865ms3's 5858 build

[coasttime]

Keep the build info coming. Your moving right along. She looks pretty. Are you going to upgrade your intake too? That just stood out in the pics to me. What Intercooler are you running, you might of already said just skimmed over your thread. Good luck with the build.

[865ms3]

Originally Posted by coasttime Keep the build info coming. Your moving right along. She looks pretty. Are you going to upgrade your intake too? That just stood out in the pics to me. What Intercooler are you running, you might of already said just skimmed over your thread. Good luck with the build.

Why would the intake need need upgraded? Its a 3.5. Won't max that out.

Tr8 intercooler.

[cshunter]

Originally Posted by 865ms3 Why would the intake need need upgraded? Its a 3.5. Won't max that out.

but that girth on the 4 inch tho...

[coasttime]

Originally Posted by 865ms3 Why would the intake need need upgraded? Its a 3.5. Won't max that out. Tr8 intercooler.

O shit I did not know it was 3.5 inch. LOL nice build.

[865ms3]

Swap starts tomorrow evening. will finish up hopefully friday. worst case early saturday. have the beast team coming in from Nator TN/KY.

Meth tank/lines are in....failsafe/gauges done. Having a hard time finding a bov that will work with my failsafe. Tial won't work...but the oem one does. More testing on that and pics tonight..

[NCspecV81]

@Lakespeed6; how did you wire your relay so that the ewg opens and not the bov?

[865ms3]

d day!

I get off work at 5pm. Plan to start tear down shortly after. Pics and go pro time lapse will be done.

[Lakespeed6]

Originally Posted by NCspecV81 @Lakespeed6; how did you wire your relay so that the ewg opens and not the bov?

EBCS is a normally open circuit, so +voltage to the EBCS holds it closed allowing more boost.

I used Bosch 0 332 209 203 because I was not 100% positive on the above so I have a SPDT Relay.

A SPST NC relay would work as well

I cut one of the wires going to the EBCS.
Attach 1 end to 87a and the other to 30.
Leave 87 open.
Attach 86 to a ign +12V.
Attach 85 to the failsafe trigger ground.

24 Volt DC 20 Amp Continuous Duty Relay Bosch Relay 0 332 209 203

Hope that help

[865ms3]

Originally Posted by Lakespeed6 EBCS is a normally open circuit, so +voltage to the EBCS holds it closed allowing more boost. I used Bosch 0 332 209 203 because I was not 100% positive on the above so I have a SPDT Relay. A SPST NC relay would work as well I cut one of the wires going to the EBCS. Attach 1 end to 87a and the other to 30. Leave 87 open. Attach 86 to a ign +12V. Attach 85 to the failsafe trigger ground. 24 Volt DC 20 Amp Continuous Duty Relay Bosch Relay 0 332 209 203 Hope that help

Attach 1 end to 87a and the other to 30.

this is what i did wrong. i added a splice in this line. ran it to 87a...made a seperate ground for the relay.. bet that was my issue. i was getting a low wastegate solenoid code.

i never claimed to be an electrical engineer.....or even NOT an idiot lol.

thanks guys!



@Lakespeed6;

did you cut one of the wires on the car side of the harness? (one 12v 1 ground) or the EBCS side (both have 12v on them)

[Lakespeed6]

Originally Posted by 865ms3 Attach 1 end to 87a and the other to 30. this is what i did wrong. i added a splice in this line. ran it to 87a...made a seperate ground for the relay.. bet that was my issue. i was getting a low wastegate solenoid code. i never claimed to be an electrical engineer.....or even NOT an idiot lol. thanks guys! @Lakespeed6; did you cut one of the wires on the car side of the harness? (one 12v 1 ground) or the EBCS side (both have 12v on them)

I cut on the EBCS side but it shouldn't matter it's just completing a circuit.

FYI when the failsafe triggers it will throw a code for low wastegate solenoid since in theory you are creating an open in the circuit.
It should only throw the code though when it triggers.

I was dicking around and wanted to test it a couple weeks ago by hitting the trigger off my laptop.
Cracking wastegates back to spring pressure ~375HP felt like hitting a wall.

Good luck let me know if you have any other questions.

[865ms3]

Originally Posted by Lakespeed6 I cut on the EBCS side but it shouldn't matter it's just completing a circuit. FYI when the failsafe triggers it will throw a code for low wastegate solenoid since in theory you are creating an open in the circuit. It should only throw the code though when it triggers. I was dicking around and wanted to test it a couple weeks ago by hitting the trigger off my laptop. Cracking wastegates back to spring pressure ~375HP felt like hitting a wall. Good luck let me know if you have any other questions.

yea i had a buddy testing it using a MAC valve the other day. wouldnt work with my tial bc of flow....but the stock BPV works fine. i went to boost and hit cut all of it....was weird.

wastegate control is my solution to keep my tial valve.

thanks for the help man.

[Lakespeed6]

Originally Posted by 865ms3 yea i had a buddy testing it using a MAC valve the other day. wouldnt work with my tial bc of flow....but the stock BPV works fine. i went to boost and hit cut all of it....was weird. wastegate control is my solution to keep my tial valve. thanks for the help man.

Strange that it didn't work with the tial. Preload on BPV too high?

I like the idea of it opening WG so the turbo isn't trying to spool harder to hit boost with the BPV open if the failsafe hits.

[865ms3]

Originally Posted by Lakespeed6 Strange that it didn't work with the tial. Preload on BPV too high? I like the idea of it opening WG so the turbo isn't trying to spool harder to hit boost with the BPV open if the failsafe hits.

yea. the MAC valve does not flow enough for the valve to work right...even not in failsafe condition.

1/4 line straight from intake manifold...to MAC...to BOV. got flutter. failsafe wouldnt even trigger the valve. threw the stock one on and it worked fine.

i think the WG trigger will be fine. with a 15psi spring and MAYBE a little creep even...the stock fuel system should keep up. with it throwing a code is kinda cool too so you can SEE it worked also.

[Lakespeed6]

Originally Posted by 865ms3 yea. the MAC valve does not flow enough for the valve to work right...even not in failsafe condition. 1/4 line straight from intake manifold...to MAC...to BOV. got flutter. failsafe wouldnt even trigger the valve. threw the stock on on and it worked fine. i think the WG trigger will be fine. with a 15psi spring and MAYBE a little creep even...the stock fuel system should keep up. with it throwing a code is kinda cool too so you can SEE it worked also.

Interesting.

I'm on 14.5psi springs on my EWGs (hitting 18psi) and was just at 104IDC but this turbo flows a ton.
You'll know when it works, trust me haha

[NCspecV81]

well I will be anticipating some good results. I don't want to lose my tial either. @865ms3;

[BigBoostMS3]

Thank you Lakespeed... We have been trying to wrap our heads around this for a couple weeks. We've come up with plenty of solutions that should work in theory, but finding the best option has proved difficult lol.

I want to keep my HKS valve and doing it with EWG control will allow that to happen!

[865ms3]

It works when the relay is wired correctly. Wooooooo!

Thanks guys

[865ms3]

More pictures coming soon...but swap done...and maiden 20 mile voyage in the books.

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[865ms3]

What a weekend.

Got it all swapped in and some miles on it. Down pipe is a little short ....so getting that fixed tomorrow. Had a coolant leak I hopefully fixed this morning. Time for break in miles!

i still have to change my valve cover. ive got one with 2 -10AN bungs welded to it. ill be running them to a vented can. that will be done sometime soon. MAYBE my JMF will be here sometime soon too lol. i was over it for the weekend and ready to relax.

thanks to all my local nator for the help this weekend.
@Travis; @BigBoostMS3; @bcmurphy87; @08cosmic3; @Macedawg;

you guys rock!


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[08cosmic3]

Always a good time at Headquarters in Knoxville. Wating to see the 500+ whp dyno pulls.

[senor blanco ms3]

Very nice!!

[Putin 2.3T]

I approve.

Where do you guys get those small little covers teh valve cover? Pretty cool.

[865ms3]

Originally Posted by Putin 2.3T I approve. Where do you guys get those small little covers teh valve cover? Pretty cool.

Rd motorsportz. Fuel pump cover and tuck harness.

[865ms3]

This arrived today as well....

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[865ms3]

100 miles in. So far so good. Going to be doing lots of this for break in.......I want to crack the gate so bad!!

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[NCspecV81]

You shold really get on it sooner than later. Help those rings get set. I used the mototune method for my breakin. It really works.

[865ms3]

Originally Posted by NCspecV81 You shold really get on it sooner than later. Help those rings get set. I used the mototune method for my breakin. It really works.

I'm at 100.....I've hit 15psi...on accident...this thing spools. a couple times. Good vacuum already and all seems well. May hammer on it after this oil change if I get the ok from Justin. So many different methods.....but I trust Justin's judgement

[s1xstringmayhem]

Originally Posted by 865ms3 I'm at 100.....I've hit 15psi...on accident...this thing spools. a couple times. Good vacuum already and all seems well. May hammer on it after this oil change if I get the ok from Justin. So many different methods.....but I trust Justin's judgement

How does this spool in relation to your 3071? Or is it still too early to tell?

[ItsNox]

Originally Posted by NCspecV81 You shold really get on it sooner than later. Help those rings get set. I used the mototune method for my breakin. It really works.

I'm with this guy. When it comes time I'll be doing a 'hard' break in as well.

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[865ms3]

I've stepped it up. Been cracking the wastegate today some. Just changed the oil and it looks mint. 140miles in currently.

Going to do short part gear pulls till 500 Then from 500-1k full gear pulls.

Eric kinda early to tell....but when I touch the gas.....it spools. I think there is going to be little to no difference.

This thing sounds nuts when that wastegate opens. I was afraid the downpipe fell off haha

[cshunter]

Originally Posted by 865ms3 This thing sounds nuts when that wastegate opens. I was afraid the downpipe fell off haha

Video or lies.

[865ms3]

Originally Posted by cshunter Video or lies.

You got it

[AwAfrican]

In for vids and results! Good luck

[865ms3]

I know this is probably way off.....but thought I was getting bad boost creep when doing part throttle pulls. 15psi spring and I was seeing 19s part throttle. Decided to do a 3rd gear pull. Just my base map so far. Also downhill a little bit.

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[865ms3]

@cshunter;

Bringing the go pro and selfie stick out tonight. Videos coming of slow wg pulls

[King Scumbag]

Originally Posted by 865ms3 I know this is probably way off.....but thought I was getting bad boost creep when doing part throttle pulls. 15psi spring and I was seeing 19s part throttle. Decided to do a 3rd gear pull. Just my base map so far. Also downhill a little bit. Attachment 204360

I'm assuming you are spraying at this point too?

[SuckSqueezBangBlow]

865ms3 Nice build looks like a lot of fun

[865ms3]

Originally Posted by King Scumbag I'm assuming you are spraying at this point too?

Not a drop. Straight 93. Take that graph with a very large grain of salt. Base map...slightly downhill...etc

[Justin@Freektune]

Time to turn it up


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[King Scumbag]

Meanwhile, I still wait for my head.