Stratified S-OTS maps for the JBR Power Path Intakes

[iammike]

Originally Posted by Tronix here are datalogs from today. I'm a little concerned, should I try the 91 map to compare? Looking for a second pair of eyes. This is stage 1 Thanks

I'm not sure why your fuel pressure dropped in that range. It kind of dipped down then went back up over the course of 8 or so cells. Also, you should really be logging Knock Retard as well.

Disclaimer: I'm no pro by any stretch of the imagination.

[Lex]

Originally Posted by Tronix here are datalogs from today. I'm a little concerned, should I try the 91 map to compare? Looking for a second pair of eyes. This is stage 1 Thanks

You're seeing some slight pressure drops during spool but nothing too drastic. The 91 octane map differs in timing, not load, so you will see the same requested loads.

This is just telling you that if you are looking for more boost or want to add anything more in terms of flow to the car, you will need to upgrade the HPFP as it is on the edge.

[Tronix]

Originally Posted by iammike I'm not sure why your fuel pressure dropped in that range. It kind of dipped down then went back up over the course of 8 or so cells. Also, you should really be logging Knock Retard as well. Disclaimer: I'm no pro by any stretch of the imagination.

ya sorry, I striped some data out because the log was large. I attached the original.

Originally Posted by Lex You're seeing some slight pressure drops during spool but nothing too drastic. The 91 octane map differs in timing, not load, so you will see the same requested loads. This is just telling you that if you are looking for more boost or want to add anything more in terms of flow to the car, you will need to upgrade the HPFP as it is on the edge.

Ok that's good to know, that was my suspicion also just wanted to make sure. I appreciate you looking.

[bbrownderville]

I just swapped to your 91 stage 1 and wow what a difference from Cobb's ots. Given I dont have a jbr intake, i still feel a huge difference with the butt dyno and love the different boost contol/throttle sensing. I will be a paying customer someday from this experience!

[Tronix]

So just an update:

Been driving around with stage 1 93 for a few weeks, very happy with it still. So i filled up today and calculated my mpg. I honestly thought it was gonna drop by alot because I have been flooring it all over the place.

24.6 mpg

I bet I can get 26 if I dont hammer on it all the time. I'm impressed. The stock tune must be really shitty then.

[Lex]

Very happy you like the tune and how the car drives! The fuel economy is icing on the cake

[Worbit]

Subbing....thanks Lex for making these OTS maps available. I plan on ditching my Cobb stage 1+ for your stage 2 later on today.

[himurax13]

I know this is a shot in the dark, but will you be offering maps for people who installed 3 BAR MAP sensors?

[Lex]

Originally Posted by himurax13 I know this is a shot in the dark, but will you be offering maps for people who installed 3 BAR MAP sensors?

Those kind of modifications fall into the custom tune category. Otherwise the permutations and number of maps to maintain becomes unmanageable pretty quickly.

[Speed3_BigV]

I recently bought a SURE SRI and TIP, so I went ahead and loaded up the Cobb stage 1 map for the SURE SRI/TIP intake.

It ran ok but I had alot of KR (between 1.0 and 2.5 about) in 1st gear wot pulls or something was acting up cutting power but it wasn't happening all the time, 2 thru 6 was perfectly fine, logs had great readings and all but for some reason it didn't like 1st gear.

So I decided to try the Stratified OTS stage 1 map. Even tho it's meant to run with the JBR intake, good god!! It's SO much better than the Cobb map for some reason, the 1st gear hesitation is completely gone, 0 KR in every gear, and it pulls ALOT harder and LTFT's are perfect!

Just throwing the word out that the Stratified OTS stage 1 map works perfectly with the SURE SRI/TIP combo. Definitely sticking with this map until I get a custom tune, nice job Lex!

[Lex]

Originally Posted by Tronix here are datalogs from today. I'm a little concerned, should I try the 91 map to compare? Looking for a second pair of eyes. This is stage 1 Thanks

You're on the edge but ok. You have SWAS interacting there so your AFRs went very rich to 9.x and the demand on the fuel system was therefore very high but it was also unnecessarily rich.

[Andrewbox]

I've been running the OTS stage 2 map for a few weeks now and i fucking love it! Thanks lex for a quick FREE tune.

[Lex]

Glad to see people using and enjoying the S-OTS maps!

[JgamB]

Any chance we could see some 25%-30% E85 base maps? It certainly seems to be more prevalent and with summer heat incoming the KR from corn will sure be nice.

[Lex]

Originally Posted by JgamB Any chance we could see some 25%-30% E85 base maps? It certainly seems to be more prevalent and with summer heat incoming the KR from corn will sure be nice.

You mean LESS KR from corn .

You can safely put in 1-2 gallons of E85 per full tank with these maps to avoid KR and run a higher octane map if you're seeing KR.

However to push power further with E85 blends, the way to go is a custom tune since there are large variances from vehicle to vehicle and setup to setup.

[swerv0428]

Just got my AP and flashed the stage one 93 map. Running a jbr stage one intake. Have internals waiting to go in as well. What are the target numbers for afr's, etc.

[LumberJack]

I've meant to comment sooner, but @Lex; do it again. Always providing the goods for us mod lovers!

[Lex]

Originally Posted by swerv0428 Just got my AP and flashed the stage one 93 map. Running a jbr stage one intake. Have internals waiting to go in as well. What are the target numbers for afr's, etc.

WOT AFRs are 11.7 tapering to 11 by redline

[tc0308]

So there is a place by me that advertises 100 octane fuel. If i am noticing kr, would it be safe to try that? The closest e85 station is a lot further away. Im installing my racepipe tomorrow and then loading the s-ots stage two map tomorrow! Also i noticed that my afr after shifts can be in the 9s. If that dangerously rich? It tapers back into the 10 s. During a single gear pull they will be in the 11 s

[Stealth01]

Originally Posted by tc0308 So there is a place by me that advertises 100 octane fuel. If i am noticing kr, would it be safe to try that? The closest e85 station is a lot further away. Im installing my racepipe tomorrow and then loading the s-ots stage two map tomorrow! Also i noticed that my afr after shifts can be in the 9s. If that dangerously rich? It tapers back into the 10 s. During a single gear pull they will be in the 11 s

Not completely sure, but the AFRs in the 9s during shift might be due to turbulence....Lex would know better....

[Lex]

Originally Posted by tc0308 So there is a place by me that advertises 100 octane fuel. If i am noticing kr, would it be safe to try that? The closest e85 station is a lot further away. Im installing my racepipe tomorrow and then loading the s-ots stage two map tomorrow! Also i noticed that my afr after shifts can be in the 9s. If that dangerously rich? It tapers back into the 10 s. During a single gear pull they will be in the 11 s

If you are seeing a lot of KR you may need to step down to a 91 octane or even a stage1 since that targets less load/boost.

Using higher octane fuel is always helpful and mixing a little E85 (1-2 gallons) or race fuel should make the 93 maps usable even if using 91.

During shifting you will see AFRs drop with any map and wheelspin/SWAS will also affect these. Higher BAT/IATs will also pull the AFRs into the 10s and that's not a problem.

[zeroecco]

Put the 91 stage 2 S-OTS map on today, feels very strong. As stated by others before, the throttle feels better and the progression in the power is way smoother.

Mods:
Cobb AP (obviously)
CS test pipe
CS TIH+SRI
Silicon Boost tubes
Forged BPV v1
CS RMM
JBR SSK stage 2

Second gear is virtually useless now (tires spin at roll if you hit it), third can't hold either, fourth and your gone.

[Bananastand]

Quick question: I seem to not boost at all in 1st gear (AP showed -1 at its highest at WOT) even at WOT. I was just wondering if that was normal. Also I've read people running the Stage 2 with just the SRI/TIP and upgraded internals, do you think that's ok?

2nd gear limited to 7-8 lb and all the other gears are fine. FP 1800+ WOT, KR 0.5 at it's highest.

Edit: forgot to mention I have the JBR SRI/TIP and the Stage 1 OTS 93 with upgraded AT internals

[anodizedeeznutz]

Something is wrong. You should be seeing 16 +\- 2 lbs

[Bananastand]

Originally Posted by EvanSpeed3 Something is wrong. You should be seeing 16 +\- 2 lbs

Do you think I should uninstall and reinstall? Or do you think it's more of a hardware problem?

[anodizedeeznutz]

It's just weird that its only in the first two gears.

Ill let @Lex; share his thoughts considering its his map

[JgamB]

Seems obvious - but did you turn off traction control?

[Bananastand]

Originally Posted by JgamB Seems obvious - but did you turn off traction control?

I'm going to try that when I run some errands today.

[Lex]

Post up a log. Hard to diagnose anything without seeing some data.

[dooderek]

i have jamies ssp, what map should i run?

[MS6 Sanchez]

Originally Posted by Joe Isuzu i have jamies ssp, what map should i run?

Stage 14 1/5 + 198 oct

[Speed3_BigV]

I've been running this map for about 3 weeks and its wonderfull!

One thing that bothers me tho, I sometimes experience some hesitation at WOT during cornering, not an extreme corner but enough to push you to the side of your seat a bit when you take it.

In 2nd or 3rd, if I punch it or roll on the throttle in such a corner the boost kicks in but there's severe hesitation, as if im hitting the rev limiter and the car barely pulls forward, shifting to a higher gear solves the problem. There's no KR and nothing seems out of the ordinary appart from running very rich when it happens (9.0 AFR's with AP display)

Could it simply be the SWAS being gay?

I'm probly going to get flammed for this but I also added LC and FFS to the map using the tool found on Cobb's website, could adding LC/FFS to the map also cause this problem? I haven't tried the map without LC/FFS. The LC I can live without but I do like the FFS set at 6k and despite seeing some people say theres possible boost spikes using FFS, I don't see many of them. Boost does peak around 19 psi but its short lived and it does the same even if I don't use FFS.

Thanks for any input, Cheers!

[Mike@Stratified]

If you watch your AFRs during one of these corners where you get the hesitation and it goes into the 9s, that is SWAS.

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[Lex]

Originally Posted by Speed3_BigV I've been running this map for about 3 weeks and its wonderfull! One thing that bothers me tho, I sometimes experience some hesitation at WOT during cornering, not an extreme corner but enough to push you to the side of your seat a bit when you take it. In 2nd or 3rd, if I punch it or roll on the throttle in such a corner the boost kicks in but there's severe hesitation, as if im hitting the rev limiter and the car barely pulls forward, shifting to a higher gear solves the problem. There's no KR and nothing seems out of the ordinary appart from running very rich when it happens (9.0 AFR's with AP display) Could it simply be the SWAS being gay? I'm probly going to get flammed for this but I also added LC and FFS to the map using the tool found on Cobb's website, could adding LC/FFS to the map also cause this problem? I haven't tried the map without LC/FFS. The LC I can live without but I do like the FFS set at 6k and despite seeing some people say theres possible boost spikes using FFS, I don't see many of them. Boost does peak around 19 psi but its short lived and it does the same even if I don't use FFS. Thanks for any input, Cheers!

The stuttering is like the result of SWAS unfortunately especially if it happens only in corners.

FFS and LC are fine but be aware that sometimes the car will have unpredictable AFRs in the next gear after FFS.

[iammike]

Originally Posted by Lex The stuttering is like the result of SWAS unfortunately especially if it happens only in corners. FFS and LC are fine but be aware that sometimes the car will have unpredictable AFRs in the next gear after FFS.

Has LC been known to cause any of these problems? I always hear about FFS.

[Lex]

For those wanting to enable FFS/LC on our S-OTS maps you can do this using COBB's online utility here:

COBB Tuning - MAZDASPEED Accessport

[elroes]

I saw a couple of you guys ran the s-ots map with the Cobb sri so I thought I'd give it a try. Gotta say I immediately could tell the difference in driveability. Car just felt smoother. Also was WAY up on power. Vdyno showed a ~25hp increase. Unfortunately I also found lean afrs at WOT (12.2 or even higher) and consistent kr. Sadly went back to the Cobb ots. Oh well, would have been too good to be true haha. This just made me more determined to get a custom etune, most likely stratified :-)

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[himurax13]

Originally Posted by elroes I saw a couple of you guys ran the s-ots map with the Cobb sri so I thought I'd give it a try. Gotta say I immediately could tell the difference in driveability. Car just felt smoother. Also was WAY up on power. Vdyno showed a ~25hp increase. Unfortunately I also found lean afrs at WOT (12.2 or even higher) and consistent kr. Sadly went back to the Cobb ots. Oh well, would have been too good to be true haha. This just made me more determined to get a custom etune, most likely stratified :-) Sent from my Nexus 7 using Tapatalk HD

I also experienced the same thing with the Corksport Stage 2 SRI.:-(

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[theurgy]

Hey Lex,

I'm looking at getting a custom tune with you in the very near future. I know I've been saying this for a while now, but my final bits might finally be going in (got my downpipe finally going in this weekend).

I wanted to use your Stage 2 S-OTS maps using the 91 Octane (as you know how crappy our 94 octane is here), as I feel it might be a safer base map to run that the stock Cobb Stage 2 OTS maps.

My problem is, would there be a way to get this same map with the EGR and VTCS codes disabled?
Thanks.

[Lex]

Originally Posted by theurgy Hey Lex, I'm looking at getting a custom tune with you in the very near future. I know I've been saying this for a while now, but my final bits might finally be going in (got my downpipe finally going in this weekend). I wanted to use your Stage 2 S-OTS maps using the 91 Octane (as you know how crappy our 94 octane is here), as I feel it might be a safer base map to run that the stock Cobb Stage 2 OTS maps. My problem is, would there be a way to get this same map with the EGR and VTCS codes disabled? Thanks.

E-mail me and we can discuss.