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Death-From-A-Mile 10-11-2008 01:53 PM

Custom Water to Air Inercooler complete...PICS INSIDE
 
THIS KIT IS UP FOR SALE DUE TO A BLOWN MOTOR!


Well here it is! Its late and I am exhuasted but I will at least post some pics for your viewing pleasure. Initial impression, it hits fast and hard. I rolled onto third last night and broke my tires loose. I am extremely pleased with the fit and finish of this kit. Boost temps were within 20 degrees of ambient temps at cruising speeds. BTW total cost 775 it would be lower but having piping made in Washington is semi expensive. Any questions feel free to ask.

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MazdaMan13 10-11-2008 01:59 PM

great job i've been looking into doing this

MS6_Auburn_Fan 10-11-2008 02:00 PM

Looks awesome. That's definitely probably the shortest piping routing I have seen yet. without placing the intercooler on top that is.

Haltech 10-11-2008 07:28 PM

Wow, very impressive man! Nice job!

Death-From-A-Mile 10-11-2008 08:11 PM

Thanks guys, if there is enough interest I will make this kit for the market.

Haltech 10-11-2008 08:20 PM

Whats your boost temp at WOT? I think if you hook up the killer chiller in line with this thing, you will have a serious option.

Death-From-A-Mile 10-11-2008 08:31 PM

I havent been able to do some serious logs with it yet. But yesterday with temps of 60 degrees I was around 77 at cruising speeds....that dipped into the 60s under boost. The Killer Chiller is hot....just expensive....we will see come winter what I do. BTW my car is now spiking 22psi as opposed to spiking 19 with the TXS kit. Lets see how these new 103s work.

Haltech 10-11-2008 08:34 PM

Ive got one on the truck and i picked roughly 26 hp and 61 pounds of torque with it. Expensive yes, but def a good option for an air-to-water setup.

Death-From-A-Mile 10-11-2008 08:40 PM

Hhhhhmmmmm sounds tempting. I will look more into this....

freebird_78 10-11-2008 08:51 PM

Holy sheepshit that's cool. And for $775, did I read that right? When people are spending $1100 for FMIC? That is without a doubt the cleanest, nicest and probably most effective IC setup. What I like most about it is that it doesn't at all look "homebrewed" and hacked together.

I would actually be into this if it were made a kit.

boosted3 10-11-2008 10:25 PM

Great job.Looks really clean.

BlackMS3 10-12-2008 12:53 AM

Awesome Job, where in WA are you? I'd like to swing by and check this out in person!

BTW, u move your Batt to the trunk?

Death-From-A-Mile 10-12-2008 05:31 AM

Im down by Ft Lewis during the week and up in Kirkland on the weekends. Yes the battery is in the trunk. PM me when you want to meet. Where are you located?

BlackMS3 10-12-2008 05:54 AM

I live over on the Kitsap Pennisula, in Port Orchard, but I work in Redmond and drive the commute up I-5/405/520 daily....

You in the Army? I was stationed at Fort Lewis back in 1998-1999.

whoosh@Realtune 10-12-2008 06:53 AM

first great work
its the cleanest ic install by far including tmic and fmic

the only question I have is the cfm rating of the core and pipe size you used

Death-From-A-Mile 10-12-2008 07:28 AM

First of all thanks to everyone for the compliments.

Whoosh I sent you a PM about specs. Those comments coming from you mean a great deal! Thanks!

STL_Cruiser 10-12-2008 08:53 AM

That is pretty hot. I have been thinking of doing something similar. Could you send me the specs?

mdogg 10-12-2008 09:04 AM

very nice looking setup.... clean and professional! can't wait to see some real DH numbers on this, but the change in boost pressure is a good sign for freeing up some restrictions for sure.

Jarods7920 10-12-2008 11:09 AM

wow man that looks awsome....if you could PM some details of where you got your stuff from i would be intersted in this. Not for my speed cause it wont be track legal but for my race car i would love to do water to air. The only thing wrong with it i see is just the whole moving the battery to the back thing. You have to add a cut off switch to make it track legal which blows.

ATE BALLER 10-12-2008 11:42 PM

Nice job man! I officially welcome you to the working L/A club. Enjoy the long waits in traffic that you don't have to worry about heat-soak at all, and can keep your BATs 100% consistant relative to ambient.

Death-From-A-Mile 10-13-2008 12:21 AM

ATE BALLER what sort of temps are you seeing on a 65 degree day?

ATE BALLER 10-13-2008 12:44 AM

Haven't looked in a while, but when it was in the 80s-90s, I was seeing 5 below - 15 above ambient. The core I have though, is the same dimentions as the stocker, but with the cooling path going from side-side instead of top-bottom. The guy said it's good for 1150cfm @ .25psi pressure drop, which is way more than I'll ever need. (maybe :) )

Godspeed 10-13-2008 12:56 AM

Looks extremely clean, great job! I'm also interested on hearing some specs. :)

Hypnotized 10-13-2008 11:17 AM

WOW, excellent job with this. Im so confused with what I want to do now after seeing this.

Averia 10-13-2008 12:30 PM

If this will work on a speed6 I would be in.

gsrtype1 10-13-2008 12:31 PM

that is damm cool bro!

BlackMS3 10-13-2008 12:33 PM

Where did you move the ECU??

Death-From-A-Mile 10-13-2008 12:35 PM

The ECU is in the stock location. I made a bracket for the ECU and combined that to make the brackt for the intercooler.

bnoon 10-13-2008 05:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MS6_Auburn_Fan (Post 89812)
Looks awesome. That's definitely probably the shortest piping routing I have seen yet. without placing the intercooler on top that is.

Sorry, mine is shorter routing distance with an 18" top pipe and 3" cool side pipe for 21" total piping while his lower pipe looks to be as long or longer by itself, and my cooler is in front right next to the throttle body.

IDRVSLO, I like the idea and professional execution of it, but I don't like the battery relocate, longer piping, core placement or extra cost of needing custom bent pipes. Are you having any problems with core movement with the solid mount to chassis when the engine end of the piping moves? Or do you have motor mount mods done?

bnoon 10-13-2008 05:58 PM

I just realized that my comments could be seen as bashing what IDRVSLO has done, that is not the case. I'm just bouncing ideas off of him as he's really the only other one on here pushing to get air/water custom kits installed (ATE BALLER aside since he didn't put his together as a kit himself).

ATE BALLER 10-13-2008 10:04 PM

My piping's the shortest since it's stock endtanks and a bored out cold pipe :nana:

And yeah, I didn't make this kit myself. A company out of Phoenix called Metal Man Fab makes it and wants $1800 for it, lol. I got my hands on the only one they ever actually made for about $700 IIRC.

If you guys are mounting the tank to the chassis somewhere, I would deffinately do something with the motor mounts. I'm not too sure about the 3, but the 6 had a shit-ton of engine movement before I got all the mounts on there. With 95 duro all around though, it doesn't budge :)

Death-From-A-Mile 10-13-2008 10:58 PM

No worries Bnoon its all good you were just stating the facts.

In regards to the mounting. The brackets are all made out of alluminum an I devised a way to allow for the flex of the motor rotating backwards so no worries there. However I do have a solid PTP race mount that I am running along with a TRZ poly. I tested out the TRZ and have no issues. BTW I am going to start pricing stuff out tomorrow. Bare with me on this because my days are long at work....the Army can take up a great deal of my day. Thanks everyone for the comments!

racebitz 10-14-2008 05:56 AM

Hey guys, greetings from Australia. Great job on the W2A setup, great to see people thinking outside of the box. I am a big fan of W2A coolers and have use them on some previous rides of mine with great succes.

I am real keen to make a setup for my 3 real soon and its great to be able to see other setups, will def help when the time comes for me.

Sorry to hi jack the thread, buy ATE BALLER, is your setup basically the OEM top mount enclosed and made into a W2A setup?

IDRVSLO, you said you brought yours as a kit for another model of car and modded to suit, i have found your actual cooler but have not been able to find a kit with the heat exchanger and pump etc.., your gear looks of good quality, the radiator is huuuge, and the pump is in fact the same as i used on my last setup (purchased 2nd hand tho..)

Any help would be appreciated guys.

Jason

ATE BALLER 10-14-2008 07:18 AM

Mine uses the stock end tanks, with a core that flows the air from back to front and the water from side to side.

bnoon 10-14-2008 07:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by racebitz (Post 91122)
Hey guys, greetings from Australia. Great job on the W2A setup, great to see people thinking outside of the box. I am a big fan of W2A coolers and have use them on some previous rides of mine with great succes.

I am real keen to make a setup for my 3 real soon and its great to be able to see other setups, will def help when the time comes for me.

Sorry to hi jack the thread, buy ATE BALLER, is your setup basically the OEM top mount enclosed and made into a W2A setup?

IDRVSLO, you said you brought yours as a kit for another model of car and modded to suit, i have found your actual cooler but have not been able to find a kit with the heat exchanger and pump etc.., your gear looks of good quality, the radiator is huuuge, and the pump is in fact the same as i used on my last setup (purchased 2nd hand tho..)

Any help would be appreciated guys.

Jason

CXRacing has good parts, as does Frozenboost.com, both have enough parts to put together your own kit. As far as kits for the ms3, I believe IDRVSLO and I are both working on bringing specific kits to market as bolt-ins.

My heat exchanger core is 24" x 8" x 2.5" and can be found on Ebay.

For the pump, I used a Ford/Bosch part found on Cobra/Lightnings and you can get those on Ebay for about $80-$90 or so. I believe IDRVSLO used the same one.

racebitz 10-14-2008 07:43 AM

Thanks for the reply's guys, i like forums that actually provides info and not just full of keyboard warriors with an opinion on everything lol.

Yeah i have found those kits etc.. on ebay now after a bit of searching. How do you find the quality of the coolers? I am a bit worried about them as the casting doesnt look real good, and the welds are a bit here n there. But im comming from using PWR and Spearco cores prev... Im only after a basic setup to do the job and fit in a small space in the bay. Are you guys running fans on your radiators? How much height clearance do we have for the radiator, i found one that is 24x14"x1", would it fit height wise under the main bar in front? Im interested in that one as it fits a 10" thermo fan. I am also going to set up a ice box, prob in the boot as thats what we done on the other cars. Have you had any issues bleeding the systems?

Sorry for all the Q'S but its hard to talk to other people that havnt actually worked on this type of setup before.

Thanks again.

bnoon 10-14-2008 08:01 AM

If I buy from Ebay, I try to buy from someone that actually has their own REAL LIFE storefront as well. CX Racing is an actual store/warehouse and they do OEM projects/clients as well. CXRacing If you don't buy from them, at least try to find someone that has a real life place somewhere and make sure they have a good warranty and back up their products.

As for bleeding the system, I see IDRVSLO has the same/similar solution as me with a remote radiator fill cap inline with the cooler hoses. Mount it as the highest point in the system and turn the pump on and watch the bubbles escape, then top it off as it's running. No problems at all.

stretch 10-17-2008 10:08 AM

Awesome. I love WTA intercoolers, especially to replace a top-mount OE setup.

racebitz 10-18-2008 03:19 AM

bnoon, i am prob goin to get the cxracing one the same as yours, just pissed with the exchange rate..... Im just playing around with a few different intakes atm then will get the cooler and make up another intake and box to suit. I cant wait to get this first service out of the way with Mazda then it all go with the mods!! Im hangin!!!!

Haltech 10-18-2008 04:22 AM

Below are more options for a heat exchanger... these are 3 row, 1 inch tubes with very low pressure drop.

Absolute Radiator Intercooler Store

Should be no problems fitting either in the MS3.


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