BT Gen2 with ecutek tune = bent rods thanks to Visconti Tuning / John@TheSandalShopCT

[bwallace04]

Ok after talking with Amazon i thought i would let the forum know. My mod are CP-E nano, CP-E inlet pipe, CP-E RMM, CP-E hpfp, GT2871turbo, CP-E downpipe, CS catback and now my engine is forged after engine blew with john sitting in the driver seat of my car on the dyno. He tuned it back in November and spike was set at 16psi with a 10psi hold. limiters were lowered in 1st and 2nd and 3rd is gone. Right now i have nothing to monitor the car but it just doesn't sit right with me. Car started on the dyno at 8am when the engine blew it was 4pm. when the engine was taking apart boost lines that were hooked up before john tryed to retune my were some how unhooked. When the car was tuned by him at 7psi he was bypassing the wastegate, John was trying to control boost with a mbc he brought when he returned to retune. He installed it and was unable to work with it. So he took it off and it left with him. It appears John was messing with the boost control line prior to the car blowing. When engine was apart saw that boost lines that were hooked up right before john touched the car were unhooked and hooked up wrong the same guy that built the engine put the turbo on and it was hooked up right. Oh and this wasn't a 10-20 pull on the dyno started at 8am and engine blew at 4pm car was on the dyno all day. Car had been tuned by john the first time in august at 7psi comes back in november to retune it. when boost was at 7psi there was no boost spike at and past 20psi. john said when rods bent boost shot threw the roof and he couldn't control it. he said he was targeting 16psi and blamed it on the wastegate.

[Monotonous ONE]

sorry to hear about your situation



shocking news...just shocking

[Amazon]

Thanks for posting. It makes me mad that John is still here.

I'm fucking pissed guys, lets try to help him out. He needs a new tune. He needs a device to tune with, hopefully Cobb will take him on as a Beta tester. If not, I'm sure someone with a SB will step forward. But he needs to get that tune off his car. He's out a lot of money over this and his car is barely a year old.

Lets keep this thread serious

[phillyb]

wait...
john at the sandal shop was sitting IN the driver's seat when it blew?

[bwallace04]

Originally Posted by phillyb wait... john at the sandal shop was sitting IN the driver's seat when it blew?

yeah

[Danish]

Neat!

Keep us updated on your fail.

[Amazon]

There can't be any more solid evidence than this guys. The guy was IN THE SEAT when it blew.

[phillyb]

Originally Posted by phillyb wait... john at the sandal shop was sitting IN the driver's seat when it blew?

Originally Posted by bwallace04 yeah

what'd you say?
what'd he say?

[bwallace04]

Originally Posted by phillyb what'd you say? what'd he say?

cussed him out, i was half sleep when i found out. he tried to kiss my ass and offered a reach around.

Originally Posted by Amazon You actually were the first thing to come to mind. If We can't get him on as a Beta tester for Cobb, I thought you might be willing to part with that paper weight of yours.

I would like to get it off to

[Monotonous ONE]

fucking shit

what is this peice of shit john doing about it? nothing i suppose?

fuck



if my standback can help the situation at all...just let me know and we can work something out

but wont you need to get his bullshit off your ecu first?

[Amazon]

Originally Posted by Monotonous ONE fucking shit what is this peice of shit john doing about it? nothing i suppose? fuck if my standback can help the situation at all...just let me know and we can work something out but wont you need to get his bullshit off your ecu first?

You actually were the first thing to come to mind. If We can't get him on as a Beta tester for Cobb, I thought you might be willing to part with that paper weight of yours.

[Amazon]

So basically he didn't even make an excuse? No offer for a refund or to cover damages?

Not that it surprises me, I'm just trying to find out what he said.

[bwallace04]

Originally Posted by Amazon So basically he didn't even make an excuse? No offer for a refund or to cover damages? Not that it surprises me, I'm just trying to find out what he said.

xcI was half sleep when i found out. he tried to kiss my ass and offered a reach around
he said he was sorry and said that the boost flew threw the roof

[Monotonous ONE]

ill part with the $500 paperweight...but not for 100% free. well...maybe.


i just need to know that:

1) Ill get paid for it
2) Ill get a Cobb AP in exchange =)
3) Youll send it back when you get an AP
4) Or some other shit

[bertrand_CX_7]

Originally Posted by giggles I take up cases in CT all the time, if you would like to pursue John legally on this issue feel free to PM me.

No shit... Then how much he'll have to spend on the top of his blown engine? I'll say "damage limit" is the key.

Backyard tuning has no warranty in general and you know better than that. He had the choice to go to a good name tuner (Cobb, Corksport, etc, etc), paid a little bit more and be on the save side in the even anything will happen to his car in their facility, your car damages should be cover and you could even enforce this.

Remember one important step: If you take your car to someone even for little stuffs like a vibration, signing a paper work, authorizing him to take a look at your car, is your own protection. As I said before, in the even the facility catch fire, vandalism, etc, etc, etc.

Who knows John can say he never touch your car and he never see it. Right?
SUMMARY: Look for some forumist to help fix your car, paid what you have to pay for that. Learn from your mistake, accept them and move on. Pursue, law suite, such BS stories are just a wast of your money and your time.


A bon entendeur, salut!

Originally Posted by superskaterxes i cant think of one positive reason to keep john on this forum. he provides no advantages whatsoever to our community.

I can 1 reason, he help blow his engine.

[Amazon]

Originally Posted by bertrand_CX_7 Backyard tuning has no warranty in general and you know better than that. He had the choice to go to a good name tuner (Cobb, Corksport, etc, etc), paid a little bit more and be on the save side in the even anything will happen to his car in their facility, your car damages should be cover and you could even enforce this.

Its a gen2, his options for tuning didn't include much at all. That's why this forum is suppose to look out for it's members against shitty tuners.

Pursuing legal action was pretty much dropped from the beginning, we're just trying to fix his car now.

[Amazon]

Well Mono, first is to try and get him on with the Cobb testers so Christian can monitor him constantly.

[Monotonous ONE]

yea

just let me know whats up...i would love to help out

[rodrigo]

so guy gets a 2871 runs 10lbs and the guy that steps on the gas is to blame???

can we get details?? cuz all i see here is some guys that dont like john make general statements without any actual data that makes one person responsible over the other.


at what point do owners of cars take responsibility for blowing up their own cars??? i went to a dyno today.... first thing i told the guy was start it at 3k.... he wanted to start it at 1500..... this is called being prudent...especially when someone else that doesnt know your car is in it,

seriously these blow up threads and us looking around to blame everyone else but ourselves get old.

please post some details

[bwallace04]

Originally Posted by lenny127 so guy gets a 2871 runs 10lbs and the guy that steps on the gas is to blame??? can we get details?? cuz all i see here is some guys that dont like john make general statements without any actual data that makes one person responsible over the other. at what point do owners of cars take responsibility for blowing up their own cars??? i went to a dyno today.... first thing i told the guy was start it at 3k.... he wanted to start it at 1500..... this is called being prudent...especially when someone else that doesnt know your car is in it, seriously these blow up threads and us looking around to blame everyone else but ourselves get old. please post some details

car had been tuned by john the first time in august at 7psi comes back in november to retune it. when boost was at 7psi there was no boost spike at and past 20psi. john said when rods bent boost shot threw the roof and he couldn't control it. he said he was targeting 16psi and blamed it on the wastegate. when the head came off the car to change the rods out the wastegate was checked to make sure it was working correct and it was fine.

[Amazon]

I'll give as much as I can.

John had originally street tuned Wallace several months prior to the incident. Wallace's stock turbo had taken a shit, and he wasn't able to get it replaced, so he went with a gt2871. John tuned it and it ran better. He then came back and did a dyno tune. While sitting in the car on the dyno tuning, rods 1 and 4 gave up the ghost.

This happened two months ago.

[rodrigo]

was it knocking??? what boost? timing?? was he flooring it at idle??

dont get me wrong...i dont give two shits about john... but before i go throw a knife at someone i like to know facts.

more info would help your cause

[Dano]

I don't think one run at 20 PSI will throw a rod...there is more to this story....

1) 20PSI at 2K RPM = by by rod
2) boost source line blows off and 30PSI + ensues = by by rod [ this = installer at fault]
3) many other options as well

as lenny said more information needed before we get the tissues out.

[Dano]

Why but a BT on a car without a "proven" tuning solution?

why?

[bwallace04]

when engine was apart saw that boost lines that were hooked up right before john touched the car were un hooked and hooked up wrong the same goy that built the engine put the turbo on and it was hooked up right. Oh and this wasn't a 10-20 pull on the dyno started at 8am and engine blew at 4pm car was on the dyno all day.

[Amazon]

Lenny, how the fuck is he expected to know half this shit? He was paying a fucking tuner to do this for him because he doesn't know how.

He was set to spike 16 psi and hold 10 psi.

Was it knocking? Doubt it, the car sure wasn't when I saw it after John's first tune.

Timing? How would he know? You know how tightfisted John is with his data. From what I gather, he wasn't in the car at the time.

I see John is still here, time get him in here to comment or ban him.

[bwallace04]

Originally Posted by giggles so wait.. Rods blew.. The rods were being replaced according to bwallace's post??

rods are replaced now because 1 and 4 bent

[rodrigo]

ill read when i get back from the gym. but from what i have asked around to all the tuners and shit...u aint gonna be able to do shit. tuners take zero responsibility ..they tune..they dont build motors and guarantee structural rigidity

[Amazon]

He replaced the rods with forged ones after the car blew.

[rigor]

ya but how much low rpm boosting happened, before it ever seen a tuner, and how much kr was it experiencing? know one knows. and if you hammered a turbo something is up! i dont care what any one says...

you cant blame him for 10 minutes of driving! i dont give a shit if it hit 30 psi, if your internals were sound it wouldn't of mattered,
obviously something was wrong,

long before that 10 min jag

just my.02
25 years of being in the auto tech biz

[Amazon]

Originally Posted by rigor ya but how much low rpm boosting happened, before it ever seen a tuner, and how much kr was it experiencing? know one knows. and if you hammered a turbo something is up! i dont care what any one says... you cant blame him for 10 minutes of driving! i dont give a shit if it hit 30 psi, if your internals were sound it wouldn't of mattered, obviously something was wrong, long before that 10 min jag just my.02 25 years of being in the auto tech biz

Did you read the thread man? He was running around already tuned by John at 7 psi. John came back, strapped his car to a dyno and started tuning. A while later, the car kisses rods 1 and 4 goodbye and John blames it on the waste gate sticking. When taken apart, the waste gate was found to be fine.

Cliff notes:

Car had been running tuned by John for several months already at 7 psi

John started retuning the car to spike at 16 and hold 10 psi

Car blew after John had been tuning on it all day

John blamed an over boosting issue on the waste gate sticking

Upon tear down of the motor, the waste gate was found to be working correctly

[mghtymouse380]

That sucks to hear. Is the motor finished being rebuilt? Did you do a just rods or built bottom end? Hope things work out for you. If you have only had your car for a year and your k04 crapped on you, why couldnt you get a new one? Warranty? Just curious.

[bwallace04]

Originally Posted by mghtymouse380 That sucks to hear. Is the motor finished being rebuilt? Did you do a just rods or built bottom end? Hope things work out for you. If you have only had your car for a year and your k04 crapped on you, why couldnt you get a new one? Warranty? Just curious.

signs of modding they said

[rigor]

i was north of 26 psi for 3 weeks
stock internals
just sayin

[Dano]

Originally Posted by rigor i was north of 26 psi for 3 weeks stock internals just sayin

yes...this = more to the story..

I say boost source line popped.

[forcedinduktion]

first blown 2nd gen? but that was the tuners fault

[Amazon]

Originally Posted by forcedinduktion first blown 2nd gen? but that was the tuners fault

No, he's not the first gen2 to blow, there have been a couple others before him.

[phillyb]

Originally Posted by forcedinduktion first blown 2nd gen? but that was the tuners fault

not the first i don't think. i vaguely remember a thread about this shit...lemme see if i can dig this up.

[rigor]

i pay attention when im driving that's all, try not to do stupid shit while in cab this car...
it does have moments of kr, where you need to get off the gas due to heat or what ever....

do you tip a few back and go for a joy ride (main reason blown engine resource tread)

also trying to impress friends, with a free rev, to hear the rev limiter?
is second best way to get into the blown engine thread...

3rd is kr, do you have it ?

how many pulls in 8 hrs?

nuff said

[forcedinduktion]

im not counting that guy that flew his shit cause his friend glue his boost solenoid together or w.e it was