BIG TURBO Questions!

[thatsmrgimp2u]

I still have some confusion as to whether or not the gtx series will fit the cp-e downpipe ive got.

My goal is to hit 400+ whp, reliably, with minimal clutter inside the car. Next mods on the list are a PNP intake mani.... well thats it after that i want to get a BT, turbo manifold, and larger intake. I just don't want to have gauges everywhere inside my car. I have my ap mounted so i can do some monitoring with that, im not opposed to a dashhawk either. My car looks bone stock aside from my ap and mounted radar detector, i would really like to remain the somewhat sleeper status. Also, im not a tuner, i will hit up the perm guys again when i go BT, do i really NEED an ewg? I can see shelling out some cash for the ebcs but i really am not that familiar with how much of a difference going to a larger ewg would make.

One more thing, still have the stock exhaust. I know its not restricting me much now but do i def need to upgrade it if im looking for 400?

I want all this to happen pretty soon, getting a second pt job for a car fund, lol.

Once i get my intake manifold ill be hitting you up to get started. Can you pm me an idea of what all I can buy from you and a ballpark on what the cost will be?


Thanks in advance!

[EdgeAutosport.com]

@thatsmrgimp2u Your cpe dp will work 100% with a gtx series turbo. Now if you decide to get a ewg hotside with it you will need a low profile 90* to get it to fit without problems. As far as making 400 with the stock manifold you will have no problems doing that with about 22-24psi.

You can make that power on an iwg setup.

IMO an aftermarket exhaust will definitely help you to get to 400 but I think its very doable on the stocker. e85 also would help or meth

[JP@edgeautosport.com]

Originally Posted by thatsmrgimp2u do i really NEED an ewg? I can see shelling out some cash for the ebcs but i really am not that familiar with how much of a difference going to a larger ewg would make.

Could be a little bit of confusion here, maybe I'm wrong. EBCS and EWG are different parts altogether. There is no "larger" version of either of these. Well there's a larger EWG than the 38mm Tial Wastegate but in this case that's your only option as far as size of the wastegate.

EBCS (electronic boost control solenoid) regulates your boost levels and boost control. EWG (external wastegate) is a different type of wastegate setup than IWG (internal wastegate). The Bolt-on ATP Kits are all IWG. The EWG kit we sell on the website is what Eric is telling you about. It reuses the same type of downpipe that a stock turbo uses but moves the wastegate to the outside of the turbo.

I think you were asking if you NEED to go EWG to get what you want? The answer is no and if you are trying to keep things as close to stock as possible, you should go with IWG bolt on kit. The EWG is loud and a totally different setup than stock.

Maybe you already knew this, just wanted to make sure you were clear. Ask any other questions you have.

[EL F00LI0]

Originally Posted by eric@edgeautosport The other problem that you run into when the manifold does that is it makes it really difficult to put the tip on as there are two coolant hard lines that get in the way. You will either have to bend them/modify them with soft lines (whichever you choose) or just get the cpe big tip and thank silicon for being very soft and flexible and it may even become your best friend after that install.

I've got a 3" tip, you think that will be a problem?


Also @rfinkle, my previous name was michaelallaire7

Tapatalka

[EdgeAutosport.com]

Originally Posted by EL F00LI0 I've got a 3" tip, you think that will be a problem? Also @rfinkle, my previous name was michaelallaire7 Tapatalka

no just make sure and give it some extra love and by love I mean some special man caressing

[m249saw]

Originally Posted by rfinkle2 @m249saw @ your service my peeps. Stock Fitment 3 Bar Map Sensor Upgrade There is also a few good posts concerning the 3 bar upgrade towards the end of this thread: E85 Discussion - HPFP lubrication and Flow issues

My hero

Originally Posted by eric@edgeautosport dont forget man i'm still very willing to fly out to help with the install free of charge.

How abouts coming to sunny Florida

[thatsmrgimp2u]

I didn't have the two confused but being that both give you better control of your boost, I mentioned then in the same phrase. Both of you answered my question though. Thanks

[EdgeAutosport.com]

@m249saw I havent been to Florida since I was 8 and would love to go again!


count me in

[m249saw]

Sweet!

Im dragging my ass preparing for BT though. I had planned to to the TB TIG, EGR Delete, OCC and PMM and TMM today.

I did the PMM and Im on the couch playing Battlefield 3 for the rest of the day

Even called out sick to the fire department to get stuff done. Oh well. 2012 seems like a good year to install stuff.

[JP@edgeautosport.com]

Originally Posted by m249saw Sweet! Im dragging my ass preparing for BT though. I had planned to to the TB TIG, EGR Delete, OCC and PMM and TMM today. I did the PMM and Im on the couch playing Battlefield 3 for the rest of the day Even called out sick to the fire department to get stuff done. Oh well. 2012 seems like a good year to install stuff.

Hahaha awesome. Has any install gone exactly how anyone intended...ever? Never seems to go exactly how you want does it?

[86AmishMs3]

Originally Posted by EL F00LI0 I've got a 3" tip, you think that will be a problem? Also @rfinkle, my previous name was michaelallaire7 Tapatalka

For my 3" tip I extended the heater coolant line a couple inches.

[EL F00LI0]

Originally Posted by 86azms3 For my 3" tip I extended the heater coolant line a couple inches.

I forgot to mention the turbo I'm going to be using is a journal bearing so I won't be using the coolant lines, ill be routing them together.

Tapatalka

[EdgeAutosport.com]

Originally Posted by EL F00LI0 I forgot to mention the turbo I'm going to be using is a journal bearing so I won't be using the coolant lines, ill be routing them together. Tapatalka

I think the next turbo I slap on will be journal also.

[86AmishMs3]

Originally Posted by EL F00LI0 I forgot to mention the turbo I'm going to be using is a journal bearing so I won't be using the coolant lines, ill be routing them together. Tapatalka

No i'm talking about the heater line that goes right by the tip. You'll need some 5/8" heater house and a 5/8" hose mender so that you have enough room.

[EdgeAutosport.com]

Originally Posted by 86azms3 No i'm talking about the heater line that goes right by the tip. You'll need some 5/8" heater house and a 5/8" hose mender so that you have enough room.

Are you talking about those two hard lines that run in front of the turbo?

[86AmishMs3]

Originally Posted by eric@edgeautosport Are you talking about those two hard lines that run in front of the turbo?

its the one big coolant line that runs in front of the turbo that goes into the block'ish area.

[EL F00LI0]

I know what you are talking about, Ive seen the lines during the tip install. I can see where those would be a problem lol.

[EdgeAutosport.com]

Originally Posted by 86azms3 its the one big coolant line that runs in front of the turbo that goes into the block'ish area.

yup exactly. I have one of those lines go over my tip and one go under it.

[86AmishMs3]

I'm falling in love with big turbos. The spool on this gt3076 is soooo much better then I would have thought. Easily starts boosting below 3000rpms. Such an easy install, a couple headaches a long the way. Cheap, easy, and reliable power.

[EdgeAutosport.com]

Originally Posted by 86azms3 I'm falling in love with big turbos. The spool on this gt3076 is soooo much better then I would have thought. Easily starts boosting below 3000rpms. Such an easy install, a couple headaches a long the way. Cheap, easy, and reliable power.

I try telling people that they will kick themselves in the ass for staying with the stock k04 for so long. BT is the best mod on this car hands down.

[86AmishMs3]

Originally Posted by eric@edgeautosport I try telling people that they will kick themselves in the ass for staying with the stock k04 for so long. BT is the best mod on this car hands down.

Yeah can't wait to get this thing dialed in. At 15psi and it feels awesome.

[EdgeAutosport.com]

over 22psi that turbo starts to really wake up.

[EL F00LI0]

Can you guys pm me a price for a bolt on gt2871r and a bolt on gtx3071r? I'm considering selling my pte and getting a simple bolt on turbo.

Tapatalka

[86AmishMs3]

Originally Posted by EL F00LI0 Can you guys pm me a price for a bolt on gt2871r and a bolt on gtx3071r? I'm considering selling my pte and getting a simple bolt on turbo. Tapatalka

Dont get a 2871. That's lame. Go big or go home. The spool on this 3076 is awesome, wouldn't have thought it but pretty dang good. At least do a 3071

[EdgeAutosport.com]

Originally Posted by EL F00LI0 Can you guys pm me a price for a bolt on gt2871r and a bolt on gtx3071r? I'm considering selling my pte and getting a simple bolt on turbo. Tapatalka

yes sir I will get right on it.

Originally Posted by 86azms3 Dont get a 2871. That's lame. Go big or go home. The spool on this 3076 is awesome, wouldn't have thought it but pretty dang good. At least do a 3071

@EL F00LI0


My advice is go with something a little bigger so you have the option of more power down the road. If you are looking for a solid 350whp then stick with the 28 series turbo.

[m249saw]

So is the 2871 even considered a BT for our car? You said earlier that it was designed for smaller (ie: 2.0L and below) engines.

Also someone in the last couple pages was looking for a direct replacement for a blown K04, what was your recommendation to that?

[EL F00LI0]

I think a gtx2871 would be badass. Too bad there currently isn't one available :/

Tapatalka

[SarcasticOne]

as there is a GTX2867R available, (showing my lack or turbo knowledge here...) wouldnt you be able to swap it out for a 71 hotside?

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[EL F00LI0]

Hmmm if that would work, I'm going to be running that turbo soon lol

Tapatalka

[JP@edgeautosport.com]

Originally Posted by m249saw So is the 2871 even considered a BT for our car? You said earlier that it was designed for smaller (ie: 2.0L and below) engines. Also someone in the last couple pages was looking for a direct replacement for a blown K04, what was your recommendation to that?

I would consider it a big turbo. People have got 400whp out of a 2871. I don't think it's happened on the Mazdaspeed 3/6 yet because nobody seems to have tried too hard but it's possible. Anything bigger than the stock turbo is "going big turbo" if you ask me.

Originally Posted by SarcasticOne as there is a GTX2867R available, (showing my lack or turbo knowledge here...) wouldnt you be able to swap it out for a 71 hotside? ATP TURBO - The Premiere Provider of Turbocharging Components

Unfortunately no. I've done a lot of poking around with ATP on what you can and can't do. The GTX xx71 turbos only come in the 30R series. The 28R series have smaller turbine wheels and they only mate them with the regular GT style 71 compressor wheels. So it's really more complicated than that. In theory you'd think they are all plug and play but it's really not like that. Bottom line is Garrett has to come out with a GTX2871 and then ATP would then have the choice of putting their 28R Mazda flanged turbine housing on it. But Garrett just doesn't make that turbo right now. Hopefully they make it soon. I think it would fill a big void in the Mazdaspeed market. I would imagine we'll see it at some point but I really don't know.

[dantes5823]

My question on EWG is, where does the pipe off the ewg go to? Im probably going gtx3071r in the summer and wanna go ewg. Debating if i wanna go hotside or on the manifold still. I know you can run a wastegate to dump to atmosphere, otherwise not sure if its like a dump pipe to dp and have someone weld it on there. If someone could point my bt noob self to thread that discusses wastegates that would be awesome.

Could @eric@edgeautosport or @JP@edgeautosport.com pm me a quote for a ewg on hotside with stock mani including everything and a quote for steedspeed with ewg on the gtx3071r

[EdgeAutosport.com]

Originally Posted by m249saw Also someone in the last couple pages was looking for a direct replacement for a blown K04, what was your recommendation to that?

A direct replacement for the k04 would be anything really. These atp drop ins are just like replacing a k04 really. If any of you want when you install I can give you my personal cell to call me with any questions you may have when doing install.

I will admit I was a little lost when doing my first swap but once you get going on it, its actually a ton of fun if you enjoy wrenching on cars.

Originally Posted by dantes5823 Could @eric@edgeautosport or @JP@edgeautosport.com pm me a quote for a ewg on hotside with stock mani including everything and a quote for steedspeed with ewg on the gtx3071r

Pming now

[JP@edgeautosport.com]

Originally Posted by dantes5823 My question on EWG is, where does the pipe off the ewg go to?

Eric do you have any pictures or anything of your old setup? It dumps right below the turbo around the power steering lines but I don't know exactly where it's pointed. You can move it around as necessary and even if you don't need one of the 90* elbows to fit the downpipe, you might want to get one anyway to have more flexibility of where you can point the dump tube.

Here are the elbows I'm talking about. You attach one of these to the actual turbine housing EWG inlet and the the wastegate attaches to the other side. We thought of this originally for clearing the CPE style downpipe but you can also use them to just reroute or move the dump pipe to a slightly different exit location.

[EdgeAutosport.com]

@dantes5823

The ewg dump pipe directly points to your front frame area right next to your cv boot and right past the ac lines on the bottom side of the firewall. If you wanted you could have someone custom fab it and re-route it into your dp but that would be fairly expensive and over more of a hassle.

The clearance of the dump pipe is acutally really awesome and most of the exhaust gases are pushed out from the bottom of the car but some do get on the frame. You cant really tell because the frame is black anyways. I do have pictures of my old setup but none that show where my dump tube is going.

[dantes5823]

And this is why i will conduct business with yall in the future. Thanks guys.

[EdgeAutosport.com]

Originally Posted by dantes5823 And this is why i will conduct business with yall in the future. Thanks guys.

no problem man let me know if you have any other questions!

[Celestspeed3]

Originally Posted by eric@edgeautosport So I just called and spoke with a lady at ATP and she said the hotsides for mazda were all .72ar also.

Were they always a .72 AR turbine or did they change them? if they did change them do we have an idea of when?

[EdgeAutosport.com]

Originally Posted by Celestspeed3 Were they always a .72 AR turbine or did they change them? if they did change them do we have an idea of when?

personally I still think they are a .55 hotside. Im going to measure one to really find out. I will update this thread.

[86AmishMs3]

Originally Posted by eric@edgeautosport personally I still think they are a .55 hotside. Im going to measure one to really find out. I will update this thread.

Do eet! But they do seem bigger then a .55 though. But I don't know.

[EdgeAutosport.com]

Originally Posted by 86azms3 Do eet! But they do seem bigger then a .55 though. But I don't know.

compared to my t3 it doesnt seem very big lol