Papasmurf Round #2

[Easter Bunny]

Originally Posted by PapaSmurf It def happened at the track, after my last pass I noticed the occ had ejaculated everywhere. Every pull I did after that filled up my catch can in one pull, meaning one 3-4 pull on the street. Sent from your girlfriends tapabedroom

At least it died an honorable death

[PapaSmurf]

Originally Posted by Easter Bunny At least it died an honorable death

I could of kept driving it, it still pulled nice... Just ejaculated to much oil lol


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[Outlaw4shrt]

Originally Posted by PapaSmurf Now as far as the scratching on the pistons, has anyone seen this before and what could be the cause or is the cause? Ive never seen it, but then again this is my first motor I have ever built. Maybe because the pistons where hitting the squirters it caused the scratching?

bearing material or some other foreign material between the pistons and the cylinder walls

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[Easter Bunny]

Originally Posted by PapaSmurf I could of kept driving it, it still pulled nice... Just ejaculated to much oil lol Sent from your girlfriends tapabedroom

Still better than the way the last motor went...........

[jmhinkle]

Did you check the rods for circular marks from the squirters?

[PapaSmurf]

Originally Posted by jmhinkle Did you check the rods for circular marks from the squirters?

Yes, can't find anything noticeable.


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[PapaSmurf]

Originally Posted by jmhinkle Did you check the rods for circular marks from the squirters?

I lied




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[timjs]

Wow. That's not even subtle.

[PapaSmurf]

Originally Posted by timjs Wow. That's not even subtle.

Actually hard to see, took me a couple look overs. I got the light just right on the picture so it seems like it is unnoticeable. Hardly any martial gone.

You can barely feel it when you run your finger on it.

It was cylinder 1 rod btw.

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[jmhinkle]

All the squirters were shaved though right?

[Tokay444]

Nice call Joel.

[PapaSmurf]

Originally Posted by jmhinkle All the squirters were shaved though right?

Yes but cylinder 1 more then any other, I can't find any other marks like the one shown and I'm sure they would all be in or around the same spot on each rod.


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[jmhinkle]

Weird, I would think there would be something more noticeable on each one since they were all hitting.

[PapaSmurf]

Originally Posted by jmhinkle Weird, I would think there would be something more noticeable on each one since they were all hitting.

ya I would too, im going to triple check again tonight when I get home from work.. I actually just sold the rods for $150.


I want to get some of your guys opinions. I am up in the air if I want to get the Manley I beam rods of H beam rods. Do you think the H Beam rods would hold up to the kind of power im going to try and make, or should I just get the strong I beams. Obviously they will have the 625+ rod bolts.

[Easter Bunny]

If the price difference isn't too great I would suggest erroring on the side of overbuilt.

[PapaSmurf]

Everything I have read on other platforms with the H-Beams is dont go over 500whp. So unless anyone else has any other information ill go with the I beams.

[atvfreek]

Originally Posted by PapaSmurf Everything I have read on other platforms with the H-Beams is dont go over 500whp. So unless anyone else has any other information ill go with the I beams.

Might as well just go with the i-beams, but I have no doubt that the H-beam+625 bolts will hold pretty much whatever you can throw at it. I beleive that is what Dave is running on his 6 at 700hp

[jmhinkle]

My limited knowledge on other platforms is that you get the same strength usually, but the I beams do it with less weight and more cost.

[atvfreek]

Here is a pic from Manleys PDF file. On a 4 cylinder application the H-beamn is rated for 600+ at the flywheel and H-beam+ is 800+ at the flywheel. So pretty stout

Then the turbo tuff I-beams are rated for over 1000 at the flywheel. Beast mode

[PapaSmurf]

Originally Posted by atvfreek Here is a pic from Manleys PDF file. On a 4 cylinder application the H-beamn is rated for 600+ at the flywheel and H-beam+ is 800+ at the flywheel. So pretty stout Then the turbo tuff I-beams are rated for over 1000 at the flywheel. Beast mode

ya I was just reading that.

I know for a fact the car will never make 1000+ lol

My thinking is, I am at altitude and even when I go down to sea level I do not think ill be touching 800+ fly wheel hp. I may be mistaken though? lol

Im going to see what the price difference is with my contact and then see if the extra cost is worth the extra strength.

[timjs]

Originally Posted by atvfreek Here is a pic from Manleys PDF file. On a 4 cylinder application the H-beamn is rated for 600+ at the flywheel and H-beam+ is 800+ at the flywheel. So pretty stout Then the turbo tuff I-beams are rated for over 1000 at the flywheel. Beast mode

Wait, so technically there's quite a few guys here that are going way over Manley's rating then?

That makes me feel not so cozy inside.

[PapaSmurf]

Originally Posted by timjs Wait, so technically there's quite a few guys here that are going way over Manley's rating then? That makes me feel not so cozy inside.

I mean who is running 600+ fly wheel on normal H beams or 800+ fly wheel on H beam+?

[atvfreek]

Originally Posted by timjs Wait, so technically there's quite a few guys here that are going way over Manley's rating then? That makes me feel not so cozy inside.

I think everyone is still well within the power ratings for the rods. There really isn't anybody that is over 600 on regular manleys.

Originally Posted by PapaSmurf ya I was just reading that. I know for a fact the car will never make 1000+ lol My thinking is, I am at altitude and even when I go down to sea level I do not think ill be touching 800+ fly wheel hp. I may be mistaken though? lol Im going to see what the price difference is with my contact and then see if the extra cost is worth the extra strength.

When I did the math for our stock fuel system plus 4 1000cc injectors for PI, it came to about 850 whp worth of fuel. So unless you were going to max out your fuel system, and make a bunch of near useless hp, I think you'll be good to go. lol

[Boosted Beluga]

But it's 850hp. It can't possibly be useless.

[atvfreek]

Originally Posted by Boosten Ya(josh) But it's 850hp. It can't possibly be "near" useless.

Fixed

[Realgib3]

Originally Posted by atvfreek I think everyone is still well within the power ratings for the rods. There really isn't anybody that is over 600 on regular manleys.

Originally Posted by PapaSmurf I mean who is running 600+ fly wheel on normal H beams or 800+ fly wheel on H beam+?

On k1's, not Manleys, but I'm >600 and the Manley's look a hell of a lot more beefy than the k1's.

With that said, I'll just be bighting the bullet and getting the turbo tuff I beams on my next build. You (Papasmurf) got the head to push some good rpm once it's available too, which the I-beams will be great for, so I'd probably say just go that way now for that reason too.

[PapaSmurf]

well this is what I decided on.

Manley H-Beam Plus Rods
CPe Stage 2 Pistons

Reason being on the rods, that extra $300 price tag at the moment is just not feasable and I need to get this car running ASAP.

Ordering today. Still waiting on an answer for sleeves from ERL and Kozmic. I do not think Kozmic is ever going to respond even though they stated they would "Help me out" haha.

Right now im leaning towards Benson Racing Engine sleeves.

[PapaSmurf]

My precious came in today.




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[btstarcher]

I just came.


At work. Awkward. People are staring.

[Smelson]

Originally Posted by PapaSmurf well this is what I decided on. Manley H-Beam Plus Rods CPe Stage 2 Pistons Reason being on the rods, that extra $300 price tag at the moment is just not feasable and I need to get this car running ASAP. Ordering today. Still waiting on an answer for sleeves from ERL and Kozmic. I do not think Kozmic is ever going to respond even though they stated they would "Help me out" haha. Right now im leaning towards Benson Racing Engine sleeves.

Try these guys for sleeves.

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[Realgib3]

One of the most beautiful compressor wheels in the world, that's for sure. Man I'm so pumped that somebody else is finally gonna be running this turbo.

[atvfreek]

All these precision builds The car scene isn't going to know what hit them this year!

[PapaSmurf]

Precision is the bomb, should of been the first turbo I ever went with.


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[Matrix311]

Which precision is that? 6466 or 6266?

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[Realgib3]

Originally Posted by Matrix311 Which precision is that? 6466 or 6266? Sent from my SCH-I535 using Tapatalk

6466, the 62 compressor wheel is much different looking.

[LumberJack]

Originally Posted by Realgib3 6466, the 62 compressor wheel is much different looking.

What looks so different? This is my 6266.

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[PapaSmurf]

The one I posted and he posted are 6466's, isn't the 6466 have the 7 blades on the intake side instead of 6? Or is that just the CEA's?


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[Realgib3]

Originally Posted by LumberJack What looks so different? This is my 6266. Sent from my LG-LS980 using Tapatalk

Wellll aside from different shaped blades than the 64... and having 6 blades instead of 7 on the 64...

[superskaterxes]

Originally Posted by PapaSmurf well this is what I decided on. Manley H-Beam Plus Rods CPe Stage 2 Pistons Reason being on the rods, that extra $300 price tag at the moment is just not feasable and I need to get this car running ASAP. Ordering today. Still waiting on an answer for sleeves from ERL and Kozmic. I do not think Kozmic is ever going to respond even though they stated they would "Help me out" haha. Right now im leaning towards Benson Racing Engine sleeves.

add up the price of your build and then add that extra $300 and tell me what % it comes out to be. Its different when your only shooting for 500whp but at the power levels your looking at with a built head, sleeves, ect, do you think its even remotely a good idea to cheap out now? I know your build is well above 6-7k already and thats a hard price tag to swallow if something happens over a measly $300. take it FWIW but this is coming from someone with alot of experience in this dept lol.

Dave certainly made 720whp on his H-beams but remember he doesent drive on that tune it was only for the dyno. It would suck if you were making 700+ (which you should be able to do no problem) and then have to always worry because you cheaped out on rods. Dont forget rod bolts dont increase the strength of the rod, they just keep it from stretching at higher RPM.....

[PapaSmurf]

ok well I have been debating/calling companies back and forth for a week now trying to decide on who I want to sleeve my block.

BIG thanks to @LumberJack;

Golden Eagle, HUGE name in the Honda community will be sleeving/Oring my block. Not only does their warranty shit on everyone else's, the pricing was GREAT!

Pretty much if the engine fails at all because of their sleeves, they replace anything and everything that was damaged.

Sleeving : Golden Eagle Manufacturing

Total cost for me is $1395 shipped, which included a military discount and holiday discount.

This includes Sleeves, Decking the block and orings with the copper inserts. Also return shipping, thats why I said shipped.

They also stated that everything is CNC'd so I dont need to send in my mains/girdle etc because there is no way for the align hone to be off.
again big thanks to Bryce.