would suspect that there would have to be changes made to the 2010 if not the 2009 model year cars.

[ptperformance]

Originally Posted by Deadman i highly doubt there would be a recall... i know of 1 member with speed6 that has 90K+ miles on his car(modded too mind you).. It's just weird that people like whoosh and a few others can run high hp on stock block no probs.. others claim they are driving along and boom? Half the people i dont buy that story but i assume its possible..I have had no probs with my car currently and im at 27k.. car is all taken apart tho at the moment.. got a special someones fmic , cpe fp, and valve cover coming if there does end up being a recall wouldn't that be nice....sigh EDIT: and i agree it seems that if the motor goes then it happens early on.. dont see anyone with 40+ 50+ blowing.

I agree with you on the higher mileage motors not letting go, how many are modded though? I even think that climate could be playing a part in the motors coming apart. If anyone has noticed that its all the warmer climates (% wise) that have the highest motor failure rate. Now I am not sure but could winter setting in cause more failures of the motors? Hell, now I am really grasping at straws. All I can tell you is, parts in the motor are being affected by heat and piston pins are galling because of that. Heat and the poor combustion chambers are huge contributing factors to the motor failures. Oiling issues are being addressed now, I will have pictures and posts to report on when we have something solid to offer up for everyone to see.

[Deadman]

i have been runing mobil1 5w-20 or 30 dont remember, and i have no smoking issues.. no catch can either.. My car has not had any of the probs that you see on these forums..(KNOCK ON WOOD) =D

'06 Black Mica Mazdaspeed 6 GT
HKS SSQV BOV, HKS Twin-Power Ignition, Speedie6 Turbo inlet, Turbine Tech. Front Engine Mount, VentPod w/VEI boost guage
CP-E: Rear Mount, DeltaCore FMIC, PnP Standback EMS, Xcel CAI, HPFpump, Downpipe (lovin' that CP-E !!!)
Driver's Wheel Well Vent Cover (prevents filter soaking), R1 Concepts Slotted Rotors w/stock pads
Redline Synthetic Gear Lubes, Valvoline SynPower Brake Fluid, Mobil-1 SuperSyn Extended 5W-30
^90k+ miles on it..modded a bit id say
Stock KO4 Turbo is clean after 90K miles! - Mazda6 / Atenza

i bought my car back in october of 2006 so its an early build id say..dunno just weird thats its so spreadout yet it seems to happen more often than not

[Lex]

The 2010 may be a different motor - so 2009 is the latest year built. I think the build date makes the biggest difference. It would be worthwhile inspecting the new part and taking some measurements.

[ptperformance]

Originally Posted by Deadman i have been runing mobil1 5w-20 or 30 dont remember, and i have no smoking issues.. no catch can either.. My car has not had any of the probs that you see on these forums..(KNOCK ON WOOD) =D '06 Black Mica Mazdaspeed 6 GT HKS SSQV BOV, HKS Twin-Power Ignition, Speedie6 Turbo inlet, Turbine Tech. Front Engine Mount, VentPod w/VEI boost guage CP-E: Rear Mount, DeltaCore FMIC, PnP Standback EMS, Xcel CAI, HPFpump, Downpipe (lovin' that CP-E !!!) Driver's Wheel Well Vent Cover (prevents filter soaking), R1 Concepts Slotted Rotors w/stock pads Redline Synthetic Gear Lubes, Valvoline SynPower Brake Fluid, Mobil-1 SuperSyn Extended 5W-30 ^90k+ miles on it..modded a bit id say Stock KO4 Turbo is clean after 90K miles! - Mazda6 / Atenza i bought my car back in october of 2006 so its an early build id say..dunno just weird thats its so spreadout yet it seems to happen more often than not

The 6 doesn't seem to have the same problems as the 3 does with the motors letting go as often. You have the HKS Twin power on the car as well. I wonder if that plays a part in the car going boom? Hmm, how long has that been on the car?

Originally Posted by Lex The 2010 may be a different motor - so 2009 is the latest year built. I think the build date makes the biggest difference. It would be worthwhile inspecting the new part and taking some measurements.

I have been informed that it's the same DIZI motor and from what I have read it's going to stay the same as well. Then again we were suppose to have the AWD Focus here by now as well..... one never knows.

[booya620]

I just got to let people know that Jon called me less than an hour ago to fill me in on everything going. I have to give him props for being so committed to the mazdaspeed 3 his out of pocket costs must be pretty high right now and at a time where the economy isn't doing so well. His meth group buy looks like it will have a really sweet price.

[ptperformance]

Originally Posted by booya620 I just got to let people know that Jon called me less than an hour ago to fill me in on everything going. I have to give him props for being so committed to the mazdaspeed 3 his out of pocket costs must be pretty high right now and at a time where the economy isn't doing so well. His meth group buy looks like it will have a really sweet price.

When people leave a number in a PM for me to call I am normally good about calling them back. Costs are high but with the products (one day) we plan on getting to market with should offset the costs. Thanks for making the post, not many car to take the time to do such. Its much appreciated.

[Lex]

I am quite interested in this meth kit group buy. When will it be up?

[soul.survivor]

very interesting indeed, thanks for your hard work

[ztuner]

Originally Posted by ptperformance Pre turbo, not aft. We also did pre and aft turbo pressure readings. Very interesting to find out that the stock turbo runs at damn near 2.3 to 2.4 pressure ratio. A good clip and port work to the turbine housing might add a good amount of protection to the turbo.

the reason i asked was this. High egts pre turbo do not translate to high cly temps. If the clyinder temps were high you would have a piston issue. If EGTS are high you should be burning exhaust valves before piston / rod heating issues. Poor wrist pin oiling might cause an issue that you suggest, high cylinder pressures bight be an issue but EGT's have very little to do with wrist pin failure

On a DI engine you have significant combustion chamber cooling due to the fuel being injected directly on piston crowns. I would suggest that youyour failure is not combustion heat related but cylinder pressure or oiling based.

Since you have pulled several of these engines, can you specify where the oil squirters point on these engines ?

Harry

[Smoker6]

Originally Posted by Lex I am quite interested in this meth kit group buy. When will it be up?

I'm also interested. Preassembled kit + GB price + instructions = Where do I send the money? No intake mani available any time soon also means a change of approach for me, and a meth kit is on top of the list. Let me know if you need any speed6 testing or anything of the sort.

[ptperformance]

Originally Posted by Lex I am quite interested in this meth kit group buy. When will it be up?

This weekend.

Originally Posted by soul.survivor very interesting indeed, thanks for your hard work

Thanks, we are working on it.

Originally Posted by ztuner the reason i asked was this. High egts pre turbo do not translate to high cly temps. If the clyinder temps were high you would have a piston issue. If EGTS are high you should be burning exhaust valves before piston / rod heating issues. Poor wrist pin oiling might cause an issue that you suggest, high cylinder pressures bight be an issue but EGT's have very little to do with wrist pin failure On a DI engine you have significant combustion chamber cooling due to the fuel being injected directly on piston crowns. I would suggest that youyour failure is not combustion heat related but cylinder pressure or oiling based. Since you have pulled several of these engines, can you specify where the oil squirters point on these engines ? Harry

Yes and to a point you are correct, we have seen piston pocketing, we have seen issues with "popcorn" marks on the tops of the pistons and complete burn through on a one piston. This is a heat issue in the combustion chamber. The exhaust valves are made out a much higher material then the pistons, the pistons are going to let go long before the valves do. I see what you are getting and I don't feel it necessary to explain the exact science that goes into what the problem is. Its a heat issue, the WI seems to fix it. Is that something we can agree on?

Thermal flux, you seem to be smart and you should know what that is. The crown of the piston is getting hit with a hammer when you start to push the boost and power up on the stock motor. Hot then gets hit with a splash of cool fuel. Its great at cooling the top of the piston down but horrible at complete component cooling. If you take a look at some of the motors that have blown apart you will see that the tops of the pistons are heat checked with impact damage but the piston never hit anything. This is either high cly temps or detonation (hand in hand if you ask me) which could lead but not always to higher EGT's. It just depends on how far the motor is allow the detonation (if thats whats happening) to go before the motor lets go. Again, speculation as to whats happening on the parts I have taken a look at.

I have attached a picture of the block location oil squiters and I believe that they have a slight j hook angle on them. If I am correct they point to the base of the piston but offset a little bit to the exhaust side. I think? I would have to throw one together really quick to check it to be 100% on this. Here is the link with some pictures for you to look at http://www.mazdaspeedforum.org/forum/foru...torn-down.html

I do think its an oiling issue but I think its heat related. If it were just an oiling issue stock MS3 would be coming apart all over the place and you not have members cars like Darksun pushing his car and turbo to the brink with out a problem.

Let me put it this way, if the WI it keeping some of the higher WHP stock block motor together... what else could it be?

Originally Posted by Smoker6 I'm also interested. Preassembled kit + GB price + instructions = Where do I send the money? No intake mani available any time soon also means a change of approach for me, and a meth kit is on top of the list. Let me know if you need any speed6 testing or anything of the sort.

I will be getting to the GB this weekend and we are shooting for under $300 shipped. Directions will come with the kit but they will not be specific for the MS3 (to many want to mount there pumps or tanks in different locations to make that a possibility). If you are looking for an intake manifold let me know, we have one of our ported stock units getting tested here end of the month on both the MS3 and 6. Results will be posted first of next month.

[ptperformance]

ztuner I fogot to mention that this only seems to be a problem with higher RPM, lower RPM we have not seen the heat checking and popcorn marks showing up. It could be something completely different then what I am saying here but from what I have seen, nothing but heat and oiling issues seem to be the leading cause for the problem. Like one other member said, if there is a MFG issue with the part adding more heat will only show where that problem is.

[ptperformance]

http://www.mazdaspeedforum.org/forum/foru...-my-motor.html this is a perfect example of what I am talking about. One spot on the piston is getting the cool gas, the rest of the piston (where the piston pin sits in the piston) is being allowed to heat up from the surrounding piston material. After you have so much heat into the piston pin it will expand and either lock onto the piston or lock onto the rod small end. This is when the motor goes boom.

[Deadman]

ptp that list that i posted was of another members speed6, the one that has 90K+ miles on the clock. He just got the HKS ignition this past week. Were you saying maybe that helps to aid in not blowing? I wonder why the 6 has less cases... it does seem that the 3's are for more prone to going boom.

[ptperformance]

Originally Posted by Deadman ptp that list that i posted was of another members speed6, the one that has 90K+ miles on the clock. He just got the HKS ignition this past week. Were you saying maybe that helps to aid in not blowing? I wonder why the 6 has less cases... it does seem that the 3's are for more prone to going boom.

The only thing that I can think of is engine load. The 6 has more mass, AWD and basic higher engine loading for just moving the car around. That could be enough to keep the oil, clearances, fairy dust in all the nooks and crannys. That is the only thing that I can come up with as to "why" the 6 doesn't have as many cases as the 3. It could also be something as simple as different oil pump, pistons or ???? with the motor. Has anyone ever confirmed that all the parts are the same part number?

[Smoker6]

Originally Posted by ptperformance I will be getting to the GB this weekend and we are shooting for under $300 shipped. Directions will come with the kit but they will not be specific for the MS3 (to many want to mount there pumps or tanks in different locations to make that a possibility). If you are looking for an intake manifold let me know, we have one of our ported stock units getting tested here end of the month on both the MS3 and 6. Results will be posted first of next month.

Very nice. I am looking for a mani. I had slacked off because I assumed whoosh's SM was going to come to fruition, but no luck. I'm not in a huge rush atm because I'll be out of the country until the second week of January, and I won't be putting anything new on the car then. lol Looking forward to the results and the GB.

[Deadman]

hrmm ya idunno... thanks for atleast taking a stab at that lol... i guess until we narrow this down we wont know.

[JimmyMac]

Hey PT, what are the specs on the stock MS3 wrist pins? Diameter x Length. Thanks...

[ptperformance]

Originally Posted by Smoker6 Very nice. I am looking for a mani. I had slacked off because I assumed whoosh's SM was going to come to fruition, but no luck. I'm not in a huge rush atm because I'll be out of the country until the second week of January, and I won't be putting anything new on the car then. lol Looking forward to the results and the GB.

We will have a tubular unit out next year some time. Sounds good, I will post up some pictures of what we have planned for the intake manifold here soon.

[ptperformance]

Originally Posted by JimmyMac Hey PT, what are the specs on the stock MS3 wrist pins? Diameter x Length. Thanks...

No idea, I have them writen down somewhere but it would be easier for me to grab one and measure it. Down to the .001 be ok or do you want it further?

[JimmyMac]

Should be fine. Thanks.

[Superstretch18]

So here's a question; how many of the blown engines have had smoking turbos? Stay with me, because I'm not pointing to the turbos as the issue.

If some engines are running hotter than others with higher egt's, it is possible that they're the one's cooking the oil bearings on some turbos? If that's the case, is a smoking turbo an early warning of a potential boom?

[ptperformance]

Originally Posted by Superstretch18 So here's a question; how many of the blown engines have had smoking turbos? Stay with me, because I'm not pointing to the turbos as the issue. If some engines are running hotter than others with higher egt's, it is possible that they're the one's cooking the oil bearings on some turbos? If that's the case, is a smoking turbo an early warning of a potential boom?

Great question, not sure on the answer. I would head into the other thread with the blown motor title and ask around a bit.

[Meder]

This is shit, I have already limited my mods on this car. I can not afford to have any warranty or motor issues.

What are we safe with? As of now I have plans for fmic/rp/intake/ conservative tune. Am I ok without wi injection? I wanted to run wi injection, but I dont want any trouble from the sealership if they have to crack open the motor one day for whatever reason.



My goal is a mid 13 second car tuned safely with a few easy to remove bolt ons.

[ptperformance]

Originally Posted by Meder This is shit, I have already limited my mods on this car. I can not afford to have any warranty or motor issues. What are we safe with? As of now I have plans for fmic/rp/intake/ conservative tune. Am I ok without wi injection? I wanted to run wi injection, but I dont want any trouble from the sealership if they have to crack open the motor one day for whatever reason. My goal is a mid 13 second car tuned safely with a few easy to remove bolt ons.

Easy to remove bolt-on's.... I wish. I would get WI and install it in a somewhat hidden place. The WI will be worth more protection wise then not running with it. The Cobb AP also seems to be keeping motors happy as well so I would look at for a possilbe tuning solution. 13 second car will be easy, just make sure you have mounts on the list of bolt-on's to keep the trans side from taking a $5k drop on you. Hope this helps.

[Meder]

Well, what I am saying is, I want to be able to remove the mods on the car without too much trouble. I was going to add meth on the fmic piping, but it seems like the dealer may simply claim i ran some sort of injection based off of how the engine looks on the inside. Mounts are on the list.

[fbpem1]

very imformative post a look inside these motors, my only problem with the whole thing would be running meth i don't like it, i think there should be a tuning solution and people smart enough to run the car a bit more conservitvly and not have a dyno queen, have a car that runs great, and consistant, i see no problem doing this as time progresses, meth is a band aid in my opinion and i have never and will never run it. All of you can take this for what it is since i a "nobody" thats just my opinion. A GOOD tuning solution needs to be figured out for these cars, post motor build, now building the motor always a good idea i want 500whp no meth all turbo thats my goal and i think its very attainable, once the kinks are worked out with the fuel system and getting more fuel delievery. My point being its still a combustion engine all the same theorys apply, just work past the downfalls of this motor which it seems is being taken care of in a timely manner.

Thank you for this post John, i appreciate it when i blow my motor i will tear it down myself i am not bitching at mazda for a warranty as i do not care i bought a toy.

As for the guy asking if mazda sends back every motor for inspection not true they only do it for what they want to, like if two motors blew and are very close in VIN they will call for both of those back, its kinda wierd, all manufacuers are the same in that aspect, its all random what they call back for, unless its the first time something is done or very few of said item has been done they will want that back.

[Addikted To Boost]

Originally Posted by fbpem1 very imformative post a look inside these motors, my only problem with the whole thing would be running meth i don't like it, i think there should be a tuning solution and people smart enough to run the car a bit more conservitvly and not have a dyno queen, have a car that runs great, and consistant, i see no problem doing this as time progresses, meth is a band aid in my opinion and i have never and will never run it. All of you can take this for what it is since i a "nobody" thats just my opinion. A GOOD tuning solution needs to be figured out for these cars, post motor build, now building the motor always a good idea i want 500whp no meth all turbo thats my goal and i think its very attainable, once the kinks are worked out with the fuel system and getting more fuel delievery. My point being its still a combustion engine all the same theorys apply, just work past the downfalls of this motor which it seems is being taken care of in a timely manner. Thank you for this post John, i appreciate it when i blow my motor i will tear it down myself i am not bitching at mazda for a warranty as i do not care i bought a toy. As for the guy asking if mazda sends back every motor for inspection not true they only do it for what they want to, like if two motors blew and are very close in VIN they will call for both of those back, its kinda wierd, all manufacuers are the same in that aspect, its all random what they call back for, unless its the first time something is done or very few of said item has been done they will want that back.

these motors were designed to run at the stock level and be perfectly fine, even though we are finding out that even some of the stock motors are being subjected to too much heat....once we start modding the hell out of them heat levels shoot sky high and fine mist of water/methanol injected into the motor is an excellent way to cool things down (especially inside the combustion chamber) as well as keep them clean since we now know how dirty these engines get. This is why no one who has a meth injection system on a speed has popped yet (that i have heard of).

[fbpem1]

thats all fine and dandy yes but its a band aid as i stated, there will be no meth/water injection on my car i assure you that =P its in the tune and combustion chamber design get those worked out your fine.

As this thread only addresses motor not tune from what i have peruzed though. Fix the motor fix the tune, your fine. As i said its a combustion engine same properties apply as to anything else.

[oskinosmee]

Originally Posted by fbpem1 thats all fine and dandy yes but its a band aid as i stated, there will be no meth/water injection on my car i assure you that =P its in the tune and combustion chamber design get those worked out your fine. As this thread only addresses motor not tune from what i have peruzed though. Fix the motor fix the tune, your fine. As i said its a combustion engine same properties apply as to anything else.

To each is own

[ptperformance]

Originally Posted by Lex I am quite interested in this meth kit group buy. When will it be up?

Its up and the site PT-Performance.com has the sale price's listed. Look under fuel delivery in the MS3 section and you will se the WI kits in there.

[ptperformance]

Originally Posted by fbpem1 very imformative post a look inside these motors, my only problem with the whole thing would be running meth i don't like it, i think there should be a tuning solution and people smart enough to run the car a bit more conservitvly and not have a dyno queen, have a car that runs great, and consistant, i see no problem doing this as time progresses, meth is a band aid in my opinion and i have never and will never run it. All of you can take this for what it is since i a "nobody" thats just my opinion. A GOOD tuning solution needs to be figured out for these cars, post motor build, now building the motor always a good idea i want 500whp no meth all turbo thats my goal and i think its very attainable, once the kinks are worked out with the fuel system and getting more fuel delievery. My point being its still a combustion engine all the same theorys apply, just work past the downfalls of this motor which it seems is being taken care of in a timely manner. Thank you for this post John, i appreciate it when i blow my motor i will tear it down myself i am not bitching at mazda for a warranty as i do not care i bought a toy. As for the guy asking if mazda sends back every motor for inspection not true they only do it for what they want to, like if two motors blew and are very close in VIN they will call for both of those back, its kinda wierd, all manufacuers are the same in that aspect, its all random what they call back for, unless its the first time something is done or very few of said item has been done they will want that back.

I am with you 100% on meth being a bandaid. A true tunning solution or EMS would be a cure for making these cars survive (with the proper hard parts) for sure. The biggest problem with this whole idea.... the limits of the parts that came from the factory. You would have to admit that we are not working with the best parts or design that Mazda gave us. Any protection you can add to the motor like water injection is only going to make the parts work all that better. The water injection adds a bit of safety to those that don't want to "build" or go "forged" with there set ups. This would be mostly stock turbo guys or SST owners.

The downfall's of the motor I will be addressing here very soon. I will post pictures and offer up what we have found with this design "flaw" (we feel it's a flaw so please don't flame us). I can tell you that its very aggressive and will drop the compression ratio a good amount (full point) but from the results that we have seen, we have yet to see it affect power or daily driving.

Thanks for the comments they are appreciated more then you know. This is a pay to play market and as we have all found out..... it gets expensive. I am trying to drop that expense so we can stick with the stock block, rods, and pistons by either running water injection (easy way that has been proven to help) or the machine work we are doing to the cly head (which I will be posting pictures of here very soon). Trust me, both will save the motor from going boom if you are being logical about your power applications. More or less don't expect the WI or our cly head fix to allow your car to run 30 psi on a big turbo kit.... we would all get a good laugh about that.

With all that said, thanks guys for the great response to the post. I will keep on keeping on and post more and more as we get further into the problems with this motor. Stay tuned because we have some crazy products coming out that are going to be a huge help for the motor.

[ptperformance]

Originally Posted by Addikted To Boost these motors were designed to run at the stock level and be perfectly fine, even though we are finding out that even some of the stock motors are being subjected to too much heat....once we start modding the hell out of them heat levels shoot sky high and fine mist of water/methanol injected into the motor is an excellent way to cool things down (especially inside the combustion chamber) as well as keep them clean since we now know how dirty these engines get. This is why no one who has a meth injection system on a speed has popped yet (that i have heard of).

I forgot all about that. Since we have no fuel to clean the runners up in the cly head due to the poor crank case evacuation system the water injection serves a huge purpose for all DI motors. Thanks for the reminder on that.