Joe's Monster Gen2 Build

[MS33SM]

Originally Posted by rfinkle2 I see the above as a last resort.

A last resort to avoid turning this thread into a finkle loves finkle fest. I know when it come to cars and tuning your the guy to see, such immense knowledge. /saracasm

At least I'm giving the brownie and edge motivation to hit 400hp. You're just shitting on this thread.

Originally Posted by 16-driver You're left handed? Just curious because of the placing of the knife and fork.

Why good sir, proper etiquette dictates that you use a knife with your dominate hand and the fork goes in your other hand.

[rfinkle2]

Originally Posted by falconexe Freaken Funny! Yeah, there is... CP-E DownPipe. We are holding off on revealing the entire mod list for now.

Originally Posted by doubleflusher 10k? On what? I see maybe 4-5k in parts.

You may have missed this.

[MS33SM]

Originally Posted by rfinkle2 You may have missed this.

God damn it.

Withholding the part list like it's something special is ridiculous. They're all bolt on parts. Nothing will be surprising.

No exhaust mani = fail

This build is nothing special. It's a dude dropping 10k on bolt on parts.

Did I mention this is nothing special?????

For fucks sake Finkle.

[rfinkle2]

Originally Posted by MS33SM God damn it. Withholding the part list like it's something special is ridiculous. They're all bolt on parts. Nothing will be surprising. No exhaust mani = fail This build is nothing special. It's a dude dropping 10k on bolt on parts. Did I mention this is nothing special????? For fucks sake Finkle.

His fail > than our cars.

[MS33SM]

Originally Posted by rfinkle2 His fail > than our cars.

Ok well I'll let you be humbled by it while I lol.

[sellers]

unreal.

[doubleflusher]

Originally Posted by rfinkle2 His fail > than our cars.

au contraire

[16-driver]

Originally Posted by doubleflusher au contraire

Googled.

[MS33SM]

Actually if the dyno used for this is the same one on Edge's facebook page I may have to eat my works. 242whp/293tq as a baseline dyno. lol

[doubleflusher]

dyno's with correction factors aren't real.

[aaronc7]

+1

Nice Wheels!!

[EvilMonkey]

This seems like someone just bought a shit load of bolt-on parts hoping to make 400whp. Instead of taking their time feeling the change of each part as the car progresses. Isn't that the whole fun of this hobby? Why just slap a whole bunch of shit on the car all at once? There really isn't anything special about this. A shiny turbo and a Cp-e FMIC...big fucking deal. Do some research on how these cars make power.

[thehead]

Originally Posted by MS33SM Why good sir, proper etiquette dictates that you use a knife with your dominate hand and the fork goes in your other hand.

Damit, I've been doing it wrong all this time.

[Special--k]

Originally Posted by EvilMonkey This seems like someone just bought a shit load of bolt-on parts hoping to make 400whp. Instead of taking their time feeling the change of each part as the car progresses. Isn't that the whole fun of this hobby? Why just slap a whole bunch of shit on the car all at once? There really isn't anything special about this. A shiny turbo and a Cp-e FMIC...big fucking deal. Do some research on how these cars make power.

I agree, i think that with a safe turn the car is going to run nice. But there will be untapped potential becuase the exh mani. He did say that over the next year more parts will be going into the car, and the 10k was just the first stage. So i guess we will have to see. Numbers on a dyno are always fucked so who cares. Lets see some 1/4 times

did you get a driver Mod with your 10k?

The only thing i would have done different is donate, then talk to people on here that have done it and take their advice. Got to love dougfresh's twin scroll build... thats the way i would have gone.

[JP@edgeautosport.com]

What's up boys (and any girls)?! This thread reminds me of some recent events in a place called Vancouver lol. We're not shooting for the stars with this build and we know there are better and more efficient ways of making power with this car but we'll see how it ends up after this weekend. This dyno is most definitely generous though.

[802MS3]

can you guys shut the fuck up and let this build progress. jesus christ.

oh and @spnkr21 has the genwon cpe-e fmic with a 3071 (gone now) @ 24psi. did just fine assholes.

[08.5MS3]

Originally Posted by MS33SM What is this brownie gonna do when his mach 3 build only hits mach 2?

Haha, the made me crack up.

[djuosnteisn]

Wilks and i made over 400 uncorrected at 5500 ft elev on an ATP 0.55 a/r 3076 and water injection.





So, jussayin.... 400 really isn't that cool anymore. And certainly feasible. It definitely was the abs max for his turbo though. A single scroll t3 with bigger a/r would have made much more power IMO.


Elevation makes the pressure ratio's very high, so you need to get a turbo that's happy at a very high boost level. >25 psi. Preferably 30.

[rfinkle2]

Originally Posted by doubleflusher au contraire

I was referring to stock turbo cars.

Best of luck on your build double... btw.

[djuosnteisn]

Bleh, just realized i didn't really read any of this thread. I don't care though......

[rfinkle2]

Originally Posted by djuosnteisn Bleh, just realized i didn't really read any of this thread. I don't care though......

I know that you wouldn't want to get involved but in summary, JP @ edge has a customer doing a build.

Everyone shit on the build, I tried to keep JP from having a business image tarnished and here we are.

[djuosnteisn]

I don't want to get involved.

JP, GL. If you have any questions, or want any advice, pm me.

[Ckmazdaspeed3]

God damn it, late to the party again!

I sense fail coming, and it has nothing to do with JP or how much power is put down. But when you go BT, and you have every thing done for you, you don't learn shit. Then stuff goes wrong, and you don't know what to do.

Almost every BT on here runs into problems from time to time, so unless OP has done a bunch of mods himself and research in the past, he will eventually get his couch fucked!.. NATOR is the only way to go BT!

And like was already said, 10k, and no donation... GTFO!

[jwilkins88]

This won't make 400...

It might with a very happy correction factor, but unless you plan on running about 27 psi with that 3071 and a shit load of timing without meth, you're not going to come close.

Oh, btw... I spent about 5k to get fully bolted with an ATP 3076, exhaust manifold, external wastegate, and meth setup, and wheels with drag radials.

I don't know how much all this shit is retail, but it doesn't sound like you got that great of a deal, and saying stupid shit like "No car will be able to touch mine for 32k" is stupid. My car would have raped yours for about 24k

Edit: Also, don't race any turbo Cobalts... You will be severely disappointed

[aaronc7]

10k in a miata would rape it too!!

[jhershorin]

"No car will be able to touch mine for 32k"...really?

go look how much a 2007 n54 135/335 costs...add 700 for tune...300 for meth...100 for intakes...and watch it run 118mph traps...add 700 for two dr and two wheels and watch it go 11.6

go look at a turbo cobalt. spend 5k in mods and watch for those little 2800lb fuckers

there are two very different examples

[bewsted]

In b4 massive crash due to someone not being able to drive the car they are paying to have modded by someone else.

Originally Posted by jhershorin "No car will be able to touch mine for 32k"...really? go look how much a 2007 n54 135/335 costs...add 700 for tune...300 for meth...100 for intakes...and watch it run 118mph traps...add 700 for two dr and two wheels and watch it go 11.6 go look at a turbo cobalt. spend 5k in mods and watch for those little 2800lb fuckers there are two very different examples

I know someone around here that likes to race stock turbo cobalts.......

[Speed3eak]

If you want as fast as possible for as cheap as possible:

Locost

[Special--k]

And a good job you did. Now to see if he can pull 400who out of this thing. And that's without the decals adding 25HP.

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[Fatguy729]

Well, all bullshit aside, what's up with the car?

[aaronc7]

its a secret

[jwilkins88]

Yes... They don't want to reveal the mod list... Because Mach 3 is top secret shit... It's gonna revolutionize the mazdaspeed market, and they can't afford to have people copying them.

[JP@edgeautosport.com]

Hey guys! Well we can't complain much about our results. 385whp and 415wtq on a DynoJet. We targeted 20psi and somewhat expectedly we have a little bit of creep but it's more of a quick spike for sure. It'll reach about 21.5 briefly and taper off to be more consistent through to redline. Car is actually doing slightly less boost because of our air but we'll be datalogging this week and seeing how the car is really acting. There's definitely more motor left to tap into but Joe was pretty happy where we were at so we're going to see how he likes it and make adjustments later if he wants. Car is definitely quick though and if we did apples to apples, it's an increase of 143whp compared to our completely stock baseline in our Gen1 on the same dyno.

Of course, the true test as mentioned earlier by someone in this thread will really be at the quarter mile. Unfortunately, the air is even worse at the track at 5800ft. There's no doubt the car has another 2-3 seconds to gain the way it is now so we'll see.

All the fitment of the parts was great. We had to use a 3" aluminum pipe and short silicone connector to connect the MAF to the BT inlet from CPE because the silicone piece was a little too stretched and didn't seem like a great way to go. We took pictures of that if you want to check it out. We'll post up this week. Joe has all the video and pics and dyno graphs so we'll get em up this week.

Here's what's on the car. I might be forgetting some minor things but this is the bulk of it.

CPE Xcel Nano Intake
CPE Big Turbo Inlet Pipe
CPE Front Mount Intercooler
CPE Downpipe catted
CPE HPFP
Ultimate Racing CBE
ATP Turbo GT3071R bolt on turbo kit w/ Internal Wastegate
Hallman MBC (Manual Boost Contoller)
Cobb AP tuned locally
CPE Rear Motor Mount 75A Bushing
HKS BOV Recirculated
NGK Spark Plugs LTR7IX-11 one step colder than stock iridiums
JBarone Short Shift Plate, Bushings, and Shift Knob

Thanks guys!

(Dyno sheet on Pg 4)

[Tokay444]

A stock gen 1 posted a 242 whp? That IS a happy dyno.

[aaronc7]

eh, thats pretty standard for a dynojet. also, says they're in denver, so i assume that is corrected?

[ganque]

moar pics please

[08.5MS3]

Definitely don't see $10,000 in mods, but good numbers none-the-less.

Any reasoning as to not go with an EBC, such as Grimmspeed?


Tapawhat?

[rfinkle2]

I'd say there was probably @ least $500 in labor also.

[JP@edgeautosport.com]

Originally Posted by aaronc7 semi gay now eh, thats pretty standard for a dynojet. also, says they're in denver, so i assume that is corrected?

Originally Posted by 08.5MS3 Definitely don't see $10,000 in mods, but good numbers none-the-less. Any reasoning as to not go with a EBC, such as Grimmspeed?

I know you Nator guys don't like to hear this but the work was done at a shop so that was included in the 10k. He planned the build with the shop before we talked about parts. I would have helped him but no big deal. I don't know why 10k was mentioned in the first place because it doesn't really matter. Numbers are corrected as they always will be with any numbers I post up. We didn't have an EBC handy is really the main thing. At one point I meant to mention an EBC and I think we just spaced it so we used a MBC at the last minute. Worked really well anyway so we'll keep it.

[memoriesmazda]

Cant wait to see some pic and vids of the build and dyno, maybe even some 1/4 runs?