Stratified S-OTS maps for the JBR Power Path Intakes

[Lex]

Glad to see people using and enjoying the S-OTS maps!

[JgamB]

Any chance we could see some 25%-30% E85 base maps? It certainly seems to be more prevalent and with summer heat incoming the KR from corn will sure be nice.

[Lex]

Originally Posted by JgamB Any chance we could see some 25%-30% E85 base maps? It certainly seems to be more prevalent and with summer heat incoming the KR from corn will sure be nice.

You mean LESS KR from corn .

You can safely put in 1-2 gallons of E85 per full tank with these maps to avoid KR and run a higher octane map if you're seeing KR.

However to push power further with E85 blends, the way to go is a custom tune since there are large variances from vehicle to vehicle and setup to setup.

[swerv0428]

Just got my AP and flashed the stage one 93 map. Running a jbr stage one intake. Have internals waiting to go in as well. What are the target numbers for afr's, etc.

[Lex]

Originally Posted by swerv0428 Just got my AP and flashed the stage one 93 map. Running a jbr stage one intake. Have internals waiting to go in as well. What are the target numbers for afr's, etc.

WOT AFRs are 11.7 tapering to 11 by redline

[LumberJack]

I've meant to comment sooner, but @Lex; do it again. Always providing the goods for us mod lovers!

[tc0308]

So there is a place by me that advertises 100 octane fuel. If i am noticing kr, would it be safe to try that? The closest e85 station is a lot further away. Im installing my racepipe tomorrow and then loading the s-ots stage two map tomorrow! Also i noticed that my afr after shifts can be in the 9s. If that dangerously rich? It tapers back into the 10 s. During a single gear pull they will be in the 11 s

[Stealth01]

Originally Posted by tc0308 So there is a place by me that advertises 100 octane fuel. If i am noticing kr, would it be safe to try that? The closest e85 station is a lot further away. Im installing my racepipe tomorrow and then loading the s-ots stage two map tomorrow! Also i noticed that my afr after shifts can be in the 9s. If that dangerously rich? It tapers back into the 10 s. During a single gear pull they will be in the 11 s

Not completely sure, but the AFRs in the 9s during shift might be due to turbulence....Lex would know better....

[Lex]

Originally Posted by tc0308 So there is a place by me that advertises 100 octane fuel. If i am noticing kr, would it be safe to try that? The closest e85 station is a lot further away. Im installing my racepipe tomorrow and then loading the s-ots stage two map tomorrow! Also i noticed that my afr after shifts can be in the 9s. If that dangerously rich? It tapers back into the 10 s. During a single gear pull they will be in the 11 s

If you are seeing a lot of KR you may need to step down to a 91 octane or even a stage1 since that targets less load/boost.

Using higher octane fuel is always helpful and mixing a little E85 (1-2 gallons) or race fuel should make the 93 maps usable even if using 91.

During shifting you will see AFRs drop with any map and wheelspin/SWAS will also affect these. Higher BAT/IATs will also pull the AFRs into the 10s and that's not a problem.

[zeroecco]

Put the 91 stage 2 S-OTS map on today, feels very strong. As stated by others before, the throttle feels better and the progression in the power is way smoother.

Mods:
Cobb AP (obviously)
CS test pipe
CS TIH+SRI
Silicon Boost tubes
Forged BPV v1
CS RMM
JBR SSK stage 2

Second gear is virtually useless now (tires spin at roll if you hit it), third can't hold either, fourth and your gone.

[Bananastand]

Quick question: I seem to not boost at all in 1st gear (AP showed -1 at its highest at WOT) even at WOT. I was just wondering if that was normal. Also I've read people running the Stage 2 with just the SRI/TIP and upgraded internals, do you think that's ok?

2nd gear limited to 7-8 lb and all the other gears are fine. FP 1800+ WOT, KR 0.5 at it's highest.

Edit: forgot to mention I have the JBR SRI/TIP and the Stage 1 OTS 93 with upgraded AT internals

[anodizedeeznutz]

Something is wrong. You should be seeing 16 +\- 2 lbs

[Bananastand]

Originally Posted by EvanSpeed3 Something is wrong. You should be seeing 16 +\- 2 lbs

Do you think I should uninstall and reinstall? Or do you think it's more of a hardware problem?

[anodizedeeznutz]

It's just weird that its only in the first two gears.

Ill let @Lex; share his thoughts considering its his map

[JgamB]

Seems obvious - but did you turn off traction control?

[Bananastand]

Originally Posted by JgamB Seems obvious - but did you turn off traction control?

I'm going to try that when I run some errands today.

[Lex]

Post up a log. Hard to diagnose anything without seeing some data.

[dooderek]

i have jamies ssp, what map should i run?

[MS6 Sanchez]

Originally Posted by Joe Isuzu i have jamies ssp, what map should i run?

Stage 14 1/5 + 198 oct

[Speed3_BigV]

I've been running this map for about 3 weeks and its wonderfull!

One thing that bothers me tho, I sometimes experience some hesitation at WOT during cornering, not an extreme corner but enough to push you to the side of your seat a bit when you take it.

In 2nd or 3rd, if I punch it or roll on the throttle in such a corner the boost kicks in but there's severe hesitation, as if im hitting the rev limiter and the car barely pulls forward, shifting to a higher gear solves the problem. There's no KR and nothing seems out of the ordinary appart from running very rich when it happens (9.0 AFR's with AP display)

Could it simply be the SWAS being gay?

I'm probly going to get flammed for this but I also added LC and FFS to the map using the tool found on Cobb's website, could adding LC/FFS to the map also cause this problem? I haven't tried the map without LC/FFS. The LC I can live without but I do like the FFS set at 6k and despite seeing some people say theres possible boost spikes using FFS, I don't see many of them. Boost does peak around 19 psi but its short lived and it does the same even if I don't use FFS.

Thanks for any input, Cheers!

[Lex]

Originally Posted by Speed3_BigV I've been running this map for about 3 weeks and its wonderfull! One thing that bothers me tho, I sometimes experience some hesitation at WOT during cornering, not an extreme corner but enough to push you to the side of your seat a bit when you take it. In 2nd or 3rd, if I punch it or roll on the throttle in such a corner the boost kicks in but there's severe hesitation, as if im hitting the rev limiter and the car barely pulls forward, shifting to a higher gear solves the problem. There's no KR and nothing seems out of the ordinary appart from running very rich when it happens (9.0 AFR's with AP display) Could it simply be the SWAS being gay? I'm probly going to get flammed for this but I also added LC and FFS to the map using the tool found on Cobb's website, could adding LC/FFS to the map also cause this problem? I haven't tried the map without LC/FFS. The LC I can live without but I do like the FFS set at 6k and despite seeing some people say theres possible boost spikes using FFS, I don't see many of them. Boost does peak around 19 psi but its short lived and it does the same even if I don't use FFS. Thanks for any input, Cheers!

The stuttering is like the result of SWAS unfortunately especially if it happens only in corners.

FFS and LC are fine but be aware that sometimes the car will have unpredictable AFRs in the next gear after FFS.

[iammike]

Originally Posted by Lex The stuttering is like the result of SWAS unfortunately especially if it happens only in corners. FFS and LC are fine but be aware that sometimes the car will have unpredictable AFRs in the next gear after FFS.

Has LC been known to cause any of these problems? I always hear about FFS.

[Mike@Stratified]

If you watch your AFRs during one of these corners where you get the hesitation and it goes into the 9s, that is SWAS.

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[Lex]

For those wanting to enable FFS/LC on our S-OTS maps you can do this using COBB's online utility here:

COBB Tuning - MAZDASPEED Accessport

[elroes]

I saw a couple of you guys ran the s-ots map with the Cobb sri so I thought I'd give it a try. Gotta say I immediately could tell the difference in driveability. Car just felt smoother. Also was WAY up on power. Vdyno showed a ~25hp increase. Unfortunately I also found lean afrs at WOT (12.2 or even higher) and consistent kr. Sadly went back to the Cobb ots. Oh well, would have been too good to be true haha. This just made me more determined to get a custom etune, most likely stratified :-)

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[himurax13]

Originally Posted by elroes I saw a couple of you guys ran the s-ots map with the Cobb sri so I thought I'd give it a try. Gotta say I immediately could tell the difference in driveability. Car just felt smoother. Also was WAY up on power. Vdyno showed a ~25hp increase. Unfortunately I also found lean afrs at WOT (12.2 or even higher) and consistent kr. Sadly went back to the Cobb ots. Oh well, would have been too good to be true haha. This just made me more determined to get a custom etune, most likely stratified :-) Sent from my Nexus 7 using Tapatalk HD

I also experienced the same thing with the Corksport Stage 2 SRI.:-(

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[theurgy]

Hey Lex,

I'm looking at getting a custom tune with you in the very near future. I know I've been saying this for a while now, but my final bits might finally be going in (got my downpipe finally going in this weekend).

I wanted to use your Stage 2 S-OTS maps using the 91 Octane (as you know how crappy our 94 octane is here), as I feel it might be a safer base map to run that the stock Cobb Stage 2 OTS maps.

My problem is, would there be a way to get this same map with the EGR and VTCS codes disabled?
Thanks.

[Lex]

Originally Posted by theurgy Hey Lex, I'm looking at getting a custom tune with you in the very near future. I know I've been saying this for a while now, but my final bits might finally be going in (got my downpipe finally going in this weekend). I wanted to use your Stage 2 S-OTS maps using the 91 Octane (as you know how crappy our 94 octane is here), as I feel it might be a safer base map to run that the stock Cobb Stage 2 OTS maps. My problem is, would there be a way to get this same map with the EGR and VTCS codes disabled? Thanks.

E-mail me and we can discuss.

[Speed3_BigV]

I tried the 93 octane stage 1 map tonight using 91 octane fuel (ohh I can feel the evil stares lol ) 91 is the highest I can get around here, there's 94 available but its a 1 hour drive to the closest station -__-

Car always ran perfectly with the 91 octane map, but I wanted to see if I could squeeze out a little bit more out of it using the 93 octane map. I suppose the major difference between the 2 is slightly more aggressive timing at the cost of knock?

So I went out and logged 2 pulls in 4th with the 91 octane map that was already flashed, then flashed the 93 map, drove around slowly for 15-20 mins and logged 3 pulls in 4th while monitoring live KR data.

To be honest, the logs show absolutely nothing wrong, the data is virtually identical, there's no knock whatsoever, it's as tho I'm still using the 91 octane map. But the car seems to be a little more responsive and looks like it's pulling slightly harder in the higher gears.

What power gains should I roughly expect between the 91/93 maps? I know each car is different, also fuel and location matter but a rough estimate?

Thanks!

[zeroecco]

What what are we to expect on the stage 2 91 octane OTS map? I know I asked this in a personal thread but wanted to ask it here as it could be important info for people looking over their logs

[chomorro]

I want to try out your OTS maps but when i click on the download link im getting taken to another web page with crazy characters all over it and not downloading anything.

What am i doing wrong LOL

Macbook pro using firefox and safari same results.

[Vandal]

For us Mac users right click then click on "Save Linked File As" to download.

I just swapped out my Cobb Stage 1 OTS for the S-OTS Stage 1 running 91 octane. What a noticeable difference, the smile on my face was as big as the one on my car. I need to run the log tomorrow but I am getting what sounds like some knocking at partial throttle in 1st and 2nd early in the RPM range. I'll do some more reading too and see what others have found.

Probably going to run this tune until I can get a catted downpipe, new TMIC and e-tune later this summer. Or just make the short trip to BC and have it done in person!

[chomorro]

Originally Posted by Vandal For us Mac users right click then click on "Save Linked File As" to download. I just swapped out my Cobb Stage 1 OTS for the S-OTS Stage 1 running 91 octane. What a noticeable difference, the smile on my face was as big as the one on my car. I need to run the log tomorrow but I am getting what sounds like some knocking at partial throttle in 1st and 2nd early in the RPM range. I'll do some more reading too and see what others have found. Probably going to run this tune until I can get a catted downpipe, new TMIC and e-tune later this summer. Or just make the short trip to BC and have it done in person!

Ahhhhhh i should have thought of that LOL. I will try it out tonight and flash the new map. I havent experienced any knock yet but i havent been stomping around town all day either. I do get slight backfires though at partial throttle just cruising occasionally, but i think thats normal for us ms3's with downpipes.

[Lex]

Originally Posted by Vandal For us Mac users right click then click on "Save Linked File As" to download. I just swapped out my Cobb Stage 1 OTS for the S-OTS Stage 1 running 91 octane. What a noticeable difference, the smile on my face was as big as the one on my car. I need to run the log tomorrow but I am getting what sounds like some knocking at partial throttle in 1st and 2nd early in the RPM range. I'll do some more reading too and see what others have found. Probably going to run this tune until I can get a catted downpipe, new TMIC and e-tune later this summer. Or just make the short trip to BC and have it done in person!

We would need about 2-3 hours to tune and I have a great area for this. Alternatively I can meet you in Washington, I go to Bellingham often. The knocking - is it registering as KR? Or is it something making noise in the engine bay?

Originally Posted by chomorro Ahhhhhh i should have thought of that LOL. I will try it out tonight and flash the new map. I havent experienced any knock yet but i havent been stomping around town all day either. I do get slight backfires though at partial throttle just cruising occasionally, but i think thats normal for us ms3's with downpipes.

Yes, right click, save as will do it! Try it out and I hope you enjoy it.

I am happy to see you guys really enjoying these S-OTS maps. They are baby versions of the custom tunes we offer.

Originally Posted by Speed3_BigV I tried the 93 octane stage 1 map tonight using 91 octane fuel (ohh I can feel the evil stares lol ) 91 is the highest I can get around here, there's 94 available but its a 1 hour drive to the closest station -__- Car always ran perfectly with the 91 octane map, but I wanted to see if I could squeeze out a little bit more out of it using the 93 octane map. I suppose the major difference between the 2 is slightly more aggressive timing at the cost of knock? So I went out and logged 2 pulls in 4th with the 91 octane map that was already flashed, then flashed the 93 map, drove around slowly for 15-20 mins and logged 3 pulls in 4th while monitoring live KR data. To be honest, the logs show absolutely nothing wrong, the data is virtually identical, there's no knock whatsoever, it's as tho I'm still using the 91 octane map. But the car seems to be a little more responsive and looks like it's pulling slightly harder in the higher gears. What power gains should I roughly expect between the 91/93 maps? I know each car is different, also fuel and location matter but a rough estimate? Thanks!

Each car is different and it also depends on what other modifications you have. The 91 and 93 maps differ in terms of timing mostly. If you are seeing 0 KR on a 93 S-OTS you will benefit a good amount from the next step which is the custom tune.

Originally Posted by zeroecco What what are we to expect on the stage 2 91 octane OTS map? I know I asked this in a personal thread but wanted to ask it here as it could be important info for people looking over their logs

The important parameters are:

- LTFTs should be no more than +/-10
- AFRs taper to around 11 by redline
- Boost will vary depending on your car's setup, altitude, temperature, etc.
- KR should be less than 2* under steady state WOT.

[Vandal]

Lex, I'll PM you later today about the in person tune. I haven't had the chance to run a log yet but in the 10 miles driving to work the audible noise seems to have gone away.

[happykat]

Lex,
quick question i am running the ots stage 2 on 91, mods are listed in my signature and quite frequently in wot i will hit 20-21 psi of boost. My question/concern is that is this normal am i at risk of going zoom zoom boom?

[Lex]

Originally Posted by happykat Lex, quick question i am running the ots stage 2 on 91, mods are listed in my signature and quite frequently in wot i will hit 20-21 psi of boost. My question/concern is that is this normal am i at risk of going zoom zoom boom?

Do you get 20psi at spool up for a little bit or does it hold that boost level? It's not a dangerous boost level and the maps are load based so boost levels will vary depending on several variables including the modifications on the car and ambient temperature.

Originally Posted by bhamitgeek Was actually pretty disappointed in the Strat maps personally. I thought they ran ok...till i dropped a regular OTS from the AP on and my numbers and power was much better with their maps. I tried first when I picked up my ap i put the st 1 map...93 oct on and it felt pretty good. I had one of my fellow AL Nator folks suggest I go ahead and put the Cobb OTS on so that I could go ahead and maf cal and get some numbers ready for my internals and test pipe. I did and felt noticeable difference in improvement. Same with the ST2 map. Anyhow.. every car reacts different I guess due to environment. to each his own.

You're absolutely correct in that every car will act differently. The S-OTS maps are meant to be more consistent in nature since there are quite a few controls in place for boost for example than with the COBB maps. So it's likely that you are seeing higher boost numbers with the COBB maps. A custom tune is the way to go for something fully optimized for your particular car and environment.

[happykat]

[QUOTE=Lex;2127760]Do you get 20psi at spool up for a little bit or does it hold that boost level? It's not a dangerous boost level and the maps are load based so boost levels will vary depending on several variables including the modifications on the car and ambient temperature.


It holds at boost level. Before I put my internals in I was running the stg 1 s-ots and pushing 15i-16ish psi, then internals went in so i flashed the stg 2 s-ots went up to 19-19.4 psi. On Saturday i got a cobb bpv installed that and noticed that my psi was around 21psi.

[Lex]

[quote=happykat;2128156]

Originally Posted by Lex Do you get 20psi at spool up for a little bit or does it hold that boost level? It's not a dangerous boost level and the maps are load based so boost levels will vary depending on several variables including the modifications on the car and ambient temperature. It holds at boost level. Before I put my internals in I was running the stg 1 s-ots and pushing 15i-16ish psi, then internals went in so i flashed the stg 2 s-ots went up to 19-19.4 psi. On Saturday i got a cobb bpv installed that and noticed that my psi was around 21psi.

This is just a case of adding more parts and them having an effect on the tune. The more parts you add such as the BPV for example, the more you affect the boost/load response of the car and at some point you will need to look at having the tune adjusted for these parts.

[happykat]

[quote=Lex;2128446]

Originally Posted by happykat This is just a case of adding more parts and them having an effect on the tune. The more parts you add such as the BPV for example, the more you affect the boost/load response of the car and at some point you will need to look at having the tune adjusted for these parts.

thanks for the insight lex. I figured it was a result to the addition of parts, but I wanted to make sure. A custom tune is in the works but I want to get an upgraded top mount before hand.