All Out MzR Engine build

[conso]

anyone hav a clutch and flywheel they want to giv me cause iv been waiting bout a month for mine now, figured i post and say that im still alive, car is still a go but this is the last piece i need to finish this thing but on a better note i did buy some 15x9s for the miata WIN

[SPEED6 KILLAH]

Originally Posted by JMEngineer ... did you have to supply a head on top of that or does that include a core charge? and will you still be using stock cams? you have to supply your head take about 4 to 5 weeks to get done and you can use the stock cams. I will be using custom cams I'll be on my honeymoon for the first half of October so I'll be looking forward to some results when I get back!

Its it should be done I just have to get my girl's baby shower out the way first lol..

[SPEED6 KILLAH]

okay i just got the motor put together just waiting on a few things.... I am currently working on the fuel system problem now.. I figured it out and I just recevied my additional injector controller that I will be using.. It has two independent maps can control up to four inJectors. Map A can drive two low or high impedance injectors. Map B can drive two high impedance injectors. I will be having it working with the map sensor which is 3 1/2 bars. The way it will work will be in two different ways, one on high boost and one on low boost. Currently looking for the high impedance injectors and I'm about to send out the intake manifold. Here are some pix of the controller .. I am currently looking for people who are interested in helping me tune it.

[superskaterxes]

@djuosnteisn

lol

your using an AP right?

Originally Posted by conso anyone hav a clutch and flywheel they want to giv me cause iv been waiting bout a month for mine now, figured i post and say that im still alive, car is still a go but this is the last piece i need to finish this thing but on a better note i did buy some 15x9s for the miata WIN

HES ALIVE!!!!

[SPEED6 KILLAH]

[QUOTE=superskaterxes;968260]@djuosnteisn

lol

your using an AP right?

Yeah..

[superskaterxes]

ok just making sure you werent headed for fail before u even started......

[SPEED6 KILLAH]

Originally Posted by superskaterxes ok just making sure you werent headed for fail before u even started......

Yeah I know what you mean..

[jracer]

Originally Posted by conso anyone hav a clutch and flywheel they want to giv me cause iv been waiting bout a month for mine now, figured i post and say that im still alive, car is still a go but this is the last piece i need to finish this thing but on a better note i did buy some 15x9s for the miata WIN

not to side track OP's thread.. but hows the speed3 ? conso ?

[djuosnteisn]

Looks promising. Love the weld on injector holders, i've been looking at some of those too. They should work for what your going for. What kind of mandrel are you going to use to feed the inj's?

I think i'm gonna rig up an actual fuel rail on my setup. Don't think it'll be tooooo complicated.

[Fatguy729]

This thread is so much win...

[SPEED6 KILLAH]

Originally Posted by djuosnteisn Looks promising. Love the weld on injector holders, i've been looking at some of those too. They should work for what your going for. What kind of mandrel are you going to use to feed the inj's? I think i'm gonna rig up an actual fuel rail on my setup. Don't think it'll be tooooo complicated.

Thanks man. That good if you go with it. Not to complicated its the cost of getting everthing togther.. Well snice I decided to go with the port injection system at the top of the intake manifold have to go back to the drawing board. For how i am going to run the fuel off of the high pressure or run a sparate fuel tank.. I have to see what is going to be more efficiency and try to keep the cost down...

[qtrmile beast]

Originally Posted by SPEED6 KILLAH okay i just got the motor put together just waiting on a few things.... I am currently working on the fuel system problem now.. I figured it out and I just recevied my additional injector controller that I will be using.. It has two independent maps can control up to four inJectors. Map A can drive two low or high impedance injectors. Map B can drive two high impedance injectors. I will be having it working with the map sensor which is 3 1/2 bars. The way it will work will be in two different ways, one on high boost and one on low boost. Currently looking for the high impedance injectors and I'm about to send out the intake manifold. Here are some pix of the controller .. I am currently looking for people who are interested in helping me tune it.

if i may ask what system is this that you are using?

[SPEED6 KILLAH]

Originally Posted by qtrmile beast if i may ask what system is this that you are using?

split second..

[jwilkins88]

I hate when people clog up a good thread with stupid fucking posts with no value other than to subscribe to the thread...

Go to thread tools and subscribe the right way. I don't know about anyone else, but I'd appreciate it if a mod would delete all the "subbed" posts.

Keep this shit clean

[superskaterxes]

Originally Posted by jwilkins88 I hate when people clog up a good thread with stupid fucking posts with no value other than to subscribe to the thread... Go to thread tools and subscribe the right way. I don't know about anyone else, but I'd appreciate it if a mod would delete all the "subbed" posts. Keep this shit clean

done!

[SPEED6 KILLAH]

Here is the intake manifold that is almost completed. It has the port injectors on it the fuel rail that i am going to use...

[pinkcheese]

Use some 3/8th quick disconnect fittings and hook up to the factory feed line from the intank fuel pump, Id suggest running a return style system, with an inline pump otherwise youll find out very quickly how week the factory pump is without some additional help.

You could always modify the factory fuel basket for a bigger fuel pump, but that is a pain in the ass to keep the stock fuel level indicator and bigger pump. Best to just keep everything outside the tank. That and the stock regulator isn't equipt to run more than 50-60PSI so you have a set fuel pressure and when you go into boost this fuel pressure will drop anything more than 15-25psi of boost and you could start to see eratic fuel spray patterns and loss of atomization of the fuel. You need some form of rising rate fuel pressure regulator.

[Fatguy729]

MOAR POWAH AND CLEAN INTAKE VALVES FTMFW!

[SPEED6 KILLAH]

stock regulator isn't equipt to run more than 50-60PSI so you have a set fuel pressure and when you go into boost this fuel pressure will drop anything more than 15-25psi of boost and you could start to see eratic fuel spray patterns and loss of atomization of the fuel.





will i am definitely upgrade in the fuel pump and the regulator is equipt to run more then 50 -60 psi ... stock 60—71...

[superskaterxes]

whats the rail from? the injectors line up pretty good. how r you going to mount the rail? or is that not needed

[SPEED6 KILLAH]

Originally Posted by superskaterxes whats the rail from? the injectors line up pretty good. how r you going to mount the rail? or is that not needed

The rail is from the regular 4 clyinder port injection mazda 6 .... He is going to weld a bracket on the manifold.. .

[djuosnteisn]

Looks sweet man. Good job!

[pinkcheese]

You should reconsider that fuel rail. If you plan to run high boost the rail isn't equipt to handle all that pressure. I had one bubble out and another which created a small leak after bubbling out with about 100 fuel PSI or so. The rails are made of stainless. But the material is very thin, Best option for something going to be pushing quite a bit of pressure it to get one of those universal rails and make one out of that to ensure proper safety.

That and the quick disconnect fittings for that rail are prone to leaking/breaking the design was never meant to handle all that pressure. Trust me I would know, hit 150psi of fuel one day on a road coarse and the line burst off during the back sweeper. Was able to maintain idle fuel pressure so I had to coast into the pit. Was not pleased.

[SPEED6 KILLAH]

Originally Posted by pinkcheese You should reconsider that fuel rail. If you plan to run high boost the rail isn't equipt to handle all that pressure. I had one bubble out and another which created a small leak after bubbling out with about 100 fuel PSI or so. The rails are made of stainless. But the material is very thin, Best option for something going to be pushing quite a bit of pressure it to get one of those universal rails and make one out of that to ensure proper safety. That and the quick disconnect fittings for that rail are prone to leaking/breaking the design was never meant to handle all that pressure. Trust me I would know, hit 150psi of fuel one day on a road coarse and the line burst off during the back sweeper. Was able to maintain idle fuel pressure so I had to coast into the pit. Was not pleased.

Well sounds very interesting. I'm basically trying to run probably like between 90 to 100 psi's nothing over that.. I seen a couple of ppl who ran about 150 psi with fuel rail with no problems. It sounds like the bubble situation as caused your problem but I understand what you mean and I will take it under consideration but like I said before, I've seen ppl ran these fuel rails with no problem.

[pinkcheese]

Originally Posted by SPEED6 KILLAH Well sounds very interesting. I'm basically trying to run probably like between 90 to 100 psi's nothing over that.. I seen a couple of ppl who ran about 150 psi with fuel rail with no problems. It sounds like the bubble situation as caused your problem but I understand what you mean and I will take it under consideration but like I said before, I've seen ppl ran these fuel rails with no problem.

Aeromotive fittings will be your only salvation in keeping things safe then. The russell performance ones or similar designs while cheaper will not hold that type of pressure. The aeromotive fittings twice the price, have a higher pressure range from my expierence as they incorperate a diffferent design, and stronger plastic locking clip.

[superskaterxes]

wtf would u want to run 100psi on a PI rail for? isent like 75ish considered pretty aggressive?

[pinkcheese]

You run higher pressure to increase injector size.

[bmylez]

Originally Posted by superskaterxes wtf would u want to run 100psi on a PI rail for? isent like 75ish considered pretty aggressive?

Obviously this is a totally different setup, however, I know that on a typical PI car, FP at idle is about 43.5psi (at least on a Focus) and most guys running a return fuel setup would command a 1 psi increase in FP with every 1psi increase in boost. So someone running 30psi would still only need maybe 75psi. This was on injectors as large as 80 lbs/min, which would be more than enough as a secondary fuel system, since that setup can support 500whp by itself.

[superskaterxes]

Originally Posted by bmylez Obviously this is a totally different setup, however, I know that on a typical PI car, FP at idle is about 43.5psi (at least on a Focus) and most guys running a return fuel setup would command a 1 psi increase in FP with every 1psi increase in boost. So someone running 30psi would still only need maybe 75psi. This was on injectors as large as 80 lbs/min, which would be more than enough as a secondary fuel system, since that setup can support 500whp by itself.

this is exactly what i was thinking in my head lol

[Dano]

or go with and EVO rail. There are only like 50 different options out there and they are already for boosted applications.

IIRC the injector spacing is about the same as our IM. I know you already have things welded up and ready to go but this could be a plan B if things don't work out.

[SPEED6 KILLAH]

Originally Posted by Dano2010 or go with and EVO rail. There are only like 50 different options out there and they are already for boosted applications. IIRC the injector spacing is about the same as our IM. I know you already have things welded up and ready to go but this could be a plan B if things don't work out.

Yeah I know.. I was looking into one of them before I decided to use the rail I have now to keep cost down..

[qtrmile beast]

you can use a fuel rail off the for probe, 626 turbo and mx6 turbo.. i can get one if you need one i just have to measure the length of it to make sure it is long enough.

[SPEED6 KILLAH]

Originally Posted by qtrmile beast you can use a fuel rail off the for probe, 626 turbo and mx6 turbo.. i can get one if you need one i just have to measure the length of it to make sure it is long enough.

Thanks I'll let you know.. I am just wait on couple thing before I start put it together ..

[jonlax]

Originally Posted by SPEED6 KILLAH Let me start of by saying it took me time and research... CUSTOM DARTON DRY SLEEVE WITH OUT NO FLANGE... Hold up well over 30 psi.. APR MAIN STUD APR HEAD STUD CP PISTON 8:5.1 & 20 OVER CARRILLO FORGED CONNECTING RODS CODING CRANK BEARING, ROD BEARING FROM "CALICO COATINGS" FULLY BUILT CYLINDER HEAD FROM "COMPTECH RACING" PORT & POLISH INTAKE/EXHAUST SIDE UPGRANDED FERREA INTAKE VALVES AND CUSTOM FERREA EXHAUST VALVES M-6 VALVE GUIDE COSWORTH RACE VALVE SPRING ... PORT AND POLISH INTAKE MANIFOLD..

I was wondering your opinion of the coatings calico did? In 2004 i had them, threw rotorsports do a full coating of my 1991 RX7 build i did. I though the thing was nuke proof which it turned out to be untill i left for the army. While i was gone i asked my mother to start the car once a week. Well long story short she let my brother do it and he though it was a good idea to red line it. Now noted i did have a 10k redline with my set up. The engine lasted for a full year of that but shortly after i returned home for leave it blew under low boost at 4k partial throttle. Strong shit if you ask me!

Anyway what coatings did you get done?

[SPEED6 KILLAH]

Originally Posted by jonlax I was wondering your opinion of the coatings calico did? In 2004 i had them, threw rotorsports do a full coating of my 1991 RX7 build i did. I though the thing was nuke proof which it turned out to be untill i left for the army. While i was gone i asked my mother to start the car once a week. Well long story short she let my brother do it and he though it was a good idea to red line it. Now noted i did have a 10k redline with my set up. The engine lasted for a full year of that but shortly after i returned home for leave it blew under low boost at 4k partial throttle. Strong shit if you ask me! Anyway what coatings did you get done?

CT-1 for the engine bearing
CT-3 psiton skirts

[SPEED6 KILLAH]

Got everthing put together just waiting on the exhaust manifold from @steedspeed and the turbo that should be in tomorrow. Here are some update pic...

[Brian MP5T]

Awesome, I love these types of threads...

[djuosnteisn]

You sure the hood will shut?

[jwilkins88]

Originally Posted by djuosnteisn You sure the hood will shut?

So you might have to cut a strip out of the hood... Big fucking deal

[SPEED6 KILLAH]

Originally Posted by djuosnteisn You sure the hood will shut?

It will close...