Stratified Meth kit install using stock washer reservoir

[El_Diablo]

Freak, I'm just wondering if maybe some of the US MS3's got the large tanks or if the Cananadidian models are larger than 1 gallon? Since there are 2 tanks we should be seeing 2 distinctly different measurements.

[mituc]

Awesome! Didn't find this until today, and this seems to be by far the cleanest setup.
Now, I don't want methanol on my clear coating. I spend a lot of time sourcing windshield washer fluid with no methanol. And since I'll be happy with only water injection for only the cooling effect I wonder how bad is to spray windshield washer and detergents into the engine Probably not a big deal at all.

My washer fluid is 3 liters, so about one gallon. If this works I'm going to acquire a 5 liter one.

[atvfreek]

Originally Posted by El_Diablo Freak, I'm just wondering if maybe some of the US MS3's got the large tanks or if the Cananadidian models are larger than 1 gallon? Since there are 2 tanks we should be seeing 2 distinctly different measurements.

I believe the canadien ms3 has a slightly larger reservoir but not positive on that.

Originally Posted by mituc Awesome! Didn't find this until today, and this seems to be by far the cleanest setup. Now, I don't want methanol on my clear coating. I spend a lot of time sourcing windshield washer fluid with no methanol. And since I'll be happy with only water injection for only the cooling effect I wonder how bad is to spray windshield washer and detergents into the engine Probably not a big deal at all. My washer fluid is 3 liters, so about one gallon. If this works I'm going to acquire a 5 liter one.

You can spray wwf, just make sure it doesn't have glycol in it. I was spraying wwf for a while when I first installed the meth kit, but it used methanol for the anti freeze agent.

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[mituc]

Originally Posted by atvfreek You can spray wwf, just make sure it doesn't have glycol in it. I was spraying wwf for a while when I first installed the meth kit, but it used methanol for the anti freeze agent.

Well, if it doesn;t have methanol then it has glycol. FML...! So I need a separate reservoir...

[El_Diablo]

That link I posted earlier in the thread proves that atleast some MS3's got the larger tank but still not sure what size it is or if its worth upgrading to.

Heres the link again for those who missed it-
2011 MAZDA Mazda3 Parts - Online Mazda Parts


Heres a genjuan comparison, doesn't look like much but it may be a larger size difference on the gen2's-
US Speed3 Windshield Washer Fluid level sensor

[BigRedSpecial]

for the record my (Canadian) genwon holds less than a gallon, so it may be completely random on the first gens.

[El_Diablo]

Wondering if it isn't the same way on the gen2's.

[mituc]

I'm also wondering if it was to use a separate tank, where exactly it would fit best somewhere in the engine bay? Even a 2 quart tank... even if it stays low in the engine bay or it's not reachable directly it's pretty easy to fabricate some ducts/pipes and move the cap in an easily reachable location.

[KevMS6]

Looking for yet more info from you guys

Leaning towards aquamist check valve jet ( Checkvalve jet for 4mm OD hose (qty. discount) - aquamist-direct.com ) mounted to their silicone hose adaptor ( silicon hose adaptor (4, 5, 6mm) (qty. discount) - aquamist-direct.com )

After researching as much as possible aquamist seems to make the best available parts

Edited - looks like I'll get 6mm jet & 6mm CV - the combined CV jets only available in 4mm

[Lex]

Gen 1 Canadian cars came with a much larger tank and a low level light.

I've ran the methanol based washer fluid for a long time and it turns out the blue dye is not compatible with really small meth nozzles at high pressure. Over time (a few years) it has started clogging my nozzle (I know, that's what she said).

So now I mix my own 50/50 methyl hydrate/distilled water.

[El_Diablo]

Wonder if the yellow stuff would do any better? Pretty sure its still meth based.

[Midnitehours]

Originally Posted by El_Diablo Wonder if the yellow stuff would do any better? Pretty sure its still meth based.

yellow stuff probably has glycol in it.

thoughts on this?



edit: msds attached

[atvfreek]

I experienced the same as lex with the blue stuff. When I pulled my nozzle to just check everything over, I found blue build up around the screen/filter for nozzle. It hadn't clogged it but I'm sure it would have over time.

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[atvfreek]

I don't believe ethanol is compatable with the meth pumps

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[Midnitehours]

Originally Posted by atvfreek I don't believe ethanol is compatable with the meth pumps Sent from your couch

Snow Performance says that their kits can use it, but it's not as effective.

Originally Posted by snowperformance 6. What fluid can I use in my system? • Boost Juice®: This is the best fluid to use and is Snow Performance’s 49% methanol, 51% water mixture that can be shipped to your door or picked up at a local dealer. (If you are using your washer reservoir as the injection tank, Boost Juice® is a great washer fluid – works as a de-icer!) • Windshield Washer fluid: Only if it is blue in color and rated for -20 deg F. It should have no special additives. This means it is safe to use and made of about 30% methanol, 70% water. If it is another color or another temperature rating, do not use it. • You can “spike” your Blue -20 Washer fluid to a 50% mixture by adding 3 12OZ yellow bottles of Heet® gas-line-antifreeze to every gallon of washer fluid. • Mix your own: You just need to make sure the methanol is “neat” and contains no lubricants or other additives. We recommend a 50% mixture. • Ethanol: It is not as good as methanol, but it can be used as a 2nd best option if you can’t find methanol. It can also be mixed with water up to 50%. • Do NOT use E85 or any other fluid with gasoline mixed in. It will destroy the fluid delivery part of your Boost Cooler® and instantly void the warranty. • Isopropyl/Denatured Alcohols: These can be used, but are not as good as methanol. They have a lower BTU, or energy content, and a lower latent heat of vaporization (fancy way of saying how much heat they absorb) as well as a lower octane rating compared to methanol.

[atvfreek]

Originally Posted by Midnitehours Snow Performance says that their kits can use it, but it's not as effective. [/I]

Sorry, when i saw ethanol I automatically thought e85. Lol.



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[El_Diablo]

Checked and yes, prestone washer fluid uses a form of glycol.... looks like the best bet for washer fluid is still the blue stuff and just check every so often.... maybe every time you change wheels for those of use who have a snow tire setup.

[mrdouble99]

Wouldn't be better to tap and put a fitting in the tank to make sure the W/M pump doesn't work to hard pulling WW trought the WW pump.

I'm about to do the same setup, but i think i'm gonna tap in the tank

[El_Diablo]

No real point in tapping the tank. As soon as you take the hose off the washer fluid pisses all over the place. They aren't restrictive at all unless you're pumping so much volume that the stock hose diameter wont keep up.

[mituc]

Just don't spray on your windshield and head lamps at the same time when the WMI controller decided to spray into the intake

[Lex]

Originally Posted by mituc Just don't spray on your windshield and head lamps at the same time when the WMI controller decided to spray into the intake

Most people don't wash their windshields when going WOT

[El_Diablo]

Even if you did, in theory your pushing that much more fluid to your T fitting. Altough, really it wouldn't change a thing.

[KevMS6]

For those of you that are considering installing the jet/nozzle on silicone hose here are some very good pics showing the aquamist silicone hose adaptor with install guide:
Aquamist soft pipe jet adapters now available - SRT Forums - SRT4, SRT6, SRT8, SRT10 & Dodge Forum - worth looking at instead of the devils own option which has very mixed reviews.
Edit: Aquamist use 4mm on there set up and snow/DO use 1/4" hose. If anyone wanted to use this silicone adaptor setup they have to use aquamist jet and require a 1/4" to 4mm high pressure inline filter to make it work as Snow jets have filter just prior to jet.

[fywdyl]

@Lex;

Are you less busy now?

[Lex]

Originally Posted by fywdyl @Lex; Are you less busy now?

Are you asking about the drawings? My target it to have them done by the end of this week.

[3starmagnum]

Subbing for info

[duappleganger]

Make it happen Captain!

[KevMS6]

As mentioned on another thread it is an option to install a seperate washer fluid tank, then have the existing washer set up for meth only - as it already has the low level warning dash light and it holds a nice amount of fluid.(not everyone happy to be spraying meth over their freshly waxed car etc)
Another guy mounted a tank at rear of bay which looked ok:

3 qt meth tank but can be used as a washer fluid tank running a line to washer pump.
This is a setup which I'll be going for
Edit: sorry for giant pic - I have no idea how to make this thing smaller

[Matrix311]

Originally Posted by KevMS6 As mentioned on another thread it is an option to install a seperate washer fluid tank, then have the existing washer set up for meth only - as it already has the low level warning dash light and it holds a nice amount of fluid.(not everyone happy to be spraying meth over their freshly waxed car etc) Another guy mounted a tank at rear of bay which looked ok: 3 qt meth tank but can be used as a washer fluid tank running a line to washer pump. This is a setup which I'll be going for Edit: sorry for giant pic - I have no idea how to make this thing smaller

hmm i wonder if this would fit on the 3 like that? Great spot for sure to mount it.

[BigRedSpecial]

Interesting fitment... HIGHLY doubtful that would work on a 3 though

[Dr. Speed]

It's a pretty good idea though... you could put the new washer fluid tank where many people install their meth tanks (driver's side front)... then you have the bigger, more accessible factory tank being used for a much better purpose ... and as mentioned, it has the fluid level sensor.

[Matrix311]

Also anyone looking to run 2 meth tanks here is my how-to write up I just posted.

Dual meth tank install how-to

I used the stock washer fluid reservoir and a 4 quart devils own meth tank for my install.

[Lex]

Gen1 diagrams are up in the original post. I will clean this up and add the Gen2 diagrams in a day or 2. Sorry gen2 guys, ran out of time today.

[Midnitehours]

Does the meth nozzle dribble when you use the wishield washer or does the meth pump have enough resistance to prevent that from happening?

[Dust]

Nozzles will dribble unless you have a solenoid close to the nozzle. The pump will(should) keep fluid from flowing (internal check valve), but only a solenoid can guarantee no drip. A check valve will stop the dripping after it's valve has closed.

[Lex]

OP updated with full and large diagrams for all generations.

[Domino81]

How in the bloody hell did I miss this?

[KevMS6]

Great info & write up lex
What diameter is that hose that attaches to stock pump?

Our uk cars come with headlight washers which work on every fifth spray when lights are on... I'll get the bumper off for an investigation & meth install in a couple weeks time.
Your info has helped me out, cheers

[Lex]

Originally Posted by KevMS6 Great info & write up lex What diameter is that hose that attaches to stock pump? Our uk cars come with headlight washers which work on every fifth spray when lights are on... I'll get the bumper off for an investigation & meth install in a couple weeks time. Your info has helped me out, cheers

I believe 7/32" ID hose works well. It has to fit snugly over the meth hardline.

[DSIT995]

Just want to clarify something in this setup...

So for the mounting in the TB silicone your using just the washer on the inside and attaching the nozzle threw the silicone to the 90* fitting?

The reason I asked is I used the DO silicone adapter when I ran my TMIC setup and it always scared the shit out me the inner adapter was going to end up in my engine.(even with loctite on it) One of the reasons I didnt re-install my meth in the same manner on my fmic.. I want to get it hooked back up w/ my current setup and just trying to find the best nozzle mounting point

If this is the case are you using loctite or something to make sure it doesnt loosen? And how would you go about cleaning the filter using this method..

btw my setup is the original DO stage 2 progressive controller and I ran a DO3 nozzle w/ 25/75% mix.. kinda weak but kept BATs at bay in the summer months

Edit: Also would you reccomend using the "newer style" nozzles from DO which seem similar to the CoolingMist nozzles?