2010+ Mazdaspeed 3 performance air intake discussion

[MSMS3]

Originally Posted by v277480 did any of you guys with aftermarket intakes suffer power loss on part throttle driving? this what really concerns me

No. Why would you think so? Part throttle response is actually improved in my experience.

[v277480]

cause I drove a mazdaspeed3 with an intake and his off-boost/part throttle accelleration was horrible... car "felt" like it was 500lbs heavier if you know what i mean

[rfinkle2]

Originally Posted by v277480 cause I drove a mazdaspeed3 with an intake and his off-boost/part throttle accelleration was horrible... car "felt" like it was 500lbs heavier if you know what i mean

If the car is not tuned fo the intake, their is a chance that the car can lose both hp and torque in the lowest parts of the rev band.

If you have the chance, you can look @ the dyno charts for the Corksport intake, and you will see the loss of torque @ rpm's less than ~3,000.

http://www.corksport.com/corksport-p...daspeed-3.html

[MSMS3]

Originally Posted by v277480 cause I drove a mazdaspeed3 with an intake and his off-boost/part throttle accelleration was horrible... car "felt" like it was 500lbs heavier if you know what i mean

So you drive one car with who knows what else has been done to it, what other mods are on it and you attribute part throttle lagginess to the intake?

If the intake was a CAI and it lacked an air straightener, maybe. If the filter was dirty, certainly possible.

If his MAF sensor was dirty, that can cause a lot of problems.

There are many other reasons for part throttle misbehavior - boost leaks, improper installationm of any number of parts, running a defective or maladjusted BPV or BOV, especially if it is not running in full recirculation mode.

But, frankly, there is no scientific basis for any currently available intake from a reputable source to cause a MS3 to be doggy if it is properly installed and maintained.

You need to drive some more MS3's with aftermarket intakes. Something is wrong with that car and it ain't because it has an aftermarket intake.

[oh10speed3]

Is anybody running their intake without the mounting brackets?

I have a COBB SRI on my 2010 and I opted not to install the mounting brackets that attach near the battery box because I've read in other threads (cannot remember which ones) that due to the engine movement, it was causing them to break. I would rather not deal with that so I just skipped the brackets all together.

Could there be any negative effects of doing this?

[skawt01]

"-Butt dyno reads over 5000HP!!!!!!!!!!!!!11!!!!11!!1

I also put the free SU and Sure stickers where they belong, on the tank of my toilet. I duece 2x as fast and my toilet now has a super maelstrom effect!!"

Funny ass review. Glad the butt dyno has produced results on the fucken porcelain throne where you can really feel it!

[Kris Speed3 CWP]

Originally Posted by Nataphen Intakes are easy to remove and reinstall for dealer trips. If you are too lazy to do that, some dealerships will warranty a Mazdaspeed intake if you pay to have the dealership install it. Check with them if you're interested.

MazdaSpeed intakes suck!!! Made by AEM and the MAF diameters are off from the stock MAF housing and will throw out your fuel trims which will cause over fueling and increase fuel consumption decreasing oil viscosity! Stay away from AEM and MazdaSPeed unless you plan on using a Acessport for the right intake calibration.

go to this thread to see what a MazdaSpeed CAI will do to your oil, this is my oil analysis!
dealer installed CAI dealer removed CAI 100% refund no questions asked, this part sucks ass!!

2010 Oil Analysis

talk to CP-E and Corksport they will tell you same thing about over fueling issue with this intake!

[Kris Speed3 CWP]

Has anyone tried the Injen SP series intake system either CAI or SRI? this is there description of the product

Injen - : Performance Air Intake Systems - Performance Air Intake Systems, Exhaust Systems, Turbo Components, and Air Filters for Cars, Trucks, Motorcycles, ATV's, Boats, and more!

SP Intake Systems
These Intake Systems Feature the Patent Pending MR Technology Process for Optimal Gains and a Safe A/F Ratio. The SP series does not limit itself to just a Cold Air System or Short Ram System. The MR Technology process has its effects on both types. SP is The World's First Tuned Intake System.

The Part# is SP6062P for polished and SP6062BLK for black both are CAI kits
the retail is $346.50 us but can let you in on a secret to get it for $221 us which is wholesale price!

Would like to put a calibrated CAI on my car so no tune is necessary and the CP-E CAI is $329 from CPE or $312 from the RPM store. but for $221 and an oil analysis to ensure over fueling is not present it still works out cheaper!

any first hand info is greatly appreciated!

Tip go to www.amsoil.com click on injen on bottom of page, then click on gasoline applications and look for model SP6062P and add to cart. Then in the left menu click on preferred customers save and add the 6mth trial to cart, then view cart and you will see wholesale price for CAI. Bonus you can buy great oil cheap and see everything else on their website at preferred pricing!!

[Silver Ecstasy]

My buddy ran an injen cai and never had issues with his fuel trims. I am thinking about gettting the Injen sri myself. No air straighteners though.

[Itchy]

@ Kris Speed3 CWP,

Is there any reason why you are not considering the Cobb or Corksport intakes? Just wondering because many people seem to use them and haven't had too many problems.

[Kris Speed3 CWP]

The Cobb only makes a SRI Gen1 and I read on this forum it does throw a CEL for Gen2 but it is fine with the new Access port for Gen2 which means Gen2 must be tuned.

Corksport make a good SRI which is same for Gen1 and Gen2 and does not set and CEL's and is supported with Cobb access port.

CP-E Xcel is a very good CAI and the MAF housing is CNC'd so this would be a great intake with Cobb Access port support.

CP-E nano seems to have the most AP configurations!

I really like the CAI vs the SRI and so do the techs at CP-E as they said does not matter what inter-cooler you have it is harder to cool ingested hot air rather than maintain the ingested cold air. Just like a FMIC is better than TMIC but any TMIC over stock is a big improvement and at 1/4 the cost of FMIC you get gains without breaking the bank.

I am currently looking at CP-E Xcel or Injen CAI as Silver Ecstasy said no problem on his buddies car. was his ride Gen1 or Gen2?? if the Injen with MR technology is tuned like they say an air straightener would not be necessary.

[rfinkle2]

Your signature lists that you already have an intake, and what is this secret price you speak of?

[indianaryan]

Kris, I hate run on sentences. Please stop.

[bradboyd80]

Originally Posted by Kris Speed3 CWP I am currently looking at CP-E Xcel or Injen CAI as Silver Ecstasy said no problem on his buddies car. was his ride Gen1 or Gen2?? if the Injen with MR technology is tuned like they say an air straightener would not be necessary.

I was running the gen1 Injen CAI for about 5k miles without a hint of an issue also. Took it off due to claims it would screw up my fuel trims. Once I get some sort monitoring device, I'll reinstall it and do some datalogging to see for sure.

[Kris Speed3 CWP]

Originally Posted by bradboyd80 I was running the gen1 Injen CAI for about 5k miles without a hint of an issue also. Took it off due to claims it would screw up my fuel trims. Once I get some sort monitoring device, I'll reinstall it and do some datalogging to see for sure.

All you would need is an oil analysis without CAI to see what your fuel dilution is and then another one with the intake installed to see if it increases or stays the same. Thats how you will see if your fuel trims are affected by inaccurate MAF housing.

Just test oil at same interval, somewhere around 50%-75% of normal mileage requirement for accurate comparison.

Yes you can see your fuel trims through a data logging device but the oil analysis is full proof. Reason being MCI,(Mazda Canada inc.) sent 2 regional techs to run my car with testing equipment hooked up and found everything to be within the parameters of factory specs. Car was stationary in the dealers bay all they said was the CAI could be causing problems even though all electronics checked out!

[Silver Ecstasy]

Kris, my buddy was using the Injen CAI on a 1st Gen.

I still prefer the installation ease of the SRI. Messing with my Mazdaspeed CAI was a total pita, especially when it was time to clean.

Also, a MAJOR plus for the Injen SRI is the Amsoil Dryflow Filter!

[Kris Speed3 CWP]

Originally Posted by rfinkle2 Your signature lists that you already have an intake, and what is this secret price you speak of?

If you read post #207 this will explain everything, I have not got around to removing that from my tag as I plan on putting another intake which is compatible without AP on before nice weather comes.

Oh and if you read post #206 I added this

Tip go to www.amsoil.com click on injen on bottom of page, then click on gasoline applications and look for model SP6062P and add to cart. Then in the left menu click on preferred customers save and add the 6mth trial to cart, then view cart and you will see wholesale price for CAI. Bonus you can buy great oil cheap and see everything else on their website at preferred pricing!!

note you can only buy trial membership once.

[Kris Speed3 CWP]

Originally Posted by Silver Ecstasy Kris, my buddy was using the Injen CAI on a 1st Gen. I still prefer the installation ease of the SRI. Messing with my Mazdaspeed CAI was a total pita, especially when it was time to clean. Also, a MAJOR plus for the Injen SRI is the Amsoil Dryflow Filter!

I agree it is a pain to maintain the MazdaSpeed CAI especially with the Splash shield which requires access from underneath to replace or clean dry filter.

I do believe the CAI from Injen also comes with an Amsoil dry filter? got to check with distributer on Monday.

The Injen CAI should be easier to maintain as with no splash shield you just unplug MAF and loosen bolt to chassis and disconnect PCV line and clamp to TIP and pull pipe and filter straight up and out.

[Kris Speed3 CWP]

Originally Posted by bradboyd80 I was running the gen1 Injen CAI for about 5k miles without a hint of an issue also. Took it off due to claims it would screw up my fuel trims. Once I get some sort monitoring device, I'll reinstall it and do some datalogging to see for sure.

Would you be able to tell me if there are welds before and after the MAF housing in pictures I have seen you can barely tell cause it has been smoothed out and finished as one piece. I looked up one for my buddies Civi Si and the angle of the pic for the CAI shows the welds clear as day but finished as one piece. This would be a good sign that it has a accurate MAF housing.

[bradboyd80]

Originally Posted by Kris Speed3 CWP Would you be able to tell me if there are welds before and after the MAF housing in pictures I have seen you can barely tell cause it has been smoothed out and finished as one piece. I looked up one for my buddies Civi Si and the angle of the pic for the CAI shows the welds clear as day but finished as one piece. This would be a good sign that it has a accurate MAF housing.

You can see the welds all the way around the MAF housing on the intake, although its smoothed out rather well. I have the black CAI, so its a bit harder to see on mine.

[Kris Speed3 CWP]

Sweet thank-you

Think I now have it narrowed down to the Corksport FMIC with CAI through hood scoop, or the Injen CAI.

Since I budgeted for the Top mount from either Corksport or Cp-E and a CAI and an OCC, I believe my best bet would be the Corksport kit and I know they are good for their MAF housing calibrations.

Since it comes with a TIP I can sell my Cobb TIP to help with price gap, sell my Dashhawk for my future AP purchase, as well as Corksport boost tubes and my SU turbo smart BPV to get a dual-port turbosmart.

Keeping fingers crossed my oil analysis comes back normal this week in stock configuration, so I can play again!

[Slow*Jim]

Originally Posted by Kris Speed3 CWP Has anyone tried the Injen SP series intake system either CAI or SRI? this is there description of the product

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[MSMS3]

Originally Posted by Kris Speed3 CWP I agree it is a pain to maintain the MazdaSpeed CAI especially with the Splash shield which requires access from underneath to replace or clean dry filter. .

I realize this is a gen 2 thread and I'm a gen 1 owner. I also realize that the issue with the MSCAI on gen 2 is the maf housing difference. So apologies in advance.

But, guys, come on. Unless there is something radically different about the gen 2's left front fender well, all you gotta do is cut the wheel hard to the side, undo about 3 little plastic threaded snaps and peel that fender liner back to get to the filter. About -- 3 minutes top. You are making this way, way, way too hard. Splash shield is nothing when you access the filter from that direction. It's about as hard as taking the plastic cover off of the top mounted intercooler, and way easier than getting to your spark plugs to check gap, which you should be doing at least as often as you clean the air filter.

[bradboyd80]

Yeah, I agree. It takes me all of maybe 3 minutes to completely remove my CAI filter. Not hard at all.

[adlpb]

So the Cobb SRI claims +11hp and the K&N Typhoon claims +24hp. I know there's differences in the DYNO they were all tested in. How much performance difference can there actually be between two items which look almost identical in every way? The K&N is more than double the price of the Cobb.

[BLK_MS3]

Originally Posted by adlpb So the Cobb SRI claims +11hp and the K&N Typhoon claims +24hp. I know there's differences in the DYNO they were all tested in. How much performance difference can there actually be between two items which look almost identical in every way? The K&N is more than double the price of the Cobb.

Honestly they are all about the same. Not gonna get +24 hp if you ask me. They all add about 10 or so ponies. But the sound they make alone is worth it.

[adlpb]

Originally Posted by BLK MS3 Honestly they are all about the same. Not gonna get +24 hp if you ask me. They all add about 10 or so ponies. But the sound they make alone is worth it.

That's what I figured. I've done my research and I'm getting the Cobb SRI this Saturday from a local dealer.

[Port90]

so would the typhon be worth getting and do I need more work done on my car just to get the power? I wondered if dealers would void the warranty.

[wolly6973]

yes, yes, & yes

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[BLK_MS3]

Originally Posted by wolly6973 yes, yes, & yes DONATE

Not all dealers are anti-intakes. Mine is cool with an SRI.

[MSMS3]

If Gen 2 responds anything like Gen 1 did to free flow intake, then gains will be considerably more than just 10 whp. Both Car and Driver and Road and Track did before and after dyno pulls on a Gen 1 with stock air box and aftermarket CAI and got 24 bhp gain, 28 pounds more torque, 0-60 and quarter mile times both dropped by .2 seconds. The upgrade was positively transformational. Those of us who have done this on Gen 1 cars can attest to the same numbers.

I know no reason Gen 2 would not similarly respond. I doubt that the gains would vary much with any well designed intake, either CAI or SRI. Just do it. And smile.

[Silver Ecstasy]

Originally Posted by MSMS3 If Gen 2 responds anything like Gen 1 did to free flow intake, then gains will be considerably more than just 10 whp. Both Car and Driver and Road and Track did before and after dyno pulls on a Gen 1 with stock air box and aftermarket CAI and got 24 bhp gain, 28 pounds more torque, 0-60 and quarter mile times both dropped by .2 seconds. The upgrade was positively transformational. Those of us who have done this on Gen 1 cars can attest to the same numbers. I know no reason Gen 2 would not similarly respond. I doubt that the gains would vary much with any well designed intake, either CAI or SRI. Just do it. And smile.

It's possible the Gen 2 will respond less only because the Gen 2 intake is slightly redesigned.

Gen 1 - The stock airbox received air from an open snorkle at the bottom. In the bumper, a large plastic fin would direct air from the lower bumper opening to the driver's side where it would deflect upwards from the fin, and to the snorkle. However, no solid connections were made, so it was merely an "attempt" to direct air towards the air box.

Gen 2 - The stock airbox has a larger MAF housing, and this time, with a goofy-ass grin, air is directed right into a snorkle which receives air from the smiley's upper lip and is sent through hard parts into the airbox.

If I remember correctly, an article stated that this revision resulted in a 22% increase in cold air efficiency, stock vs stock. If only i'd bookmarked that damn article..

STILL, I feel the intake is a major improvement on the MAZDASPEED platform.

*EDIT - adding resources, still didn't find the one with the 22% claim*

www.topspeed.com http://www.topspeed.com/cars/mazda/2...3-ar83451.html With no need to increase power, the development team focused on harnessing that power more effectively. Engine output itself is more consistent, thanks to the hood-mounted intercooler scoop that not only improves intercooler airflow over the grille-mounted intercooler duct of last-year&s car, but also frees up grille space for a fresh-air duct to feed the engine&s intake. Breathing cooler air improves efficiency, boosting both real-world power and fuel economy.

[danxk3nnz]

Originally Posted by Silver Ecstasy It's possible the Gen 2 will respond less only because the Gen 2 intake is slightly redesigned. Gen 1 - The stock airbox received air from an open snorkle at the bottom. In the bumper, a large plastic fin would direct air from the lower bumper opening to the driver's side where it would deflect upwards from the fin, and to the snorkle. However, no solid connections were made, so it was merely an "attempt" to direct air towards the air box. Gen 2 - The stock airbox has a larger MAF housing, and this time, with a goofy-ass grin, air is directed right into a snorkle which receives air from the smiley's upper lip and is sent through hard parts into the airbox. If I remember correctly, an article stated that this revision resulted in a 22% increase in cold air efficiency, stock vs stock. If only i'd bookmarked that damn article.. STILL, I feel the intake is a major improvement on the MAZDASPEED platform. *EDIT - adding resources, still didn't find the one with the 22% claim*

It seems to me that with a 22% increase in intake efficiency from gen1 to gen2 there would be some sort of increase in power output.

[rfinkle2]

Originally Posted by danxk3nnz It seems to me that with a 22% increase in intake efficiency from gen1 to gen2 there would be some sort of increase in power output.

I totally agree as long as all other factors are equivalent...i.e. timing, boost, fuel etc.

[MSMS3]

I think the efficiency addresses average driving conditions rather that the chassis dyno ratings used by Mazda for advertizing purposes. If the Gen 2 can channel cold air to the intake better than the Gen 1, then it ought to be a little less doggy on hot days, even though they would both dyno the same. But, a good CAI solves that problem for either Gen 1 or Gen 2, IMHO.

[Silver Ecstasy]

The improvement from Gen1 airbox to Gen2 airbox might not create more hp, but the increase in efficiency by oem design might make an intake less explosive of a change as opposed to how insane the improvement was on the Gen1 cars.

[Dizzy Turbo]

ok so i cut a hole in a pipe, put maf in and siliconed shut and strapped a filter on it. No cels and its been 2 days and has been cold. would buying a legit sri be worth it or do you think the custom one i made will do the job? I was using a longer pipe for a cai but i had no way of shielding it from water. Obviously quality will not be as good as one from a vendor, just asking if gains from custom vs vendors part is worth a couple hundred bucks.

[JS + MS3]

you did what????

do you think brands just make a hole in a pipe and sell it???? is that how companies develop parts for our cars????

its a fucking intake

just get one and call it a fucking day

[Dizzy Turbo]

in no way did that answer anything, I realize this is not the right way to do it, but with payments and gas there is little money for upgrades, my method was free. I asked a question, not to be ridiculed.

[wolly6973]

That is a very bad idea. Our car is very sensitive to how much air it is getting. The size of the MAF housing plays a critical role in this. It is also a good idea to have an air straightener pre-MAF.
Just bc there is no CEL does NOT mean everything is OK.
Do you have anything to monitor/log with?