Stratified S-OTS maps for the JBR Power Path Intakes

[Lex]

We are proud to announce that we've teamed up with James Barone Racing to offer Stage1 and Stage2 Off the shelf (S-OTS) maps for the MazdaSpeed and Mazda MPS vehicles worldwide.

As a COBB Pro Tuner and with thousands of hours of tuning experience on the Mazda platform we are able to offer these maps that can be paired with JBR's top-quality Power Path Intakes to achieve excellent performance, driveability, and reliability from your vehicle.

If you're looking to unleash the full potential of your MazdaSpeed, we are of course happy to offer our Custom Tuning packages where we can tune your vehicle to achieve the most from your exact modifications, setup, and driving environment.

[Chief_Wiggum]

I just installed the JBR stage2 intake and flashed the stage1 S-OTS 93 octane map; wow. After I get my internals installed I'll flash the stage2 S-OTS map...which should hold me over for a short time until I get on your list for a full on custom tune(s)...(easy access to E-85). Thanks to you both for great products!

[Menace1]

I read the big thread!
Couldn't have been a better match.

Stratified = Experienced Soldier! James Baron Racing = Weapon Of Choice!

[JBR]

Originally Posted by Menace1 I read the big thread! Couldn't have been a better match. Stratified = Experienced Soldier! James Baron Racing = Weapon Of Choice!

Thank You!!

[Chief_Wiggum]

Finally got my HPFP internals installed and after verifying solid fuel pressure, flashed the S-OTS stage 2 93 oct map; great, great stuff! This will hold me over for a little while...maybe.

[shadow102]

Finally got my accessport and flashed in the stage 1 map yesterday and plan on going to the stage 2 map when my internals get here (autotech backorder fail). Anyway i like the option of being able to use the FFS and LC options with the Cobb maps is there any way to add this into the stratified maps as they are locked?

[Lex]

Originally Posted by shadow102 Finally got my accessport and flashed in the stage 1 map yesterday and plan on going to the stage 2 map when my internals get here (autotech backorder fail). Anyway i like the option of being able to use the FFS and LC options with the Cobb maps is there any way to add this into the stratified maps as they are locked?

Only way to have these maps work on anyone's car is to have them locked.

I will consider the FFS option BUT ... I am not a fan of it. I still see cars run lean in the next gear (randomly) when FFS is used and I don't like that. It's still a bug COBB hasn't addressed yet and it makes me a bit nervous having it in the S-OTS maps.

[L3THAL6]

Did some logs last night, this one was with 3 people in the car. I made everyone weigh themselves on a scale when we got back

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Originally Posted by shadow102 Finally got my accessport and flashed in the stage 1 map yesterday and plan on going to the stage 2 map when my internals get here (autotech backorder fail). Anyway i like the option of being able to use the FFS and LC options with the Cobb maps is there any way to add this into the stratified maps as they are locked?

I've used the Cobb Map Conversion Utility to add FFS and LC into my Stratified tune. Find it here: Map Conversion Utilities

Also, since I have an upgraded HPFP I am thinking about trying out the Stage 2 map this morning (:

[MPS_Fan]

FFS also leads to overboost in next gear

[shadow102]

ahh good to know wasnt aware of the issues with the FFS, kind of unfortunate as i like the feature.

[neganox]

I installed my stage2 jbr intake and flashed the Statified OTS stage1 map. I'm seeing 1700-1800+ HPFP and 14psi during WOT runs. Is this normal? I'm coming from stock everything with the stock stage1 cobb OTS. With that I was seeing around 1600-1650 HPFP readings and 17psi during WOT runs.

[Lex]

Originally Posted by neganox I installed my stage2 jbr intake and flashed the Statified OTS stage1 map. I'm seeing 1700-1800+ HPFP and 14psi during WOT runs. Is this normal? I'm coming from stock everything with the stock stage1 cobb OTS. With that I was seeing around 1600-1650 HPFP readings and 17psi during WOT runs.

The Stratified maps will vary boost to hit certain load targets. So in warmer weather you will see boost increase. This is perfectly normal and this is using the advanced load targeting strategy of the ECU where torque output is targeted versus just boost pressure (like in the current COBB maps).

Once you have an HPFP installed, try the stage2 maps.

[Dash08]

@Lex; Do the S-OTS maps only work with the JBR?

It would be awesome to be able to purchase the S-OTS maps as a substitute for the Cobb OTS maps.

This would work for new AP customers as well.

A lot of people are still running Cobb OTS maps. I think this would be a nice option.

[Lex]

Originally Posted by Dash08 @Lex; Do the S-OTS maps only work with the JBR? It would be awesome to be able to purchase the S-OTS maps as a substitute for the Cobb OTS maps. This would work for new AP customers as well. A lot of people are still running Cobb OTS maps. I think this would be a nice option.

The S-OTS maps are calibrated to work with the JBR intakes. They incorporate a lot of the design logic that goes into Stratified maps while ensuring that they are safe. Beyond these a custom tune is really the next step. Selling OTS maps will not work so well because each vehicle reacts differently and you are better off with a custom tune in the end if you're spending the money.

[SpeedNess]

I have an HKS intake and flashed a Stage 2 Stratified OTS and my LTFT are between 2.8 and -1.6. Went from a modified by me Cobb OTS to this map and I have to say the difference is AMAZING. I will suggest anyone with a Cobb OTS to give these a try and keep and eye on the LTFTs to see if you are good

[maddog20]

Alex,
I am using your stage 1 OTS with my JBR Stage 2 on a 06 MS6. How many miles do you suggest of driving before the trims settle and what should the min and max LT%'s should I expect.

Thanks!

[Lex]

Originally Posted by maddog20 Alex, I am using your stage 1 OTS with my JBR Stage 2 on a 06 MS6. How many miles do you suggest of driving before the trims settle and what should the min and max LT%'s should I expect. Thanks!

Trims will vary depending on your local fuel, weather, etc but generally they should be within +/-10%. The ECU will trigger a CEL if they go over 20%.

The trims will generally settle after 40 miles.

[iammike]

Originally Posted by SpeedNess I have an HKS intake and flashed a Stage 2 Stratified OTS and my LTFT are between 2.8 and -1.6. Went from a modified by me Cobb OTS to this map and I have to say the difference is AMAZING. I will suggest anyone with a Cobb OTS to give these a try and keep and eye on the LTFTs to see if you are good

I can't second this enough. My first impressions have been very good and a very clear improvement over the tweaked Cobb OTS Stage 2 v231 map I was running...and even more so over the untweaked Cobb that over-boosted like a bitch.

I'm saving the more detailed eval after I hopefully get a slot on the dyno at MNM this Sat.

[SpeedNess]

Originally Posted by iammike I can't second this enough. My first impressions have been very good and a very clear improvement over the tweaked Cobb OTS Stage 2 v231 map I was running...and even more so over the untweaked Cobb that over-boosted like a bitch. I'm saving the more detailed eval after I hopefully get a slot on the dyno at MNM this Sat.

Please report back we the numbers to see how you did. Also, are you going to dyno Cobb OTS and then Stratifies OTS for comparisons?, that will be awesome.

[iammike]

Originally Posted by SpeedNess Please report back we the numbers to see how you did. Also, are you going to dyno Cobb OTS and then Stratifies OTS for comparisons?, that will be awesome.

Can't dyno back to back because neither has personalized MAF curves. Both have to "learn" after being loaded because they aren't designed for a specific car.

[Lex]

Originally Posted by iammike Can't dyno back to back because neither has personalized MAF curves. Both have to "learn" after being loaded because they aren't designed for a specific car.

You certainly can dyno maps back to back. The learning happens at low throttle only - at WOT it doesn't matter.

Remember thought that the S-OTS maps are meant to be safe and fairly mild so that they can be used in a variety of climates and with varying fuel quality and parts installed.

[Lex]

Removing restrictions from the exhaust generally leads to higher boost that may overwhelm a stock HPFP. It is unlikely that just a test pipe will do this with a stage1 map but it's something to keep an eye on.

[iammike]

If you plan on doing anything beyond a couple of mods to your car, just do yourself and your engine a favor...upgrade your HPFP. Your wallet will thank you later when you don't ruin your ride.

[Tronix]

Purchased a Cobb AP this week and got it today. Installed the Stage1 S-OTS
93Octane and took the car out and did a data log while testing it out.

I'm assuming I need to get used to the boost since it seems like its dependent on pedal/throttle position? I dunno if I am sounding nuts but in stock form if i give 50%, boost would slowly build up but after mapping boost stops so it works different. I'm sure thats normal just wanted to throw that out there.

Also, what a difference. This is how the speed 3 SHOULD feel. Holy torque batman. I kept getting traction warnings in 2nd gear, I never got that before -

Great product. I was debating if I should ever try out the stage 1 cobb maps but from the looks of it, stay away.

[iammike]

Originally Posted by Tronix Purchased a Cobb AP this week and got it today. Installed the Stage1 S-OTS 93Octane and took the car out and did a data log while testing it out. I'm assuming I need to get used to the boost since it seems like its dependent on pedal/throttle position? I dunno if I am sounding nuts but in stock form if i give 50%, boost would slowly build up but after mapping boost stops so it works different. I'm sure thats normal just wanted to throw that out there. Also, what a difference. This is how the speed 3 SHOULD feel. Holy torque batman. I kept getting traction warnings in 2nd gear, I never got that before - Great product. I was debating if I should ever try out the stage 1 cobb maps but from the looks of it, stay away.

I've been much happier with the drivability of the S-OTS over the Cobb or the OEM maps. That difference in throttle feel is a huge benefit in my book. It's a lot easier for me to control how much power is being put down whereas the Cobb and OEM felt more like an on/off switch for a gas pedal.

[Lex]

Originally Posted by Tronix Purchased a Cobb AP this week and got it today. Installed the Stage1 S-OTS 93Octane and took the car out and did a data log while testing it out. I'm assuming I need to get used to the boost since it seems like its dependent on pedal/throttle position? I dunno if I am sounding nuts but in stock form if i give 50%, boost would slowly build up but after mapping boost stops so it works different. I'm sure thats normal just wanted to throw that out there. Also, what a difference. This is how the speed 3 SHOULD feel. Holy torque batman. I kept getting traction warnings in 2nd gear, I never got that before - Great product. I was debating if I should ever try out the stage 1 cobb maps but from the looks of it, stay away.

Thank you for the kind words. The throttle mapping is indeed different in the S-OTS maps than OEM or the COBB maps. It is a lot more linear so that boost can be better modulated using the throttle.

[Tronix]

Oh ok good to know, I thought I forgot how to drive for a second there... when boost stops I was like uhhhhhh but then I floor it and my face lit up like north korea being nuked

[Tronix]

here are datalogs from today. I'm a little concerned, should I try the 91 map to compare? Looking for a second pair of eyes. This is stage 1

Thanks

[iammike]

Originally Posted by Tronix here are datalogs from today. I'm a little concerned, should I try the 91 map to compare? Looking for a second pair of eyes. This is stage 1 Thanks

I'm not sure why your fuel pressure dropped in that range. It kind of dipped down then went back up over the course of 8 or so cells. Also, you should really be logging Knock Retard as well.

Disclaimer: I'm no pro by any stretch of the imagination.

[Lex]

Originally Posted by Tronix here are datalogs from today. I'm a little concerned, should I try the 91 map to compare? Looking for a second pair of eyes. This is stage 1 Thanks

You're seeing some slight pressure drops during spool but nothing too drastic. The 91 octane map differs in timing, not load, so you will see the same requested loads.

This is just telling you that if you are looking for more boost or want to add anything more in terms of flow to the car, you will need to upgrade the HPFP as it is on the edge.

[Tronix]

Originally Posted by iammike I'm not sure why your fuel pressure dropped in that range. It kind of dipped down then went back up over the course of 8 or so cells. Also, you should really be logging Knock Retard as well. Disclaimer: I'm no pro by any stretch of the imagination.

ya sorry, I striped some data out because the log was large. I attached the original.

Originally Posted by Lex You're seeing some slight pressure drops during spool but nothing too drastic. The 91 octane map differs in timing, not load, so you will see the same requested loads. This is just telling you that if you are looking for more boost or want to add anything more in terms of flow to the car, you will need to upgrade the HPFP as it is on the edge.

Ok that's good to know, that was my suspicion also just wanted to make sure. I appreciate you looking.

[Lex]

Originally Posted by Tronix here are datalogs from today. I'm a little concerned, should I try the 91 map to compare? Looking for a second pair of eyes. This is stage 1 Thanks

You're on the edge but ok. You have SWAS interacting there so your AFRs went very rich to 9.x and the demand on the fuel system was therefore very high but it was also unnecessarily rich.

[bbrownderville]

I just swapped to your 91 stage 1 and wow what a difference from Cobb's ots. Given I dont have a jbr intake, i still feel a huge difference with the butt dyno and love the different boost contol/throttle sensing. I will be a paying customer someday from this experience!

[Tronix]

So just an update:

Been driving around with stage 1 93 for a few weeks, very happy with it still. So i filled up today and calculated my mpg. I honestly thought it was gonna drop by alot because I have been flooring it all over the place.

24.6 mpg

I bet I can get 26 if I dont hammer on it all the time. I'm impressed. The stock tune must be really shitty then.

[Lex]

Very happy you like the tune and how the car drives! The fuel economy is icing on the cake

[Worbit]

Subbing....thanks Lex for making these OTS maps available. I plan on ditching my Cobb stage 1+ for your stage 2 later on today.

[himurax13]

I know this is a shot in the dark, but will you be offering maps for people who installed 3 BAR MAP sensors?

[Lex]

Originally Posted by himurax13 I know this is a shot in the dark, but will you be offering maps for people who installed 3 BAR MAP sensors?

Those kind of modifications fall into the custom tune category. Otherwise the permutations and number of maps to maintain becomes unmanageable pretty quickly.

[Speed3_BigV]

I recently bought a SURE SRI and TIP, so I went ahead and loaded up the Cobb stage 1 map for the SURE SRI/TIP intake.

It ran ok but I had alot of KR (between 1.0 and 2.5 about) in 1st gear wot pulls or something was acting up cutting power but it wasn't happening all the time, 2 thru 6 was perfectly fine, logs had great readings and all but for some reason it didn't like 1st gear.

So I decided to try the Stratified OTS stage 1 map. Even tho it's meant to run with the JBR intake, good god!! It's SO much better than the Cobb map for some reason, the 1st gear hesitation is completely gone, 0 KR in every gear, and it pulls ALOT harder and LTFT's are perfect!

Just throwing the word out that the Stratified OTS stage 1 map works perfectly with the SURE SRI/TIP combo. Definitely sticking with this map until I get a custom tune, nice job Lex!

[Andrewbox]

I've been running the OTS stage 2 map for a few weeks now and i fucking love it! Thanks lex for a quick FREE tune.