All Out MzR Engine build

[xPEPEx]

Originally Posted by SPEED6 KILLAH Precision Turbo 6265

Cool. I am working on a similar build. I am going with a pte6262. Its taking me more time than I expected, since I am still waiting for some parts to arrive. I should be getting my sleeves from Darton some time next week. I order them back in April, but I am still waiting for the fkers to ship them out.

[SPEED6 KILLAH]

Originally Posted by Tomas Interesting concept with the dual injector. I don't see very precise fueling being that it's before the TB but I hope it works if you go that way.

I have seen this set on turbo motor..Well the way i am trying to get it to work is under high boost only....

[superskaterxes]

Originally Posted by AdrenalineRush In for disappointment. Didn't Cageyvet say he'd get to 600 and got to 487 then gave up? And that dude has shit tons of money. In all seriousness good luck! I hope all these builds will show the industry that we need better fueling supplies cause like it's been bashed over the head a million times that's gonna be a huge issue

im gona pretend you diddent say that.


cagey was a one hit wonder who had alot of money but no knowledge. the people with the higest HP around here certainly arent rich afaik...

[SPEED6 KILLAH]

Originally Posted by xPEPEx Cool. I am working on a similar build. I am going with a pte6262. Its taking me more time than I expected, since I am still waiting for some parts to arrive. I should be getting my sleeves from Darton some time next week. I order them back in April, but I am still waiting for the fkers to ship them out.

That cool.. I actually have another motor that am going to send out to them and get sleeve too it does take time up to 4 to 5 week to get done.... This one going to be 40 over and 9:5.1.. I know that "ERL PERFORMANCE" make sleeve but you have to go through CP-E to get it done because they have some contract with them and CP-E want a lot of money for it like $2000 + SHIPPING just for sleeves. Darton is like $687 and they give you life time warranty on them and one year on the install it come out to $1287+ shipping..

[Tokay444]

And darton has been around a fuck of a lot longer than cp-e.

[zpele]

And CP-E can suck ma balls.

[pinkcheese]

This looks promising.

going to end up looking something like this when you are done? =P

[Manny]

or this?

[MS6 Sanchez]

Originally Posted by pinkcheese This looks promising. going to end up looking something like this when you are done? =P

Who does that belong too?? :/

[doubleflusher]

That's Conso's car.

It's been in development for 2 years.

[starscream]

Originally Posted by Brian MP5T I used an SDS EIC-2 (Extra Injector Controller) For YEARS... It was totally reliable and quite effective. You should have good results. Have you thought about an actual EMS Standalone? I have had a Haltech PS1000 running my engine for three summers now. it was a lot of work to figure out everything from scratch for my particular car, but is it delivers FLAWLESS control over Ignition and Fuel. You Need Full Ignition control and tight control over fuel to push the type of numbers you plan to do. Also, the closer you put the extra injectors, the less likely you will have a lean condition. It is quite a long distance that the extra fuel will have to travel in that manifold, to actually make it to the valves.

AFAIK Theres no standalone ECU that can run Direct Injection. I think there is Motec unit that can, butttt at like 4grand just for that...I dont think thats gonna happen.

I thought haltech was working on a direct injection ecu, but its not out yet.

Thats one of the issues we have, we dont have a true standalone. Some will argue that the AP is enough, I personally dont think so, as the stock ECU cant drive extra injectors like a standalone can.

[i8urgti]

i cant wait to get a ride in this when its done, i want to be there for the 130 mph traps

[xPEPEx]

Originally Posted by SPEED6 KILLAH That cool.. I actually have another motor that am going to send out to them and get sleeve too it does take time up to 4 to 5 week to get done.... This one going to be 40 over and 9:5.1.. I know that "ERL PERFORMANCE" make sleeve but you have to go through CP-E to get it done because they have some contract with them and CP-E want a lot of money for it like $2000 + SHIPPING just for sleeves. Darton is like $687 and they give you life time warranty on them and one year on the install it come out to $1287+ shipping..

Heck yeah!! I am going .060 ove on mine. I also have an spare block and cyl head. I will be sending the block to the machine shop as soon as I get the sleeves. The cyl. head and cams are already done. I will be selling my stock block and cylinder head as soon as I get the new stuff installed. Everything is going new on my build the only thing I got left after my build is the transmission and drive shafts. I will not mess with them until they start acting up. The turbo, intercooler w/piping, intake/exhaust manifold will be custom made to include inlet pipe and intake with a 3.5 mah housing. I have everything paid already just waiting for the sleeves to arrive and I will be back in bussines. I will not do a write up, but I will post pictures as soon as I start putting it together. What meth kit did you go with? I am going with the DO stage I and the cpe profuel controller, but I will be tunning with cobb. I already had cpe so I will keep it.

[pinkcheese]

Originally Posted by xPEPEx Heck yeah!! I am going .060 ove on mine. I also have an spare block and cyl head. I will be sending the block to the machine shop as soon as I get the sleeves. The cyl. head and cams are already done. I will be selling my stock block and cylinder head as soon as I get the new stuff installed. Everything is going new on my build the only thing I got left after my build is the transmission and drive shafts. I will not mess with them until they start acting up. The turbo, intercooler w/piping, intake/exhaust manifold will be custom made to include inlet pipe and intake with a 3.5 mah housing. I have everything paid already just waiting for the sleeves to arrive and I will be back in bussines. I will not do a write up, but I will post pictures as soon as I start putting it together. What meth kit did you go with? I am going with the DO stage I and the cpe profuel controller, but I will be tunning with cobb. I already had cpe so I will keep it.

You shouldn't have to worry about the transmission or the driveshafts. Those are the one thing on these cars that is bullet proof. As long as they are taken care of then there is no reason you cannot get 700hp/700tq out of them reliably. There are several racing teams as well as private cars that are pushing upper 600's out of them.

[Chimmike]

Probably a good idea to use the port additional injector for fueling, you can change injector sizes easily that way based on need, but are you going to tap into the pre-hpfp line to feed the additional injectors, and then are you going to upgrade the in-tank pump?

Looks sick!

[SPEED6 KILLAH]

Originally Posted by starscream AFAIK Theres no standalone ECU that can run Direct Injection. I think there is Motec unit that can, butttt at like 4grand just for that...I dont think thats gonna happen. I thought haltech was working on a direct injection ecu, but its not out yet. Thats one of the issues we have, we dont have a true standalone. Some will argue that the AP is enough, I personally dont think so, as the stock ECU cant drive extra injectors like a standalone can.

You can u you aem standlone for the mazdaspeed 6 I was look in to it just have to found the one that is compatible for drive by wire and wire it up with Patch/Extension Harnesses ... remeber the mazdaspeed 6 injector driver module is not build in to the pcm unlike the 3 and cx-7

Originally Posted by manny or this?

looks good but does it run lol....

[Chimmike]

that was a pic of conso's car, no, didn't run as far as I know. He sold it a while back, don't think anyone knows what's up with it.

[JMEngineer]

How much was the comptech head?.. I want one.

[jwilkins88]

Originally Posted by superskaterxes im gona pretend you diddent say that. cagey was a one hit wonder who had alot of money but no knowledge. the people with the higest HP around here certainly arent rich afaik...

This

AdrenalineRush doesn't know what the hell he's talking about. I'm really interested to see how the additional injectors work. I still think that port injection in the manifold is the way to go on these cars, but the other option is interesting as well

That's what I'm planning to do on mine after the nitrous goes on... I still need to find the controller that I'm going to be using, but I'll definitely be interested to see how this goes.

Best of luck man!

[SPEED6 KILLAH]

Originally Posted by JMEngineer How much was the comptech head?.. I want one.

the head comptech cost about $2700

[Alpha]

Originally Posted by Tokay444 And darton has been around a fuck of a lot longer than cp-e.

Darton sleeves, while great, are only as good as your machinist IME.

ERL is superior IMHO. The funny thing about it is that CP-E has nothing to do with the blocks they're selling, which is a good thing. lol

[jwilkins88]

Originally Posted by Alpha Darton sleeves, while great, are only as good as your machinist IME. ERL is superior IMHO. The funny thing about it is that CP-E has nothing to do with the blocks they're selling, which is a good thing. lol

Nothing to do with them except for setting the cost

[Manny]

Originally Posted by chimmike that was a pic of conso's car, no, didn't run as far as I know. He sold it a while back, don't think anyone knows what's up with it.

it did run, there was a video of his car idling and driving off...it's somewhere on the forum.

[doubleflusher]

That's all it did.

It was very far from done.

[SPEED6 KILLAH]

Originally Posted by xPEPEx Heck yeah!! I am going .060 ove on mine. I also have an spare block and cyl head. I will be sending the block to the machine shop as soon as I get the sleeves. The cyl. head and cams are already done. I will be selling my stock block and cylinder head as soon as I get the new stuff installed. Everything is going new on my build the only thing I got left after my build is the transmission and drive shafts. I will not mess with them until they start acting up. The turbo, intercooler w/piping, intake/exhaust manifold will be custom made to include inlet pipe and intake with a 3.5 mah housing. I have everything paid already just waiting for the sleeves to arrive and I will be back in bussines. I will not do a write up, but I will post pictures as soon as I start putting it together. What meth kit did you go with? I am going with the DO stage I and the cpe profuel controller, but I will be tunning with cobb. I already had cpe so I will keep it.

That good any head work going to be done...I am not sure if i am going to be running a meth kit because I am going to be running race fuel only on high boost with the second set of injector on the intake manifold.
I have found the ones that i am going to be using just have to get it weld it on the manifold..

[Navy_Mech2]

how big of an injector are you gonna run for the secondaries?

[ganque]

Originally Posted by SPEED6 KILLAH That good any head work going to be done...I am not sure if i am going to be running a meth kit because I am going to be running race fuel only on high boost with the second set of injector on the intake manifold. I have found the ones that i am going to be using just have to get it weld it on the manifold..

Wouldn't be dangerous to have that extra injector located in the manifold?
I have a friend that did that on a VW Jetta and the intake manifold literally exploded in pieces!

[Tokay444]

Can we ban @rebo0t yet?

[I Love Brownies]

yeah all this faggot keeps doing is this shit. ban his ass

[SPEED6 KILLAH]

Originally Posted by Navy_Mech2 how big of an injector are you gonna run for the secondaries?

400cc

[SPEED6 KILLAH]

Originally Posted by ganque Wouldn't be dangerous to have that extra injector located in the manifold? I have a friend that did that on a VW Jetta and the intake manifold literally exploded in pieces!

He must of did something wrong.. This is a direct injection system that I have..

[jordan4g63]

Originally Posted by manny

car owner: I think the blue wire has a short
tech: Holy fawk!

[Navy_Mech2]

^ lol

[JMEngineer]

Originally Posted by ganque Wouldn't be dangerous to have that extra injector located in the manifold? I have a friend that did that on a VW Jetta and the intake manifold literally exploded in pieces!

You just need something like this on the manifold:


The spring is strong enough to hold the plate down under boost pressure but if the gas in the manifold ignites the valve opens so you don't blow your manifold to pieces.

With many cars you should never need this and it's just an extra safety thing... If you run a Haltech ECU, all spark plugs are fired when you power up the ECU so if any of the intake valves are open you can get a nasty backfire just from the residual fuel from standard port injection - I've seen manifolds blown apart just from that.

[dougefresh_]

Very nice! I had no clue comptech sold stuff for the speed... I had some of their stuff on my acura. Do you have an approximate time frame for the build? Best of luck.

[qtrmile beast]

This is an interesting build i have been following it to see where it goes!! Good luck!!

[SPEED6 KILLAH]

Originally Posted by dougefresh_ Very nice! I had no clue comptech sold stuff for the speed... I had some of their stuff on my acura. Do you have an approximate time frame for the build? Best of luck.

Thanks.. I had no clue either until I contacted tripoint and they told me
To contact Comptech for motor and cylinder head work. My time frame to getting it done should be by the end of september or beginning of October ...

[RhoadBlock]

Subbed.


Tapatalk stole $2.99 from my build fund.

[ganque]

Any updates on this?

[JMEngineer]

Originally Posted by SPEED6 KILLAH the head comptech cost about $2700

... did you have to supply a head on top of that or does that include a core charge?

and will you still be using stock cams?

Originally Posted by SPEED6 KILLAH My time frame to getting it done should be by the end of september or beginning of October ...

I'll be on my honeymoon for the first half of October so I'll be looking forward to some results when I get back!